Are the IRA Heroes?

[Meryuma]

Maybe like the 1910s IRA but the later IRA got into a bunch of sectarian violence.

[Thunder God]

Nah, they're just people who got pushed too far.

[Die Verlosser]

I consider the IRA from world war one and the war of independence Hero's
I have Mixed feelings about the IRA of 1960-1990

[The Alexanderians]

the IRA? Hmm not sure my Irish relatives seemed torn on the matter. All I know is they make for good songs.

[Kurdistana Sor]

They were not allowed to protest, whenever they attempted to they were met with state violence (e.g. Bloody Sunday).

Incorrect. The marches were allowed to protest, and did, even as they were met by counter-protests, I'll use the march to Dungannon as my example.

Bloody Sunday was one hell of a fuck up, that shouldn't have happened, but not a ordered to suppress the march, the soldiers were there to reroute it.

The reason the British gave India independence is because they didn't want the more radical elements seizing power (who were pro-Soviet). They knew they couldn't hold onto it for much longer, so they gave power to the moderate INC.

This is a broad simplification of a movement that benefited from the civil disobedience that stretched back decades before the event, I'll go into more detail later as its near three in the morning at this point.

That is not entirely true, most marches were banned when they were organized by human rights activists. Ruling the occupied six counties through emergency laws made it very easy to deny the basic human rights to the Irish. Political organizers were rounded up and send to the camps. The UK was not a democracy, which made democratic protest impossible.

[The Blaatschapen]

I WON! Neo-Hellenic is gone!

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Funeral of Volunteer Neo-Hellenic Republic

*** 1 day ban for gloating ***

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[The Huskar Social Union]

Mixed bag, depends on what group as well.

1910's IRA yeah i can consider them as heroes, later groups such as during the troubles its a mixed bag for me, i can agree with why they were fighting, but i cant agree with some of the methods they used nor can i agree with a lot of their targets, so no i dont really know if i would consider them heroes, but i understand why they fought to begin with and some of their actions.

[Gauthier]

Looks like a continuation of the "Only brown people are terrorists" mentality.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Looks like a continuation of the "Only brown people are terrorists" mentality.

I personally am not disputing the fact that they are terrorists, ive said the past they are. They carried out an armed campaign against civilian targets alongside military ones, its hard not to call them a terrorist group. As that is what they do.

[CTALNH]

No they're fucking not. F*ck the IRA, Up the UVF. Rule Britannia.

The IRA are evil killers and terrorists. They bomb the innocent. They kill Protestants.

They're terrorists. Not freedom fighters.

Their heroes to some.

[Esceen]

No they're fucking not. F*ck the IRA, Up the UVF. Rule Britannia.

The IRA are evil killers and terrorists. They bomb the innocent. They kill Protestants.

They're terrorists. Not freedom fighters.

Their heroes to some.

And terrorists to most

[Ardoki]

Their heroes to some.

And terrorists to most

They were no more terrorists than the Jews who resisted the Nazis, or the French Resistance, or the American Revolutionaries, etcetera.

[Esceen]

And terrorists to most

They were no more terrorists than the Jews who resisted the Nazis, or the French Resistance, or the American Revolutionaries, etcetera.

i don't see the french resistance or the Jews bombing civilians

[Gauthier]

They were no more terrorists than the Jews who resisted the Nazis, or the French Resistance, or the American Revolutionaries, etcetera.

i don't see the french resistance or the Jews bombing civilians

King David Hotel.

[CTALNH]

They were no more terrorists than the Jews who resisted the Nazis, or the French Resistance, or the American Revolutionaries, etcetera.

I don't see the French resistance or the Jews bombing civilians

The jews in pre foundation of Israel thought otherwise of the arab civilians.

[Esceen]

I don't see the French resistance or the Jews bombing civilians

The jews in pre foundation of Israel thought otherwise of the arab civilians.

i don't see the french resistance or the Jews bombing civilians

King David Hotel.

He said Jews resisting the Nazis not Israel, sorry for being so vague

[Armeia]

Yes, their fight is similar to revolutionary America, just less well known.

[Ikania]

i don't see the french resistance or the Jews bombing civilians

King David Hotel.

Britain is not Nazi Germany. The Jews were being loaded into camps and forced to do hard labor or exterminated through poison gas. The French people were invaded by Germans who were doing that stuff to the Jews as well as instituting a fascist government where all dissent was silence and there were absolutely no right. American Revolution... pah, just a bunch of children mad about tea.

The IRA is a terrorist group that used mass murder and intimidation to get their way, that is, the unification of Ireland... against the will of the people. All these resistance movements you talk about were popular, well let me tell you something, with a good majority of northerners not wanting unification, the IRA still tried to make it happen through the most brutal ways. If you think Catholics were being persecuted in the north, imagine what it will be like when they're forced into the Republic without consent, and they are literally the only Protestants in the country. The roles will be reversed and everything will just be worse off.

[Novus America]

Yes, their fight is similar to revolutionary America, just less well known.

Was. And the U.S. gave up on getting Canada through war after the War of 1812. You cannot have it all. Compromise, especially in the face of self determination is neccesary (the majority of people of Northern Ireland want to stay with the UK). Geography does not justify conquering people against their will. The only legitimate way to get Nothern Irealand became the ballot box after the war.

After 1922 what is now the (so called) "IRA" became a murderous terrorist organization killing far more Irish rather than British soldiers. (The real IRA became the National Army) The murder of Michael Collins (who led the real IRA to victory) by the claimed "IRA" was unforgivable. After Ireland became independent, the true revolutionaries became the National Army and wanted to build a new country. The part still using the "IRA" name started killing Irish soldiers.

See the American revolutionaries became a real military and did not murder George Washington and start killing Americans. Big difference.

And the main difference between a "terrorist" and a "freedom fighter" is the tactics used rather than the cause. It is not that complicated. Killing your enemey's soldiers is a legitimate tactic. Murdering your own soldiers, and civilians, including your own is not.

The real, legitimate revolutionary IRA became the National Army in 1922. No legitimate freedom fighting IRA existed after that.

[The Alexanderians]

"[...]show your wife how you won medals out in Flanders! Tell them how the IRA made you run like hell away from the green and lovely lanes of Killeshandra![...]"

[New Skaaneland]

What were the [...] ?

[Aelex]

The members of I.R.A were soldiers. Some indeed were hero, others were terrorists but the majority were just simple men.

[The Alexanderians]

What were the [...] ?

indicating that there is more to the song than what I posted. I was using a specific line.

[New Skaaneland]

And I was asking for the whole song.

[The Alexanderians]

And I was asking for the whole song.

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