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Postby Ikania » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:27 am

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Ikania wrote:Funny that you think that. My point is first, that NI will have a smaller economy due to being five times smaller, then when I realized we were talking per capita, I said that since Ireland has very little people, there is more wealth to go around. Which you may think contradicts me saying there's less wealth go go around, but it's all about context. So when talking about the economy, NI is smaller, so there is less money than Ireland. When talking about per capita, likewise, Ireland is smaller than the UK, which means there is much less people to spread out the wealth to, therefore more to go around.

In the end, we should stop talking per capita because it means nothing. In the grand scheme of things, the Ulster Irish are here to stay, and they've been here for a long enough time to be considered full blooded Irish, especially because not all Irish Protestants are necessarily descended from English colonists; expelling them from their homeland, especially forcibly, is a considerably oppressive trampling on the rights of the people and the right to self determination, and advocating any sort of displacement or genocide of Irish Protestants takes away any possible argument or credibility.

I was specifically talking about GDP per capita. That is why I explicitly mentioned it in every post where I was talking about it.

You are simply lying. If you read the posts you were replying to, you would have known I was talking about GDP per capita, even if you missed the 'per capita' part (which you couldn't have) the posts would make no sense if I was talking about total GDP. You are now simply making up excuses now since I exposed your contradictory statements.

I'm not lying- I genuinely didn't realize we were talking per capita, I didn't look at the numbers and say 'damn that's small' because I wasn't thinking about that, I was thinking about my argument. You still haven't refuted it, by the way.

Many Ulster-Scots see themselves as Irish, a lot are even culturally Irish. However those who hate Ireland should be deported.

Now that's just ridiculous. Maybe immigrants without citizenship that do bad things that taint Ireland's reputation, but deporting someone for simply disliking the country is a complete violation of every fundamental right to free speech.
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Postby Cormo » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:30 am

No f**king Irish person I know supports the f**king IRA. They are bunch of savage cowards. The same with the UVF and the British Army.
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Postby New Yuktobanian Republics » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:52 am

Cormo wrote:No f**king Irish person I know supports the f**king IRA. They are bunch of savage cowards. The same with the UVF and the British Army.

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Postby Greater-London » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:07 am

Who is a hero is incredibly subjective; we all have different heroes for different reasons. Some people undoubtedly think they are I personally don't think there was anything particularly heroic about their cause or methods. As far as I'm concerned the IRA where no more heroic than any other terrorist group fighting for a nationalist cause. So in my mind I would say the argument about whether or not they where heroic is a bit silly.

As for whether or not what they did was "legitimate" that's where interesting discussion can happen. Wanting a reunited Ireland separate from the UK is a perfectly reasonable position to take - its not my opinion but it makes sense and there are plenty of sound arguments in favor of that. As for the use of violence in order to bring about these aims I'm dubious; I don't believe that terrorist violence in Northern Ireland helped at all in the fight for a united Irish republic. It was an unwinnable fight which served only to bring out the worst in both communities and enhance division.

So yeah, not just unheroic but also harmful to the cause.
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Postby Colonial Rhodesia » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:04 pm

the Irish Republican Army is nothing but a bunch of extremist bent on killing innocent civilians and forcing Protestants to make concessions to papist tyranny.

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Postby Alyakia » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:12 pm

Colonial Rhodesia wrote:the Irish Republican Army is nothing but a bunch of extremist bent on killing innocent civilians and forcing Protestants to make concessions to papist tyranny.

God Save the Queen and Ulster!!!


tell us about this "papist tyranny"
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Postby Colonial Rhodesia » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:30 pm

Alyakia wrote:
Colonial Rhodesia wrote:the Irish Republican Army is nothing but a bunch of extremist bent on killing innocent civilians and forcing Protestants to make concessions to papist tyranny.

God Save the Queen and Ulster!!!


tell us about this "papist tyranny"



okay so everyone knows that the I.R.A. is a predominately Catholic terrorist group from Ulster working for a United Ireland in which Catholics reign supreme and Protestants face ill treatment naturally the hand of Rome gives these terrorists moral support while pretending to denounce the Irish republican agenda. but thanks to a little help from our brothers in the U.V.F. and British army we drove them back.
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Postby Benian Republic » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:32 pm

Colonial Rhodesia wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
tell us about this "papist tyranny"



okay so everyone knows that the I.R.A. is a predominately Catholic terrorist group from Ulster working for a United Ireland in which Catholics reign supreme and Protestants face ill treatment naturally the hand of Rome gives these terrorists moral support while pretending to denounce the Irish republican agenda. but thanks to a little help from our brothers in the U.V.F. and British army we drove them back.

So the British army proxy death squads?
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Postby Colonial Rhodesia » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:33 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Colonial Rhodesia wrote:

okay so everyone knows that the I.R.A. is a predominately Catholic terrorist group from Ulster working for a United Ireland in which Catholics reign supreme and Protestants face ill treatment naturally the hand of Rome gives these terrorists moral support while pretending to denounce the Irish republican agenda. but thanks to a little help from our brothers in the U.V.F. and British army we drove them back.

So the British army proxy death squads?


yep.
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Postby Alyakia » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:34 pm

Colonial Rhodesia wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
tell us about this "papist tyranny"



okay so everyone knows that the I.R.A. is a predominately Catholic terrorist group from Ulster working for a United Ireland in which Catholics reign supreme and Protestants face ill treatment naturally the hand of Rome gives these terrorists moral support while pretending to denounce the Irish republican agenda. but thanks to a little help from our brothers in the U.V.F. and British army we drove them back.


you're aware that at that time catholics faced ill treatment in northern ireland and that's how the whole thing managed to kick off so spectacularly right. why aren't the UVF a bunch of extremists bent on forcing catholics to make concessions to protestant tyranny?
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Postby WCJNSTBH » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:38 pm

Cormo wrote:No f**king Irish person I know supports the f**king IRA. They are bunch of savage cowards. The same with the UVF and the British Army.

Somebody supports them, they don't operate in a bubble.

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Postby WCJNSTBH » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:41 pm

Colonial Rhodesia wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
tell us about this "papist tyranny"



okay so everyone knows that the I.R.A. is a predominately Catholic terrorist group from Ulster working for a United Ireland in which Catholics reign supreme and Protestants face ill treatment naturally the hand of Rome gives these terrorists moral support while pretending to denounce the Irish republican agenda. but thanks to a little help from our brothers in the U.V.F. and British army we drove them back.

Have you got no fucking homes of your own.

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Postby Benian Republic » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:05 pm

Alyakia wrote:
Colonial Rhodesia wrote:

okay so everyone knows that the I.R.A. is a predominately Catholic terrorist group from Ulster working for a United Ireland in which Catholics reign supreme and Protestants face ill treatment naturally the hand of Rome gives these terrorists moral support while pretending to denounce the Irish republican agenda. but thanks to a little help from our brothers in the U.V.F. and British army we drove them back.


you're aware that at that time catholics faced ill treatment in northern ireland and that's how the whole thing managed to kick off so spectacularly right. why aren't the UVF a bunch of extremists bent on forcing catholics to make concessions to protestant tyranny?

Because they won.
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Postby Benian Republic » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:06 pm

WCJNSTBH wrote:
Colonial Rhodesia wrote:

okay so everyone knows that the I.R.A. is a predominately Catholic terrorist group from Ulster working for a United Ireland in which Catholics reign supreme and Protestants face ill treatment naturally the hand of Rome gives these terrorists moral support while pretending to denounce the Irish republican agenda. but thanks to a little help from our brothers in the U.V.F. and British army we drove them back.

Have you got no fucking homes of your own.

For 800 years we fought you without fears, and we'lol fight you for 800 more.
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Postby Marcurix » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:16 pm

Benian Republic wrote:For 800 years we fought you without fears, and we'lol fight you for 800 more.


I'm just going to point out there is no "we" in that statement. Nor was there a conflict for 800 years, or any will by the vast majority to have any more conflict.

Sorry to rain on your romantasized parade.
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Postby Benian Republic » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:17 pm

Marcurix wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:For 800 years we fought you without fears, and we'll fight you for 800 more.


I'm just going to point out there is no "we" in that statement. Nor was there a conflict for 800 years, or any will by the vast majority to have any more conflict.

Sorry to rain on your romantasized parade.

It's part of a song, and yes 800 years of British occupation.
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Postby WCJNSTBH » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:19 pm

Marcurix wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:For 800 years we fought you without fears, and we'lol fight you for 800 more.


I'm just going to point out there is no "we" in that statement. Nor was there a conflict for 800 years, or any will by the vast majority to have any more conflict.

Sorry to rain on your romantasized parade.

800 years of not getting it

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Postby Colonial Rhodesia » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:23 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
WCJNSTBH wrote:Have you got no fucking homes of your own.

For 800 years we fought you without fears, and we'lol fight you for 800 more.


your forget how we shut the gates of Londonderry in your faces and shouted no Surrender
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Postby Colonial Rhodesia » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:25 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Marcurix wrote:
I'm just going to point out there is no "we" in that statement. Nor was there a conflict for 800 years, or any will by the vast majority to have any more conflict.

Sorry to rain on your romantasized parade.

It's part of a song, and yes 800 years of British occupation.


this is also apart of a song: NO SURRENDER!!!!
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Postby WCJNSTBH » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:29 pm

Colonial Rhodesia wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:For 800 years we fought you without fears, and we'lol fight you for 800 more.


your forget how we shut the gates of Londonderry in your faces and shouted no Surrender

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Postby Benian Republic » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:29 pm

Colonial Rhodesia wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:For 800 years we fought you without fears, and we'lol fight you for 800 more.


your forget how we shut the gates of Londonderry in your faces and shouted no Surrender

Derry. And you forget how we beat the British army to the negotiation table even when the ulster terrorists commited travesty.
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Postby Benian Republic » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:30 pm

Colonial Rhodesia wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:It's part of a song, and yes 800 years of British occupation.


this is also apart of a song: NO SURRENDER!!!!

"No surrender is the war cry if the Belfast brigade."?
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Postby Alyakia » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:33 pm

is anyone else getting really embarrassed right now
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Postby Benian Republic » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:34 pm

Alyakia wrote:is anyone else getting really embarrassed right now

I am
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Postby Marcurix » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:36 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Colonial Rhodesia wrote:
your forget how we shut the gates of Londonderry in your faces and shouted no Surrender

Derry. And you forget how we beat the British army to the negotiation table even when the ulster terrorists commited travesty.


Once again, there is no "we". And you don't really beat anyone to the negotiating table.

This attitude is why it's hard to take any of your points seriously.
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