Dating outside of your ethnicity

[Thessalonaik]

I cited a source that showed population growth doesn't work the way you claim it does and you responded by showing that you haven't got a fucking clue regarding the interpretation of population statistics. I've been addressing your "arguments" and the refutation has been "learn2statistic" in every case.

You cited a source that said London was 60% british which was just wrong. You then cited another statistic saying immigrant families lower their birthrate after generations of families with higher birthrates have already increased the population. You also did not address the issue of new 1st gen immigrants moving to the UK at the rate of several hundreds of thousands per year when only 30 years ago tens of thousands per year would have been high. They would also need generations of families at higher birthrates to settle down at the standard, no? Of course, until the next hundreds of thousands arrived to continue the process. And each year, the number of immigrants rises. And considering your source was in German and I don't speak German, and your source came from a pro-immigration newspaper - I cannot even verify the veracity of your sources.

What an interesting development.

What a tweest

Not only do you not know shit about reading statistics, you apparently don't know shit about reading the names next to posts.

Of course I don't, I don't care who makes the argument I care about the quality of the argument

[May Mays]

That they're awfully addictive

Given a life of abstinence and a life of hedonism, the former is healthy but we'd all end up living the latter, intentionally or no.

I dispute that claim. Abstinence is not physically or mentally healthier than moderate indulgence in most cases. It is, in fact, considerably worse.

Yes but who wants healthy.

You get one shot at life.

So bring on the tren and winny, the HBs and fast cars.

Moderate indulgence is in all cases, considerably worse.

[The Cobalt Sky]

I think I heard that before but what does it mean exactly?

9/11 conspiracy theory stuff. It's the go-to phrase for mocking paranoid ideas.

I think I heard that before but what does it mean exactly?

Has to do with twin towers, 911, usually used in conspiracy theories. ( I think)

Thank you!

[Thessalonaik]

That they're awfully addictive

Given a life of abstinence and a life of hedonism, the former is healthy but we'd all end up living the latter, intentionally or no.

I dispute that claim. Abstinence is not physically or mentally healthier than moderate indulgence in most cases. It is, in fact, considerably worse.

That's why I didn't say moderate indulgence though, I deliberately used the two extremes for a reason; the Buddhists are most often right on one thing, in that the middle way is best way. But given a life of hedonism and abstinence? The former'll kill you quick. And after a while, the desensitization would even make it enjoyable.

[USS Monitor]

At the rate the world's demographics are going, White skin simply isn't going to be around anymore 200 years from now. In the US it is hard enough to find other Whites. In certain parts of the country you have to pretty much go out of your way because if you don't, all you'll find is Latinos and other mixed people. I increasingly find the situation unbearable, so I need to make it to at least Maine before Whites are an actual minority in north America. That is the state which is currently most White, but I don't see it as being this way forever. Just that my moving there would buy me time. It is worse over in Europe because instead of Catholic mestizos moving in, it is a ton of Muslims from Arab and north African countries prone to fundamentalism.

FYI, Maine's demographics will change because they take in refugees. I am really confused why you have any difficulty finding white people in other states. Do you not go outside? Are you a ship like me and you can't go ashore?

[Laerod]

I cited a source that showed population growth doesn't work the way you claim it does and you responded by showing that you haven't got a fucking clue regarding the interpretation of population statistics. I've been addressing your "arguments" and the refutation has been "learn2statistic" in every case.

You cited a source that said London was 60% british which was just wrong.

Gonna be really funny watching you try to prove that I did anything of the sort =D

[Mavorpen]

That's because it's bullshit and not actual science.

I am just pointing out the obvious. In the same way that stating "all things fall because of gravity" is just pointing out the obvious.

As am I.

It's also plain as day that Jesus' face is in the following objects.

I'm pretty sure Jesus is not spending his time blessing these specific pieces of food.

M8 we're not potatoes we're people

...Am I being punked? I mean, it's rare that I meet someone so adept at completely missing the point and I want to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Either you didn't read what I posted, or it flew over your head because you don't have a basic understanding of this topic.
First of all, you've got this wrong. If you pluck a random Russian out, they're more likely to have more in common with a sub-Saharan than a Pole simply because sub-Saharan Africa has a shit ton of genetic diversity.

No they won't have more in common.

Of course they will.

Both the Russian and Pole will likely not have sickle-cell disease,, both will have a higher risk of cystic fibrosis, both will most likely not be lactose intolerant, both will have fair skin, both will have a chance of having green/blue/brown eyes as opposed to just brown, both will have epicanthic folds and so on.

You do realize I'm talking about genotypic variation, right?

Second of all, the point about the Chimpanzees is that physical attributes don't reflect genetic diversity or differentiation. If you take a single population of Chimpanzees, they'll have more genetic diversity between that group than between two people of different "races." Yet if you do a courtesy glance at two Chimpanzees of that group, you wouldn't be able to distinguish between the two, despite the fact that they have more genetic diversity.

Genetic diversity decreases the further away from Africa you get, what of it?

Are you by chance a sentient wall?

The Han are not very diverse genetically and they are the world's most populous ethnic group. And they are very distinguishable from their neighbours to the south, to the west and east.

You couldn't be more wrong. Literally. The Han has some of the most genetic diversity out of any group on the planet.

It's also not the same as being Java. Having Indonesian genes, and not slavic ones.

There are no such things.

A slavic baby in Indonesia that took up the cultural norms would be a slavic adult with Indonesian culture.

And Indonesian.

When the white rajahs adopted Malayans customs and culture, lived in Malaya, ruled in Malaya - they were always brown haired men (with the occasional blond) of fair skin. They were always ethnic Englishmen. Their time in Malaya did not make them Indian, or Han, or Hakka, or Malayan, or Aboriginal. They remained very much of the English ethnicity, and obviously so.

So basically they became Malaysian.

[Thessalonaik]

You cited a source that said London was 60% british which was just wrong.

Gonna be really funny watching you try to prove that I did anything of the sort =D

Given that 59.5% of London (all) is White British, you're evidently incorrect.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablo ... land-wales
crtl+F for London, otherwise it's table line 247.

But some of them feel outnumbered. Surely that has to count for something.

=D

[Seaxeland]

Nothing wrong with it. I dated a Jewish girl once, and I'm currently dating a girl with German ancestry.

You can't really be picky about dating a specific ethnicity in the US. Everyone's ethnic backgrounds or so mixed, it doesn't even matter. Well, except mine I guess. All I have is English ancestry. But most people in this country have several ethnic backgrounds, so there's not much room to be picky about ethnicity.

[Cannot think of a name]

Gonna be really funny watching you try to prove that I did anything of the sort =D

But some of them feel outnumbered. Surely that has to count for something.

=D

Everyone, shhhhh! Let's see if he gets there himself...

[Thessalonaik]

As am I.

As am I =D

...Am I being punked? I mean, it's rare that I meet someone so adept at completely missing the point and I want to give you the benefit of the doubt.

M8 you're missing the point m8 we're not potatoes

Of course they will.

No they won't

You do realize I'm talking about genotypic variation, right?

And I'm talking about both; and on both it's abundantly clear I'm right. People are not the same. We are not clones! We have identities - unique ones, and groups that share certain qualities which tie them together. Ethnic qualities, which cannot be learned, you are born with them or you do not have them. And the only way to be born with them? Be born of that ethnic group.

Are you by chance a sentient wall?

No I'd have more money if I was

You couldn't be more wrong. Literally. The Han has some of the most genetic diversity out of any group on the planet.

You sure m8

There are no such things.

Then what decides what you look like when you're born m9, it isn't culture

And Indonesian.

Nah because they wouldn't have any Indonesian in them

So basically they became Malaysian.

No they were English

[Laerod]

Gonna be really funny watching you try to prove that I did anything of the sort =D

But some of them feel outnumbered. Surely that has to count for something.

=D

And my point has been proven. =O

[Laerod]

=D

Everyone, shhhhh! Let's see if he gets there himself...

Given his run regarding statistics, I believe he thinks he didn't just saw off his foot with a shotgun.

[Thessalonaik]

Everyone, shhhhh! Let's see if he gets there himself...

Given his run regarding statistics, I believe he thinks he didn't just saw off his foot with a shotgun.

How so m8 you endorsing Russia's stats is pretty damning

[Mavorpen]

As am I.

As am I =D

I'm not meant to take you seriously, am I?

M8 you're missing the point m8 we're not potatoes

Apparently, you're in desperate need of this.

No they won't

Yes they will. The groups have more genetic variation within them than between them. You do know what that means, right?

And I'm talking about both;

No, no you're not.

and on both it's abundantly clear I'm right.

No, it isn't. Unless you have research to back you up that's refuted the vast majority of research on this topic conducted in over a decade.

People are not the same. We are not clones!

Okay, please tell me you're trolling. I refuse to accept someone is so utterly incapable of reading and comprehending basic sentences.

We have identities - unique ones, and groups that share certain qualities which tie them together.

And that's where you've fucked up. Because the fact is, is that there aren't any qualities, none, that are found in one group and exclusively in that group. The qualities found in one group is going to be found in another group. Humans simply don't have the genetic variation for what you're proposing. The concept of "race" fails at every single tool used in biology to categorize organisms. Feel free to name me exclusive genes found only in one race and not in any others. I'll wait.

Ethnic qualities, which cannot be learned, you are born with them or you do not have them. And the only way to be born with them? Be born of that ethnic group.

The only ethnic qualities are ones that actual exist, and those are all based on culture.

No I'd have more money if I was

I doubt it.

You sure m8

Yes, I'm sure, and a paper that doesn't say anything about the Han having low genetic diversity won't change that. In fact, you've literally given a source that disproves your claim that the Han are easily distinguishable from their neighbors, because the source is talking about "Asians" in general. Not only that, but it EXPLICITLY says:

Comparison of these sequences with other Asian mtDNA sequences reveals high variability within populations, but extremely low differentiation among Asian populations.

In other words, the individual populations that you'd call "ethnicities," have high variation WITHIN them while Asians in general have low diversity when comparing between groups. To make it even MORE simple to understand for you: Han- relatively high genetic diversity, Asian- relatively low genetic diversity.

Do you even read your sources?

Then what decides what you look like when you're born m9, it isn't culture

The hell does this have to do with what I said?

Nah because they wouldn't have any Indonesian in them

Considering there is no such thing as "Indonesian genes," sure, you're technically right.

No they were English

Well if they maintained English citizenship, then sure.

[Laerod]

Given his run regarding statistics, I believe he thinks he didn't just saw off his foot with a shotgun.

How so m8 you endorsing Russia's stats is pretty damning

And what word did you use to describe what I did earlier when I asked you to prove that?

[Slakonian]

Well, living in the rural areas of Greece it is very uncommon to "date" or even "meet" someone both outside my or our ethnicisy and race too.

[Nubiania]

What's up all this talk of dating outside of your race being racist?
I would never touch a non-African woman, not only are they disgusting, but I would also be soiling God's work.

[Mavorpen]

What's up all this talk of dating outside of your race being racist?
I would never touch a non-African woman, not only are they disgusting, but I would also be soiling God's work.

*insert flashing neon sign reading "I am not a puppet"*

[Thessalonaik]

I'm not meant to take you seriously, am I?

Up to you

Apparently, you're in desperate need of this.

4u

Yes they will. The groups have more genetic variation within them than between them. You do know what that means, right?

Yeah that the differences between the groups express the phenotype

No, no you're not.

No you're only talking about genotypes, I both

No, it isn't. Unless you have research to back you up that's refuted the vast majority of research conducted in over a decade.

Ok

Okay, please tell me you're trolling. I refuse to accept someone is so utterly incapable of reading and comprehending basic sentences.

Lel I troll yoU!!!!!!!11!!1

*I feel I must clarify. This is sarcasm.

And that's where you've fucked up. Because the fact is, is that there aren't any qualities, none, that are found in one group and exclusively in that group. The concept of "race" fails at every single tool used in biology to categorize organisms.

White skin, red skin, yellow skin, olive skin, brown skin, black skin, red hair, blond hair, brown hair, black hair, straight hair, curly hair, epicanthic folds everywhere mongols slept...

The only ethnic qualities are ones that actual exist, and those are all based on culture.

Physical traits are not based off of culture, and cannot be decided by culture.

I doubt it.

I wouldn't

Yes, I'm sure, and a paper that doesn't say anything about the Han having low genetic diversity will change that. In fact, you've literally given a source that disproves your claim that the Han are easily distinguishable from their neighbors, because the source is talking about "Asians" in general.

Ah yes, and Native Americans are indistinguishable from Afro-Caribbeans, Europeans and Mexicans because they're all Americans in general! Pardon, but that's hideously... Odd... Thinking. No, they are distinguishable from their neighbours because they are distinguishable from their neighbours. Are you seriously incapable of telling a Han man apart from an Indian man, Japanese man or Malayan?

Not only that, but it EXPLICITLY says:

Comparison of these sequences with other Asian mtDNA sequences reveals high variability within populations, but extremely low differentiation among Asian populations.

In other words, the individual populations that you'd call "ethnicities," have high variation WITHIN them while Asians in general have low diversity when comparing between groups. To make it even MORE simple to understand for you: Han- relatively high genetic diversity, Asian- relatively low genetic diversity.

In your words and it agrees with me, you'll love this.

The hell does this have to do with what I said?

You keep saying what makes someone a part of an ethnicity is culture which is objectively wrong.

Considering there is no such thing as "Indonesian genes," sure, you're technically right.

The Indonesian culture does not produce Indonesian children.

Well if they maintained English citizenship, then sure.

And we're back to square 1

Ethnicity =/= Culture

How so m8 you endorsing Russia's stats is pretty damning

And what word did you use to describe what I did earlier when I asked you to prove that?

I'm in blissful ignorance Laerod I don't care who you are or Coblat is or that other guy or Kahn or whatever, if your argument can't stand on its own merit without your identity supposing to mean something then your argument is crap

[The Cobalt Sky]

What's up all this talk of dating outside of your race being racist?
I would never touch a non-African woman, not only are they disgusting, but I would also be soiling God's work.

*insert flashing neon sign reading "I am not a puppet"*

Lol he was created today, too! And FYI, Nubiania, there's more than one race of people in Africa. And also more than one ethnic group. Just saying.

[Meryuma]

I'm white as a fish belly and I got gay married to my husband, who is a hispanic man of Colombian descent. He's also feminine, beautiful, and got that good thickness tho. *insert Kanye West face*

That does sound pretty nice.

Sort of like how in the past with the Roman, Muslim and especially the Mongolian conquests, where the conquered peoples had their ethnic and cultural identity wiped out and replaced with the conquerors.

Actually, the Mongolians had a religiously tolerant empire where they didn't really give a fuck how you dressed, what you ate, what language you spoke or who you worshipped as long as you paid tribute to Mongol elites.

Those who make a huge fuss over interracial relationships and interracial marriage should stop freaking out over a perceived white genocide, and promptly head back to the 1960's...or Arkansas.

Moving on, I'm personally most attracted to white women. I've had relationships and "things" with girls of other races, but I just have my personal preferences. I'd never force these personal preferences onto others.

I could've sworn you were gay...

=The primary purpose of finding a mate, aka establishing a family, is to breed, is it not?

imo the purpose of "finding a mate" is to have someone who is your companion and equal to share physical and emotional closeness with, it has absolutely zero to do with "breeding".

[Liberty and Linguistics]

I'm white as a fish belly and I got gay married to my husband, who is a hispanic man of Colombian descent. He's also feminine, beautiful, and got that good thickness tho. *insert Kanye West face*

That does sound pretty nice.

Sort of like how in the past with the Roman, Muslim and especially the Mongolian conquests, where the conquered peoples had their ethnic and cultural identity wiped out and replaced with the conquerors.

Actually, the Mongolians had a religiously tolerant empire where they didn't really give a fuck how you dressed, what you ate, what language you spoke or who you worshipped as long as you paid tribute to Mongol elites.

Those who make a huge fuss over interracial relationships and interracial marriage should stop freaking out over a perceived white genocide, and promptly head back to the 1960's...or Arkansas.

Moving on, I'm personally most attracted to white women. I've had relationships and "things" with girls of other races, but I just have my personal preferences. I'd never force these personal preferences onto others.

I could've sworn you were gay...

=The primary purpose of finding a mate, aka establishing a family, is to breed, is it not?

imo the purpose of "finding a mate" is to have someone who is your companion and equal to share physical and emotional closeness with, it has absolutely zero to do with "breeding".

No, perhaps you confused me with someone else. I dunno if I'm 100% straight, for a lack of a better word, it's probably just teenage sexual confusion. But, in short, I'm not gay.

[Mavorpen]

Up to you

That's uplifting.

4u

Thank you for the broken link.

Yeah that the differences between the groups express the phenotype

uwotm8. You do know that the variable genotypes are not the only things that are expressed, right? ...Right?

No you're only talking about genotypes, I both

You're not talking about genotypes at all.

Ok

This is supposed to support you, how?

Lel I troll yoU!!!!!!!11!!1

*I feel I must clarify. This is sarcasm.

Interestingly enough, this doesn't make me feel any better.

White skin,

Found in multiple groups.

red skin, yellow skin,

I'm sorry, were you intentionally trying to be racist? Regardless, both found in multiple "races."

olive skin,

Found in multiple "races."

brown skin,

Found in multiple "races."

black skin, red hair, blond hair, brown hair, black hair, straight hair, curly hair,

Guess what? Found in multiple races.

epicanthic folds everywhere mongols slept...

As well as multiple other races.

You wanna try again, and this time actually give me genes that are exclusive to one race and not found in any others?

Physical traits are not based off of culture, and cannot be decided by culture.

You can state the obvious. Good for you. Relevance?

Ah yes, and Native Americans are indistinguishable from Afro-Caribbeans, Europeans and Mexicans because they're all Americans in general!

Pretty much, yeah, though it's not because they're all Americans.

Pardon, but that's hideously... Odd... Thinking.

Not really. It just requires a decent understanding of genetics.

No, they are distinguishable from their neighbours because they are distinguishable from their neighbours.

But, they aren't. Not in any meaningful sense with regards to taxonomy they aren't.

Are you seriously incapable of telling a Han man apart from an Indian man, Japanese man or Malayan?

Yes, because, as you put it, people aren't clones. Of course I can tell them apart. It has nothing to do with pseudoscientific concepts like "race."

In your words and it agrees with me,

That's nice. Explain how, instead of waving being proven wrong away like you've done repeatedly in this thread. The source literally explains that variability is high WITHIN the groups (such as the Han), and low between the groups. That's the OPPOSITE of what you said (that the Han have low variability).

you'll love this.

Uh. Okay? And?

You keep saying what makes someone a part of an ethnicity is culture which is objectively wrong.

No, it isn't.

The Indonesian culture does not produce Indonesian children.

Please point out to me genes that makes someone Indonesian.

And we're back to square 1

Because you fail to grasp simple concepts.

[Meryuma]

No, perhaps you confused me with someone else. I dunno if I'm 100% straight, for a lack of a better word, it's probably just teenage sexual confusion. But, in short, I'm not gay.

Huh, I thought you were The Scientific States, and that he was gay. Like, I could swear he'd call boys cute/hot/whatever in the picture threads, or post in the gay chat/discussion thread back when that existed or something.