Are the IRA Heroes?

[Ikania]

I must ask, though- why? It's not like the people in the north want it. They're quite content being British.

They aren't Irish they are descended from the ukster plantations.

Yes, but that was centuries ago. I certainly wouldn't support a Neo-Aztec Empire made up of minority indigenous groups, would you? The Ulster Protestants are here to stay, and it's best to accept that than try to wipe them out. That right there, is not a noble cause, and nothing can justify the end or the means- mass murder resulting in extinction of an ethnicity.

[Benian Republic]

They aren't Irish they are descended from the ukster plantations.

Yes, but that was centuries ago. I certainly wouldn't support a Neo-Aztec Empire made up of minority indigenous groups, would you? The Ulster Protestants are here to stay, and it's best to accept that than try to wipe them out. That right there, is not a noble cause, and nothing can justify the end or the means- mass murder resulting in extinction of an ethnicity.

The ends justify the mean my friend, although I would never want mass murder to happen. They still could be forcibly removed instead of murdered.

[Ikania]

Yes, but that was centuries ago. I certainly wouldn't support a Neo-Aztec Empire made up of minority indigenous groups, would you? The Ulster Protestants are here to stay, and it's best to accept that than try to wipe them out. That right there, is not a noble cause, and nothing can justify the end or the means- mass murder resulting in extinction of an ethnicity.

The ends justify the mean my friend, although I would never want mass murder to happen. They still could be forcibly removed instead of murdered.

The ends certainly don't justify the means, and why the hell would you forcibly remove them? They've lived there for centuries, they're as good as natives now. It's trampling upon THEIR rights when you claim to fight for the rights of Catholics- the minority, by the way. You're falling to an extremely low level, that is blatant racism. This form of Celtic Nationalism has no basis in common sense.

[Ardoki]

The ends justify the mean my friend, although I would never want mass murder to happen. They still could be forcibly removed instead of murdered.

The ends certainly don't justify the means, and why the hell would you forcibly remove them? They've lived there for centuries, they're as good as natives now. It's trampling upon THEIR rights when you claim to fight for the rights of Catholics- the minority, by the way. You're falling to an extremely low level, that is blatant racism. This form of Celtic Nationalism has no basis in common sense.

They are invaders.

Would you support the right of the Nazis to occupy Europe? No, you probably wouldn't.

EDIT: Yes, the ends to justify the means. As long as a net benefit is achieved.

[Benian Republic]

The ends justify the mean my friend, although I would never want mass murder to happen. They still could be forcibly removed instead of murdered.

The ends certainly don't justify the means, and why the hell would you forcibly remove them? They've lived there for centuries, they're as good as natives now. It's trampling upon THEIR rights when you claim to fight for the rights of Catholics- the minority, by the way. You're falling to an extremely low level, that is blatant racism. This form of Celtic Nationalism has no basis in common sense.

so if we were to remove them in a hundred years or more it would no longer matter that we did?
And not just the Catholics I support the rights of the nationalists since there are Protestant and atheist nationalists. It isn't racism since they aren't a race.

[The Mid East Federation]

The IRA are terrorists just like ISIS/Taliban/Hamas. So no not Heroes, generally people who support them do not have the best of education. To be real, Ireland hasn't been a very well state, I mean its on the same train as Greece, Spain, and Italy. Its policies and government as well. They would be well off under the crown to provide the much needed services and better government they need in all reality.

[Ikania]

The ends certainly don't justify the means, and why the hell would you forcibly remove them? They've lived there for centuries, they're as good as natives now. It's trampling upon THEIR rights when you claim to fight for the rights of Catholics- the minority, by the way. You're falling to an extremely low level, that is blatant racism. This form of Celtic Nationalism has no basis in common sense.

They are invaders.

Would you support the right of the Nazis to occupy Europe? No, you probably wouldn't.

EDIT: Yes, the ends to justify the means. As long as a net benefit is achieved.

Nazi is not a culture, it's not an ethnicity or a religion. The Nazis occupied Europe for less than five years. Ulster Protestants have been there for a very, very long time. They've already become fully integrated with the Catholic Irish, aside from the religious and accent divide.

The ends certainly don't justify the means, and why the hell would you forcibly remove them? They've lived there for centuries, they're as good as natives now. It's trampling upon THEIR rights when you claim to fight for the rights of Catholics- the minority, by the way. You're falling to an extremely low level, that is blatant racism. This form of Celtic Nationalism has no basis in common sense.

so if we were to remove them in a hundred years or more it would no longer matter that we did?
And not just the Catholics I support the rights of the nationalists since there are Protestant and atheist nationalists. It isn't racism since they aren't a race.

Huh? I don't understand your first point.

You have to realize that those people are in the minority. You can advocate minority rights, but it's sheer folly to fight for the minority having control over the majority.

[Benian Republic]

The IRA are terrorists just like ISIS/Taliban/Hamas. So no not Heroes, generally people who support them do not have the best of education. To be real, Ireland hasn't been a very well state, I mean its on the same train as Greece, Spain, and Italy. Its policies and government as well. They would be well off under the crown to provide the much needed services and better government they need in all reality.

Might I ask what country you are from? And both Hamas and the IRA are fighting for both national reclamation and national liberation. And Britain would be best off non existent.

[Benian Republic]

Ikandia I'm merely saying that since you seem to belive that despicable things can be forgotten after hundreds of years why can't the nationalist force them out and be forgiven in a couple of centuries?

[Ardoki]

The IRA are terrorists just like ISIS/Taliban/Hamas. So no not Heroes, generally people who support them do not have the best of education. To be real, Ireland hasn't been a very well state, I mean its on the same train as Greece, Spain, and Italy. Its policies and government as well. They would be well off under the crown to provide the much needed services and better government they need in all reality.

Don't lie.

GDP per capita (nominal) of the Republic of Ireland = $52,256
GDP per capita (nominal) of Northern Ireland = $25,859

Ireland's GDP per capita is twice that of the north.

[Ardoki]

They are invaders.

Would you support the right of the Nazis to occupy Europe? No, you probably wouldn't.

EDIT: Yes, the ends to justify the means. As long as a net benefit is achieved.

Nazi is not a culture, it's not an ethnicity or a religion. The Nazis occupied Europe for less than five years. Ulster Protestants have been there for a very, very long time. They've already become fully integrated with the Catholic Irish, aside from the religious and accent divide.

Some of the Unionists hate Ireland and Irish people. Just like how the Nazis hated Jews.

They can have their hateful views in another country.

[The Mid East Federation]

The IRA are terrorists just like ISIS/Taliban/Hamas. So no not Heroes, generally people who support them do not have the best of education. To be real, Ireland hasn't been a very well state, I mean its on the same train as Greece, Spain, and Italy. Its policies and government as well. They would be well off under the crown to provide the much needed services and better government they need in all reality.

Might I ask what country you are from? And both Hamas and the IRA are fighting for both national reclamation and national liberation. And Britain would be best off non existent.

Understanding from your sig, I would have a hard time with you, but Ill keep it civil. I'm from Czech Republic but I live in America now, with citizenship in Israel.

Britain and English culture shape this world, and are all over the globe, from years of being as powerful as they where and still are. I know you guys have been debating about how Ireland will eventually win, but my belief is that they will fail soon, and indulge their large economic failures and collapse as a state. The EU (and by EU I mean Germany, France and UK) cant bail out Spain, Italy, and Ireland all together they will put more priority on nations that are more relevant, thus excluding Ireland.

[The Mid East Federation]

The IRA are terrorists just like ISIS/Taliban/Hamas. So no not Heroes, generally people who support them do not have the best of education. To be real, Ireland hasn't been a very well state, I mean its on the same train as Greece, Spain, and Italy. Its policies and government as well. They would be well off under the crown to provide the much needed services and better government they need in all reality.

Don't lie.

GDP per capita (nominal) of the Republic of Ireland = $52,256
GDP per capita (nominal) of Northern Ireland = $25,859

Ireland's GDP per capita is twice that of the north.

No, you GDP (Edit: Per Capita) will remain very good until a point in time where it will spike so far down. I am putting source on your 100%+ national debt that your little country cannot get rid of anytime soon, or at all in a scenario.

[Ardoki]

Don't lie.

GDP per capita (nominal) of the Republic of Ireland = $52,256
GDP per capita (nominal) of Northern Ireland = $25,859

Ireland's GDP per capita is twice that of the north.

No, you GDP will remain very good until a point in time where it will spike so far down. I am putting source on your 100%+ national debt that your little country cannot get rid of anytime soon, or at all in a scenario.

I'm sorry, but I am not a gross domestic product. You must have mistaken me with something else.

[Marcurix]

Yes, but that was centuries ago. I certainly wouldn't support a Neo-Aztec Empire made up of minority indigenous groups, would you? The Ulster Protestants are here to stay, and it's best to accept that than try to wipe them out. That right there, is not a noble cause, and nothing can justify the end or the means- mass murder resulting in extinction of an ethnicity.

The ends justify the mean my friend, although I would never want mass murder to happen. They still could be forcibly removed instead of murdered.

Illegal, which is unsurprising that you'd call for such.

Ikandia I'm merely saying that since you seem to belive that despicable things can be forgotten after hundreds of years why can't the nationalist force them out and be forgiven in a couple of centuries?

Because that would be illegal today and cause a massive amount of destruction.

Gesh, this is text book blind nationalism.

The ends certainly don't justify the means, and why the hell would you forcibly remove them? They've lived there for centuries, they're as good as natives now. It's trampling upon THEIR rights when you claim to fight for the rights of Catholics- the minority, by the way. You're falling to an extremely low level, that is blatant racism. This form of Celtic Nationalism has no basis in common sense.

They are invaders.

Would you support the right of the Nazis to occupy Europe? No, you probably wouldn't.

EDIT: Yes, the ends to justify the means. As long as a net benefit is achieved.

Better hope you don't live in the Americas.

-100 for Godwin's law.

[Benian Republic]

Might I ask what country you are from? And both Hamas and the IRA are fighting for both national reclamation and national liberation. And Britain would be best off non existent.

Understanding from your sig, I would have a hard time with you, but Ill keep it civil. I'm from Czech Republic but I live in America now, with citizenship in Israel.

Britain and English culture shape this world, and are all over the globe, from years of being as powerful as they where and still are. I know you guys have been debating about how Ireland will eventually win, but my belief is that they will fail soon, and indulge their large economic failures and collapse as a state. The EU (and by EU I mean Germany, France and UK) cant bail out Spain, Italy, and Ireland all together they will put more priority on nations that are more relevant, thus excluding Ireland.

So you yourself feel for the ulster occupiers because you yourself occupy someone else's land?

And that was because they were a vile people with an instatiable hunger for loot.

[The Mid East Federation]

No, you GDP will remain very good until a point in time where it will spike so far down. I am putting source on your 100%+ national debt that your little country cannot get rid of anytime soon, or at all in a scenario.

I'm sorry, but I am not a gross domestic product. You must have mistaken me with something else.

Lmao, good joke dude. I like it a lot, should put it in your meme folder.

[Ikania]

Nazi is not a culture, it's not an ethnicity or a religion. The Nazis occupied Europe for less than five years. Ulster Protestants have been there for a very, very long time. They've already become fully integrated with the Catholic Irish, aside from the religious and accent divide.

Some of the Unionists hate Ireland and Irish people. Just like how the Nazis hated Jews.

They can have their hateful views in another country.

Yeah, like the UK. Where they live.

The IRA are terrorists just like ISIS/Taliban/Hamas. So no not Heroes, generally people who support them do not have the best of education. To be real, Ireland hasn't been a very well state, I mean its on the same train as Greece, Spain, and Italy. Its policies and government as well. They would be well off under the crown to provide the much needed services and better government they need in all reality.

Don't lie.

GDP per capita (nominal) of the Republic of Ireland = $52,256
GDP per capita (nominal) of Northern Ireland = $25,859

Ireland's GDP per capita is twice that of the north.

Possibly because independent Ireland is five times bigger than Northern Ireland? If you divide Ireland so that each part is equal to the size of the North (which means dividing that GDP), you get around $13,000. Wonderful economy you've got there.

[Alyakia]

Some of the Unionists hate Ireland and Irish people. Just like how the Nazis hated Jews.

They can have their hateful views in another country.

Yeah, like the UK. Where they live.

Don't lie.

GDP per capita (nominal) of the Republic of Ireland = $52,256
GDP per capita (nominal) of Northern Ireland = $25,859

Ireland's GDP per capita is twice that of the north.

Possibly because independent Ireland is five times bigger than Northern Ireland? If you divide Ireland so that each part is equal to the size of the North (which means dividing that GDP), you get around $13,000. Wonderful economy you've got there.

do you know what per capita means serious question

[Alyakia]

the united states has a GDP per capita of $53,041

[The Mid East Federation]

Understanding from your sig, I would have a hard time with you, but Ill keep it civil. I'm from Czech Republic but I live in America now, with citizenship in Israel.

Britain and English culture shape this world, and are all over the globe, from years of being as powerful as they where and still are. I know you guys have been debating about how Ireland will eventually win, but my belief is that they will fail soon, and indulge their large economic failures and collapse as a state. The EU (and by EU I mean Germany, France and UK) cant bail out Spain, Italy, and Ireland all together they will put more priority on nations that are more relevant, thus excluding Ireland.

So you yourself feel for the ulster occupiers because you yourself occupy someone else's land?

And that was because they were a vile people with an instatiable hunger for loot.

No I think I disliked Ireland as a concept before I started my Zionist attitude. Are you sure you don't want the best borders for your people? Nahh, just teezing, but really.

[Ikania]

Yeah, like the UK. Where they live.

Possibly because independent Ireland is five times bigger than Northern Ireland? If you divide Ireland so that each part is equal to the size of the North (which means dividing that GDP), you get around $13,000. Wonderful economy you've got there.

do you know what per capita means serious question

lolnope missed it haha

Either way, being five times smaller, with less people, obviously NI will have a smaller economy, therefore less wealth to go around.

[Ardoki]

Don't lie.

GDP per capita (nominal) of the Republic of Ireland = $52,256
GDP per capita (nominal) of Northern Ireland = $25,859

Ireland's GDP per capita is twice that of the north.

Possibly because independent Ireland is five times bigger than Northern Ireland? If you divide Ireland so that each part is equal to the size of the North (which means dividing that GDP), you get around $13,000. Wonderful economy you've got there.

GDP per capita is a country's total GDP, divided by the total population.

Your post makes absolutely no sense and it appears you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Benian Republic]

So you yourself feel for the ulster occupiers because you yourself occupy someone else's land?

And that was because they were a vile people with an instatiable hunger for loot.

No I think I disliked Ireland as a concept before I started my Zionist attitude. Are you sure you don't want the best borders for your people? Nahh, just teezing, but really.

I don't want Britain all I want is a united Ireland, separate from Britain physically, culturally and economically. But you admit to occupying Palestinian land?

[The Mid East Federation]

Possibly because independent Ireland is five times bigger than Northern Ireland? If you divide Ireland so that each part is equal to the size of the North (which means dividing that GDP), you get around $13,000. Wonderful economy you've got there.

GDP per capita is a country's total GDP, divided by the total population.

Your post makes absolutely no sense and it appears you have no idea what you are talking about.

Look it doesnt matter what your GDP per capita or GDP is when your debt will kill you in a fast spike when Europe doesn't want to bail out another failed state.