2015 Canadian Election

[Hansberg]

The problem with First Past the Post is that it is not fully representative of the population. Only 39% of eligible voters voted Conservative in the last election. That means that the majority of voters voted for other parties, yet we ended up with a Conservative majority.

I personally favor ranked ballots over PR and I'm pleased that Trudeau has promised reforms to our voting system. In his short time as Liberal leader, he has done more for democratic reform than Harper has in the 9 years he's been in power.

I liked the Liberal Party till I found out that they were supporting Bill C-51. I really don't mind them but that made me go for the NDP.

Is Bill C-51 really as repugnant and "awful" as people make it out to be? The bill doesn't say "let's take away the freedoms of Canadians in the name of anti terrorism."

[Democratic Socialist States of Africa]

I liked the Liberal Party till I found out that they were supporting Bill C-51. I really don't mind them but that made me go for the NDP.

Is Bill C-51 really as repugnant and "awful" as people make it out to be? The bill doesn't say "let's take away the freedoms of Canadians in the name of anti terrorism."

http://thewalrus.ca/bill-c-51-the-good- ... ruly-ugly/

[Geilinor]

Is Bill C-51 really as repugnant and "awful" as people make it out to be? The bill doesn't say "let's take away the freedoms of Canadians in the name of anti terrorism."

http://thewalrus.ca/bill-c-51-the-good- ... ruly-ugly/

The obvious thinking is that such a system simply builds on the conventional role of judges in issuing search warrants. However, here again, the analogy is approximate. In the world of search and seizure, judicial warrants are designed to prevent—not authorize—Charter violations. That is because the Charter privacy protection is qualified: the Charter protects against “unreasonable” searches and seizures, and any search under a warrant is prima facie proper. “Unreasonable,” in this context, typically means without warrant.
But other Charter rights—including those endangered by CSIS’s broadened powers—are dramatically different. For instance, there is no concept of “reasonable” cruel and unusual punishment under the Charter: it is an absolute right. To imagine that a court can pre-authorize a violation of this right—as C-51 apparently would allow the court to do—is to fundamentally misunderstand the way our constitution works.
Here we get to a major conceptual problem with C-51: Section 1 of the Charter allows rights to be invaded where such invasion is “reasonable” in a free and democratic society, but only when “prescribed by law”—which usually means specified by statute—on top of being justified by a rigorous legal test. A judge who is presented with a warrant application from CSIS is in no position to invent a new exception to a Charter right. Which is to say: Nothing in our constitutional tradition suggests that a judge is competent, by warrant, to “prescribe by law” a Section 1 Charter exception on an ad hoc basis.

I'm not too familiar with Canadian law, but it says that the Charter allows reasonable search and seizure but then it says that it violates the Charter.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/po ... html#polls

Looks like the Tories have really lost momentum, and the NDP have gone up a bit. The Liberals have been doing pretty well since the debate, but it is going to be interesting to see how Trudeau's deficit strategy plays out.

[Napkiraly]

So a government scientist was put on paid leave for this. I think it shows just how much he has pushed a once apolitical community (government scientists) where some are now willing to risk their careers to speak out against him. I mean it also isn't surprising, given actual protests by scientists against the government; though if I recall correctly those weren't government scientists but were university or private based ones protesting in their behalf. This, that branch of the RCL launching an 'Anyone But Harper' campaign, along with the various other shenanigans. I'm honestly wondering how anyone can look at all of this and go "Yep, still PM material".

[Camicon]

So a government scientist was put on paid leave for this.

What kind of bullshit is this?

Hey, Harper, we're not Turkey and you're not Erdogan. Fuck off.

[MERIZoC]

So a government scientist was put on paid leave for this. I think it shows just how much he has pushed a once apolitical community (government scientists) where some are now willing to risk their careers to speak out against him. I mean it also isn't surprising, given actual protests by scientists against the government; though if I recall correctly those weren't government scientists but were university or private based ones protesting in their behalf. This, that branch of the RCL launching an 'Anyone But Harper' campaign, along with the various other shenanigans. I'm honestly wondering how anyone can look at all of this and go "Yep, still PM material".

Dammit, was about to post that.

[Geilinor]

Harper is just desperate. He's criticized Trudeau for pledging to run small deficits when he ran small deficits for 8 years. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-liberals-infrastructure-deficits-1.3205535 Harper has a degree in economics and the economy is what could lose him the election.

[Nation of Quebec]

Is anyone else sick of election ads yet?

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/poll-tracker/2015/index.html#polls

Looks like the Tories have really lost momentum, and the NDP have gone up a bit. The Liberals have been doing pretty well since the debate, but it is going to be interesting to see how Trudeau's deficit strategy plays out.

Funny how some Conservative partisans are thinking that the Liberals are going to be destroyed after this election. Harper made a serious mistake in underestimating Trudeau. Only time will tell if the decline in Conservative support of the past three polls (Forum, EKOS, Ispos) is the beginning of a new trend.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada- ... -1.3206184

[Fanosolia]

Is anyone else sick of election ads yet?

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/poll-tracker/2015/index.html#polls

Looks like the Tories have really lost momentum, and the NDP have gone up a bit. The Liberals have been doing pretty well since the debate, but it is going to be interesting to see how Trudeau's deficit strategy plays out.

Funny how some Conservative partisans are thinking that the Liberals are going to be destroyed after this election. Harper made a serious mistake in underestimating Trudeau. Only time will tell if the decline in Conservative support of the past three polls (Forum, EKOS, Ispos) is the beginning of a new trend.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada- ... -1.3206184

Honestly I haven't seen any since that childish job interview ad.

Honestly I hope this is the case. I totally can get behind an ndp government with a liberal opposition or vice versa. This is admit-ably a selfish desire since I tend to fine myself agreeing them the most on platforms and issues, but maybe some good can come out of it.

[Nation of Quebec]

Is anyone else sick of election ads yet?



Funny how some Conservative partisans are thinking that the Liberals are going to be destroyed after this election. Harper made a serious mistake in underestimating Trudeau. Only time will tell if the decline in Conservative support of the past three polls (Forum, EKOS, Ispos) is the beginning of a new trend.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada- ... -1.3206184

Honestly I haven't seen any since that childish job interview ad.

Honestly I hope this is the case. I totally can get behind an ndp government with a liberal opposition or vice versa. This is admit-ably a selfish desire since I tend to fine myself agreeing them the most on platforms and issues, but maybe some good can come out of it.

I've actually seen a couple Liberal ones - the one with Trudeau walking around in Ottawa. Haven't seen any NDP ads and I've lost count over how many times I've seen that annoying and condescending Conservative job ad one.

I despise partisan politics, but the way the Conservatives have been conducting themselves since they got their majority have really made it difficult for me to even consider what they have to say without a healthy dose of skepticism. It's a shame because there still are a few good people left in the party like Stephen Fletcher, Michael Chong, and Brent Rathenburger (before he left to become an independent) that haven't been completely taken over by partisan politics. The late Jim Flaherty was respected for being an advocate for people with disabilities and speaking out against Harper's wasteful income-splitting policy. It is my hope that after this election, the true Progressive Conservatives make a comeback.

[Fanosolia]

Honestly I haven't seen any since that childish job interview ad.

Honestly I hope this is the case. I totally can get behind an ndp government with a liberal opposition or vice versa. This is admit-ably a selfish desire since I tend to fine myself agreeing them the most on platforms and issues, but maybe some good can come out of it.

I've actually seen a couple Liberal ones - the one with Trudeau walking around in Ottawa. Haven't seen any NDP ads and I've lost count over how many times I've seen that annoying and condescending Conservative job ad one.

I despise partisan politics, but the way the Conservatives have been conducting themselves since they got their majority have really made it difficult for me to even consider what they have to say without a healthy dose of skepticism. It's a shame because there still are a few good people left in the party like Stephen Fletcher, Michael Chong, and Brent Rathenburger (before he left to become an independent) that haven't been completely taken over by partisan politics. The late Jim Flaherty was respected for being an advocate for people with disabilities and speaking out against Harper's wasteful income-splitting policy. It is my hope that after this election, the true Progressive Conservatives make a comeback.

Hmm I don't think I've seen that one. I mean I have seen a few ndps, but that's because I've frequented their site recently.

Yeah, can't blame you there. I don't know much about the progressive conservatives other than helping from both the Conservatives and progressive Canada. Though from what i've heard I'd prefer the types of chaps you mentioned, over what we have.

[The Greater Union of Kinnota]

What's with the poll? Looks to be that either someone jacked it, or there's just really a lot of support for the conservatives all of a sudden...

[Great Franconia and Verana]

http://www.liberal.ca/candidates/

Cool Graphic from the Liberals to show off some of their Economic star candidates. Say what you will about the Liberals, they have a very impressive team.

[Fanosolia]

What's with the poll? Looks to be that either someone jacked it, or there's just really a lot of support for the conservatives all of a sudden...

I don't know it doesn't seem too surprising given the general polls right now http://www.electionalmanac.com/ea/canad ... ojections/

I can't really be for sure why though, given NSG's reputation.

[Nation of Quebec]

I've actually seen a couple Liberal ones - the one with Trudeau walking around in Ottawa. Haven't seen any NDP ads and I've lost count over how many times I've seen that annoying and condescending Conservative job ad one.

I despise partisan politics, but the way the Conservatives have been conducting themselves since they got their majority have really made it difficult for me to even consider what they have to say without a healthy dose of skepticism. It's a shame because there still are a few good people left in the party like Stephen Fletcher, Michael Chong, and Brent Rathenburger (before he left to become an independent) that haven't been completely taken over by partisan politics. The late Jim Flaherty was respected for being an advocate for people with disabilities and speaking out against Harper's wasteful income-splitting policy. It is my hope that after this election, the true Progressive Conservatives make a comeback.

Hmm I don't think I've seen that one. I mean I have seen a few ndps, but that's because I've frequented their site recently.

Yeah, can't blame you there. I don't know much about the progressive conservatives other than helping from both the Conservatives and progressive Canada. Though from what i've heard I'd prefer the types of chaps you mentioned, over what we have.

The PCs weren't perfect, but they were sure a hell of a lot better than what we have now. It's a damn shame that MacKay sold them out to the Reform Party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressi ... _of_Canada

Sadly the people I previously mentioned are usually drowned out by the talking points and rhetoric from hyper-partisans like Chris Alexander and Pierre Pollivere.

[Napkiraly]

Having the PC's back would be a fucking God send. I hope the Reform type fade into obscurity; we need a sane and respectable conservative party not the GOP lite.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

So a government scientist was put on paid leave for this. I think it shows just how much he has pushed a once apolitical community (government scientists) where some are now willing to risk their careers to speak out against him. I mean it also isn't surprising, given actual protests by scientists against the government; though if I recall correctly those weren't government scientists but were university or private based ones protesting in their behalf. This, that branch of the RCL launching an 'Anyone But Harper' campaign, along with the various other shenanigans. I'm honestly wondering how anyone can look at all of this and go "Yep, still PM material".

You would think that by now that the wiki on the Streisand Effect would be required reading for the Tory political comissariat, given the number of self-inflicted wounds they've dealt themselves over the years.

[Geilinor]

What's with the poll? Looks to be that either someone jacked it, or there's just really a lot of support for the conservatives all of a sudden...

I think someone jacked it. There's no way NSG can be more conservative than real life.

[Geilinor]

Having the PC's back would be a fucking God send. I hope the Reform type fade into obscurity; we need a sane and respectable conservative party not the GOP lite.

The Progressive Canadian Party just needs to get itself together. I hope people defect from the Conservatives when they lose.

[Napkiraly]

What's with the poll? Looks to be that either someone jacked it, or there's just really a lot of support for the conservatives all of a sudden...

I think someone jacked it. There's no way NSG can be more conservative than real life.

Yeah it was most likely jacked.

[Fanosolia]

Hmm I don't think I've seen that one. I mean I have seen a few ndps, but that's because I've frequented their site recently.

Yeah, can't blame you there. I don't know much about the progressive conservatives other than helping from both the Conservatives and progressive Canada. Though from what i've heard I'd prefer the types of chaps you mentioned, over what we have.

The PCs weren't perfect, but they were sure a hell of a lot better than what we have now. It's a damn shame that MacKay sold them out to the Reform Party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressi ... _of_Canada

Sadly the people I previously mentioned are usually drowned out by the talking points and rhetoric from hyper-partisans like Chris Alexander and Pierre Pollivere.

Oh them and Progressive Canadian Party is much preferred over what we've got as the face of the right at the moment. It's like how I see the US's modern whig party, I'd probably wouldn't vote for them, but I can respect them enough to want them to be in the congress over the Republicans. I particularly like the fact that they had noblesse oblige as a key principle (The idea that with wealth, power, and prestige come responsibilities.)

[Napkiraly]

Having the PC's back would be a fucking God send. I hope the Reform type fade into obscurity; we need a sane and respectable conservative party not the GOP lite.

The Progressive Canadian Party just needs to get itself together. I hope people defect from the Conservatives when they lose.

Hopefully.

On that note, I encountered someone who said that Harper has turned Canada into a socialist society. I---I---fuck it. I expect more from my fellow Canadians and their intelligence.

[Fanosolia]

The Progressive Canadian Party just needs to get itself together. I hope people defect from the Conservatives when they lose.

Hopefully.

On that note, I encountered someone who said that Harper has turned Canada into a socialist society. I---I---fuck it. I expect more from my fellow Canadians and their intelligence.

... That's like saying W Bush was a freaking commie how does one encounter someone like that?

[Napkiraly]

Hopefully.

On that note, I encountered someone who said that Harper has turned Canada into a socialist society. I---I---fuck it. I expect more from my fellow Canadians and their intelligence.

... That's like saying W Bush was a freaking commie how does one encounter someone like that?

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