2015 Canadian Election

[Canadian Davsland]

They aren't PC's, they are fascist RefCons.

I find it very disappointing that you didn't bother to learn what fascism actually means before you started plastering it all over things you don't like. Seriously, the Tories are not fascist; not even close.

I know what fascism is, and the Tories in Canada fit the description well.

[Saint-Thor]

This is gold.

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This. Is. Brilliant.

[Fanosolia]

They aren't PC's, they are fascist RefCons.

I find it very disappointing that you didn't bother to learn what fascism actually means before you started plastering it all over things you don't like. Seriously, the Tories are not fascist; not even close.

nah, man. All they need to know about fascism is to watch that one scene in big lebowski where the dud gets a coffee mug thrown at his head. Seriously, it's as overused as terms like "brainwashed".

I think authoritarian asses is a better term for them anyways.

[Nation of Quebec]

Wedge/dog-whistle politics. Basically, Harper proposed banning the niqab in citizenship ceremonies. That gave Harper a boost, while it really hurt the NDP in Quebec (which was their principal base of support) since Quebecers are receptive to that sort of politics I think.

Receptive sure, but not necessarily caused by the niqab, as shown by the most recent polls. The Conservative can barely get 20% in Québec, ranking right under the Bloc. This is not a significant rise on a national scale. We currently have a laughable 5 conservative seats in Québec. I highly doubt Québec could give more than 10 seats, like in 2006 and 2008. Québec is the only place in Canada where the NDP can hope to hold a large number of seats. So if the Conservatives are doing so well in Canada, it's mostly due to their supporters outside Québec.

The thing is that votes in Québec can not be taken for granted. The province has changed political affiliation many times in a short period of time and it doesn't take much to lose the public favor, especially outside of Montréal where a good campaign can make a huge difference. Québec has voted massively for the Liberals of Pierre Trudeau in 1980 (74/75 seats, forming 50% of the federal government) while having a massive PQ governement in the province at the same time. They voted massively for the Conservatives of Mulroney a few years later. Then they gave an outstanding support to the Bloc québécois in the 90's until late 2000's. Finally they were seduced by Jack Layton, which caused an enthousiasm for the NDP (we called it the "orange wave") with 59 seats, more than all the other provinces combined.

The polls I've seen either have the NDP still out in front in Quebec by over 10 points with the Liberals in second and others show that the Liberals have taken a lead or are tied in the province. I think only one outliner poll showed the Conservatives at above 20% in the province. I predicted earlier that this was simply an emotional response because of Harper's dog whistle politics and I have my doubts that the Conservatives will gain 10 seats in the province. They may gain one or two close ones from last time, but I think the Conservative support in Quebec is being overblown.

If vote-splitting is a thing, I could see some Conservative-Bloc vote splitting that benefits the Liberals and NDP. The Bloc are on the same page as the Conservatives on this issue.

[Camicon]

I find it very disappointing that you didn't bother to learn what fascism actually means before you started plastering it all over things you don't like. Seriously, the Tories are not fascist; not even close.

I know what fascism is, and the Tories in Canada fit the description well.

Fascism in practice creates an autocratic totalitarian regime. Given that Canada is a democracy, and given that the Tories have shown absolutely no interesting in deconsolidating Canada's democracy, they are (objectively speaking) not a fascist party.

On a broader scale, fascist parties seek to overturn the status quo at all level of society. They subscribe to an official ideology which they use to legitimize the way they want to redistribute and use power, and which provides them with a blueprint on how to reshape society after their revolution tears down the old one. There is actually a matter of debate in the field about whether or not a totalitarian state which has concluded it's revolutionary phase, and established itself as the status quo, is actually a totalitarian state any more; however, that is neither here nor there.

Do the Conservatives sound like a party that wish to entirely dismantle Canada's government and Canadian society, and reshape it into their own autocratic totalitarian playground? Is Canada in a state of revolution? Have we ever been?

The answer to all those questions is no. I'd suggest taking some classes on IR theory, so you don't ever lodge your foot so far down your again when discussing this topic.

[San Lumen]

I don't get why anyone votes for the Bloc Québécois on the federal level. It seems like a wasted vote and a waste of seat.

[Canadian Davsland]

I find it very disappointing that you didn't bother to learn what fascism actually means before you started plastering it all over things you don't like. Seriously, the Tories are not fascist; not even close.

nah, man. All they need to know about fascism is to watch that one scene in big lebowski where the dud gets a coffee mug thrown at his head. Seriously, it's as overused as terms like "brainwashed".

I think authoritarian asses is a better term for them anyways.

I agree. And their asses are going to get tossed out on Oct 19.

[Canadian Davsland]

I know what fascism is, and the Tories in Canada fit the description well.

Fascism in practice creates an autocratic totalitarian regime. Given that Canada is a democracy, and given that the Tories have shown absolutely no interesting in deconsolidating Canada's democracy, they are (objectively speaking) not a fascist party.

On a broader scale, fascist parties seek to overturn the status quo at all level of society. They subscribe to an official ideology which they use to legitimize the way they want to redistribute and use power, and which provides them with a blueprint on how to reshape society after their revolution tears down the old one. There is actually a matter of debate in the field about whether or not a totalitarian state which has concluded it's revolutionary phase, and established itself as the status quo, is actually a totalitarian state any more; however, that is neither here nor there.

Do the Conservatives sound like a party that wish to entirely dismantle Canada's government and Canadian society, and reshape it into their own autocratic totalitarian playground? Is Canada in a state of revolution? Have we ever been?

The answer to all those questions is no. I'd suggest taking some classes on IR theory, so you don't ever lodge your foot so far down your again when discussing this topic.

Actually yes, the Conservatives are doing exactly that to Canada. They are taking away our rights, oppressing the people of Canada, and changing election rules to suit their own needs. But their authoritarian butts are OUT on Oct 19.

[Geilinor]

1- Which I'm pretty sure I do, thank you.
2. Yeah, I'd be on of the, probably, few not supporting that.

3- And yet people with those names, still find work here, in my country. Maybe that's the cultural difference, and if so fine, but the name in my mind is not say important as communicating to me. I might be wrong in this, but I think it's more important to understand the person, than what his/her name is.

1- Wonderful.

3- What country is that? The only Western nation that does not face problems with the assimilation and integration of Muslims that I can think of is, ironically enough, America. Mostly due to its lack of Muslim ghettoization, its average immigrant's higher economic class than that of Europe's, and the lack of a significant Muslim minority. All conditions that do not exist on the Old Continent.

Unless if you are from a non-Western nation.

And do you know what? America doesn't police what people can name their kids. Neither does Canada.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

I find it very disappointing with the amount of support for the PCs on here after Bill C-51.

Someone made a bunch of puppets to skew this poll, and artificially inflate Harper's support.
*snip*

Or you know, people are in line with the 31% of fucking Canada that supports them? Or the majourity of the Populations of Europe who are mostly run by Centre Right parties and voted for them? Or you know everyone not a leftist?

[Olerand]

1- Wonderful.

3- What country is that? The only Western nation that does not face problems with the assimilation and integration of Muslims that I can think of is, ironically enough, America. Mostly due to its lack of Muslim ghettoization, its average immigrant's higher economic class than that of Europe's, and the lack of a significant Muslim minority. All conditions that do not exist on the Old Continent.

Unless if you are from a non-Western nation.

And do you know what? America doesn't police what people can name their kids. Neither does Canada.

Neither does France (with exceptions for names deemed "harmful to the child", as in silly names), nor Britain (potentially with exceptions), or Germany (potentially with exceptions), or Denmark (potentially with exceptions) etc. So I don't think America's loose regulations concerning infant naming is a boon to America, and not found in other nations.

[Fanosolia]

nah, man. All they need to know about fascism is to watch that one scene in big lebowski where the dud gets a coffee mug thrown at his head. Seriously, it's as overused as terms like "brainwashed".

I think authoritarian asses is a better term for them anyways.

I agree. And their asses are going to get tossed out on Oct 19.

Damn I thought I was excited, but you take it to a whole new level.

[Canadian Davsland]

I agree. And their asses are going to get tossed out on Oct 19.

Damn I thought I was excited, but you take it to a whole new level.

Thanks. I checked the polls today, it says the Liberals have a good lead over the authoritarian Neo Con CPC. It also said the Liberals might win up to 145 seats and a strong Minority.

[Fanosolia]

Damn I thought I was excited, but you take it to a whole new level.

Thanks. I checked the polls today, it says the Liberals have a good lead over the authoritarian Neo Con CPC. It also said the Liberals might win up to 145 seats and a strong Minority.

Meh, better than the cons.

[Canadian Davsland]

Thanks. I checked the polls today, it says the Liberals have a good lead over the authoritarian Neo Con CPC. It also said the Liberals might win up to 145 seats and a strong Minority.

Meh, better than the cons.

True. And the Liberals are making gains in Quebec and Ontario especially Toronto where it is turning back into a Liberal fortress.

[Nation of Quebec]

Meh, better than the cons.

True. And the Liberals are making gains in Quebec and Ontario especially Toronto where it is turning back into a Liberal fortress.

I predicted earlier that the Liberals are coming back in Ottawa, Toronto, and the 905 with a vengeance this time. Not only will they take back the seats they lost in 2011, they will gain some Conservative seats. Looks for ridings like Vaughn-Woodbridge, Peterborough—Kawartha (the riding of convicted fraudster Dean Del Mastro), Bay of Quinte, Gelgarry-Prescott-Russell, Nepean to all turn red.

Some polls have the Liberals up over the Conservatives by 10% in Ontario and it's Ontario where the outcome of this election will be decided.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

No thank you, I'd like Sauga to stay blue.

[Nation of Quebec]

No thank you, I'd like Sauga to stay blue.

The polls disagree with you and so does former Mississauga mayor Hazel McCallion, who recently endorsed Justin Trudeau.

[Grunberg-Ludbach]

I want to like the Tories, if only because the opposition is utter shit. That said, the Tories are incompetent, corrupt, economically not conservative, and just apathetic. The Liberals and NDP are just too left wing and economically/socially impractical for my own taste, the Greens are....Greens.

As a Briton, I'll give my reluctant support to the Tories, I guess. Not that I'm happy about it.

[Fanosolia]

I want to like the Tories, if only because the opposition is utter shit. That said, the Tories are incompetent, corrupt, economically not conservative, and just apathetic. The Liberals and NDP are just too left wing and economically/socially impractical for my own taste, the Greens are....Greens.

As a Briton, I'll give my reluctant support to the Tories, I guess. Not that I'm happy about it.

*raise hand* what do you mean the greens are greens? Is that to say that they're so far left that even ndp and liberals seem tame? :

[Canadian Davsland]

I want to like the Tories, if only because the opposition is utter shit. That said, the Tories are incompetent, corrupt, economically not conservative, and just apathetic. The Liberals and NDP are just too left wing and economically/socially impractical for my own taste, the Greens are....Greens.

As a Briton, I'll give my reluctant support to the Tories, I guess. Not that I'm happy about it.

*raise hand* what do you mean the greens are greens? Is that to say that they're so far left that even ndp and liberals seem tame? :

The Greens are actually to the right, even more than the NDP.

[Canadian Davsland]

True. And the Liberals are making gains in Quebec and Ontario especially Toronto where it is turning back into a Liberal fortress.

I predicted earlier that the Liberals are coming back in Ottawa, Toronto, and the 905 with a vengeance this time. Not only will they take back the seats they lost in 2011, they will gain some Conservative seats. Looks for ridings like Vaughn-Woodbridge, Peterborough—Kawartha (the riding of convicted fraudster Dean Del Mastro), Bay of Quinte, Gelgarry-Prescott-Russell, Nepean to all turn red.

Some polls have the Liberals up over the Conservatives by 10% in Ontario and it's Ontario where the outcome of this election will be decided.

Yeah. Not to mention Atlantic canada will also be a Liberal stronghold again, and the they are gaining ground in Quebec (mainly in Montreal)

[Fanosolia]

*raise hand* what do you mean the greens are greens? Is that to say that they're so far left that even ndp and liberals seem tame? :

The Greens are actually to the right, even more than the NDP.

Really? How so?

[Canadian Davsland]

The Greens are actually to the right, even more than the NDP.

Really? How so?

The greens fiscal polices are considered to be conservative.

[Greed and Death]

the PM has annouced Expats will be blocked from voting in this election.

This is predicted to give the tories the victory, and keep Harper in power because of Canada's large number of expats.