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Who will you vote for in the federal election?

Conservative (Stephen Harper)
156
30%
Liberal (Justin Trudeau)
117
23%
NDP (Thomas Mulcair)
132
25%
Green Party (Elizabeth May)
25
5%
Bloc Québécois (Gilles Duceppe)
25
5%
Other party please specify
11
2%
Undecided
9
2%
I'm not voting
44
8%
 
Total votes : 519

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Razgriskm
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Founded: Apr 06, 2015
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Postby Razgriskm » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:10 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Razgriskm wrote:I suppose the UN is using outdated terms then
http://en.europenews.dk/Sweden-to-becom ... 28028.html

"According to UN projections, Sweden will be a much poorer country by 2030, much worse than what anyone in the Swedish government indicates.

The UN report HDI (Human Development Index) predicts a significant decrease in Swedish prosperity, unlike their Nordic neighbors, who will retain their top positions and even strengthen them globally in the long run.

In 2010 Sweden had the 15th place in the HDI rankings but according to UN forecasts, Sweden will be #25 in 2015, and in 2030 on the 45th place. "

Sweden was 14th in 2015. The prediction wasn't meant to be accurate, the UN was using experimental numbers.

"The logic should be really simple to understand, yet many have difficulties grasping it: If you import the Third World, it's what you'll get."

http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/10/mains ... -the-west/
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Kelinfort
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Postby Kelinfort » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:11 pm

Razgriskm wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Sweden was 14th in 2015. The prediction wasn't meant to be accurate, the UN was using experimental numbers.

"The logic should be really simple to understand, yet many have difficulties grasping it: If you import the Third World, it's what you'll get."

http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/10/mains ... -the-west/
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

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Camicon
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Postby Camicon » Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:59 pm

Razgriskm wrote:I suppose the UN is using outdated terms then
http://en.europenews.dk/Sweden-to-becom ... 28028.html

"According to UN projections, Sweden will be a much poorer country by 2030, much worse than what anyone in the Swedish government indicates.

The UN report HDI (Human Development Index) predicts a significant decrease in Swedish prosperity, unlike their Nordic neighbors, who will retain their top positions and even strengthen them globally in the long run.

In 2010 Sweden had the 15th place in the HDI rankings but according to UN forecasts, Sweden will be #25 in 2015, and in 2030 on the 45th place. "

No, that writer was using outdated terms to describe a UN report. A writer who, by all indications, is racist. And also, apparently, an idiot, because they don't seem understand even the first thing about that UN report. And I shall demonstrate as such with a single quote:

"While all cohorts show an increase in the HDI over time, the steepness of the rise in the HDI decreases as one goes from Cohort 1 to Cohort 4"

Rankings on the HDI mean jack squat if you are still improving. Sweden is in Cohort 4, alongside Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Spain, Switzerland, United Kingdom, and United States of America. What the report concludes is that, assuming the past is a reliable indicator of the future, those states which already rank highly on the HDI will experience lower, but more stable, rates of growth on the HDI.

Reading comprehension, do you even?
Razgriskm wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Sweden was 14th in 2015. The prediction wasn't meant to be accurate, the UN was using experimental numbers.

"The logic should be really simple to understand, yet many have difficulties grasping it: If you import the Third World, it's what you'll get."

http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/10/mains ... -the-west/
*imgsnip*

Raw numbers are meaningless for that kind of conversation; per capita rates or gtfo.
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Zoice
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Founded: Oct 30, 2015
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Postby Zoice » Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:05 am

Camicon wrote:
Razgriskm wrote:"The logic should be really simple to understand, yet many have difficulties grasping it: If you import the Third World, it's what you'll get."

http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/10/mains ... -the-west/
*imgsnip*

Raw numbers are meaningless for that kind of conversation; per capita rates or gtfo.

As Kelinfort's link points out, even per capita rates cannot be accurately compared, because of differences in how cases of rape are counted in different countries. Sweden tends to overcount by a large margin relative to everywhere else.
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Postby Camicon » Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:48 am

Zoice wrote:
Camicon wrote:Raw numbers are meaningless for that kind of conversation; per capita rates or gtfo.

As Kelinfort's link points out, even per capita rates cannot be accurately compared, because of differences in how cases of rape are counted in different countries. Sweden tends to overcount by a large margin relative to everywhere else.

Razgriskm wasn't trying to compare rapes in Sweden to rapes in other countries.
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Postby Zoice » Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:04 pm

Camicon wrote:
Zoice wrote:As Kelinfort's link points out, even per capita rates cannot be accurately compared, because of differences in how cases of rape are counted in different countries. Sweden tends to overcount by a large margin relative to everywhere else.

Razgriskm wasn't trying to compare rapes in Sweden to rapes in other countries.

Oh, sorry I read that into his post. Still, it's relevant as the definition of rape changed in Sweden pretty much exactly when the incidence reports increased. It's like autism rates increasing because the definition broadened.
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Postby Camicon » Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:41 pm

Zoice wrote:
Camicon wrote:Razgriskm wasn't trying to compare rapes in Sweden to rapes in other countries.

Oh, sorry I read that into his post. Still, it's relevant as the definition of rape changed in Sweden pretty much exactly when the incidence reports increased. It's like autism rates increasing because the definition broadened.

Of course it's relevant to a discussion about rape, but this thread isn't the place to discuss rape in Sweden. I was criticizing Razgriskm's attempt to make a comparison of dissimilar populations (in terms of size) using raw numbers rather than per capita rates, specifically.
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Zoice
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Founded: Oct 30, 2015
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Postby Zoice » Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:22 pm

Camicon wrote:
Zoice wrote:Oh, sorry I read that into his post. Still, it's relevant as the definition of rape changed in Sweden pretty much exactly when the incidence reports increased. It's like autism rates increasing because the definition broadened.

Of course it's relevant to a discussion about rape, but this thread isn't the place to discuss rape in Sweden. I was criticizing Razgriskm's attempt to make a comparison of dissimilar populations (in terms of size) using raw numbers rather than per capita rates, specifically.

That's fair, and I agree.

I'm criticizing (with thanks to Kelinfort) him trying to use rape in Sweden as an example of how horrible the country is. :)
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