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Who will you vote for in the federal election?

Conservative (Stephen Harper)
156
30%
Liberal (Justin Trudeau)
117
23%
NDP (Thomas Mulcair)
132
25%
Green Party (Elizabeth May)
25
5%
Bloc Québécois (Gilles Duceppe)
25
5%
Other party please specify
11
2%
Undecided
9
2%
I'm not voting
44
8%
 
Total votes : 519

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Canadian Davsland
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Postby Canadian Davsland » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:57 pm

greed and death wrote:the PM has annouced Expats will be blocked from voting in this election.

This is predicted to give the tories the victory, and keep Harper in power because of Canada's large number of expats.


Doubt that. if anything, it will solidify the vote against Harper. Plus that is another attempt by Harper to block Canadians rights to vote.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:57 pm

greed and death wrote:the PM has annouced Expats will be blocked from voting in this election.

This is predicted to give the tories the victory, and keep Harper in power because of Canada's large number of expats.


How the heck can he do that? I don;t imagine that will go over very big with the voting public. You have a source for that?
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Nation of Quebec
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Postby Nation of Quebec » Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:11 pm

Canadian Davsland wrote:
greed and death wrote:the PM has annouced Expats will be blocked from voting in this election.

This is predicted to give the tories the victory, and keep Harper in power because of Canada's large number of expats.


Doubt that. if anything, it will solidify the vote against Harper. Plus that is another attempt by Harper to block Canadians rights to vote.


It's another law of theirs that I think we'll see repealed if the Liberals or NDP get into power.
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Canadian Davsland
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Postby Canadian Davsland » Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:13 pm

Nation of Quebec wrote:
Canadian Davsland wrote:
Doubt that. if anything, it will solidify the vote against Harper. Plus that is another attempt by Harper to block Canadians rights to vote.


It's another law of theirs that I think we'll see repealed if the Liberals or NDP get into power.


Yeah. The liberals are looking likely to win, and if the NDP join the Liberals in a coalition, the RefCons laws will be finished.
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Postby The imperial canadian dutchy » Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:13 pm

greed and death wrote:the PM has annouced Expats will be blocked from voting in this election.

This is predicted to give the tories the victory, and keep Harper in power because of Canada's large number of expats.

Good.
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Canadian Davsland
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Postby Canadian Davsland » Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:16 pm

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:
greed and death wrote:the PM has annouced Expats will be blocked from voting in this election.

This is predicted to give the tories the victory, and keep Harper in power because of Canada's large number of expats.

Good.


I doubt that happened. And it will only solidify support against harper and his RefCons.
I support Left Wing Socialism, and I am Anti Capitalism, I support Egalitarianism, and I support Socialist Libertarianism. I also believe corporatism is a poison in the world, and is unfair to the poor and middle class.

SOCIALISTS OF NATIONSTATES, UNITE!!!
I am a Supporter of the Anti-austerity strikes and Left Wing Socialist parties in Europe. Socialism is the system of the people.
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Postby Grunberg-Ludbach » Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:19 pm

Canadian Davsland wrote:
The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:Good.


I doubt that happened. And it will only solidify support against harper and his RefCons.


It's Greed and Death, he makes up these claims for jokes all the time.

People fall for it quite often lol.
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Postby Canadian Davsland » Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:22 pm

Grunberg-Ludbach wrote:
Canadian Davsland wrote:
I doubt that happened. And it will only solidify support against harper and his RefCons.


It's Greed and Death, he makes up these claims for jokes all the time.

People fall for it quite often lol.


True, but these remarks are usually targeted to their radical, and far right base.
I support Left Wing Socialism, and I am Anti Capitalism, I support Egalitarianism, and I support Socialist Libertarianism. I also believe corporatism is a poison in the world, and is unfair to the poor and middle class.

SOCIALISTS OF NATIONSTATES, UNITE!!!
I am a Supporter of the Anti-austerity strikes and Left Wing Socialist parties in Europe. Socialism is the system of the people.
Economic Left/Right: -10.00, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.27

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:27 pm

Most likely. Plus i don;t get why anyone would vote the BQ in Quebec it seems like a wasted vote and a waste of a riding. It's not like they can get anything done for the province as they only run in Quebec. That being said I hope the Liberals get a majority government. Harper needs to go. It would be amazing if he and his whole cabinet lost their seats.

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Postby Maineiacs » Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:46 pm

Canadian Davsland wrote:
Grunberg-Ludbach wrote:
It's Greed and Death, he makes up these claims for jokes all the time.

People fall for it quite often lol.


True, but these remarks are usually targeted to their radical, and far right base.



I wasn't aware Canada had a far right.
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Postby Camicon » Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:47 pm

Canadian Davsland wrote:
Camicon wrote:Fascism in practice creates an autocratic totalitarian regime. Given that Canada is a democracy, and given that the Tories have shown absolutely no interesting in deconsolidating Canada's democracy, they are (objectively speaking) not a fascist party.

On a broader scale, fascist parties seek to overturn the status quo at all level of society. They subscribe to an official ideology which they use to legitimize the way they want to redistribute and use power, and which provides them with a blueprint on how to reshape society after their revolution tears down the old one. There is actually a matter of debate in the field about whether or not a totalitarian state which has concluded it's revolutionary phase, and established itself as the status quo, is actually a totalitarian state any more; however, that is neither here nor there.

Do the Conservatives sound like a party that wish to entirely dismantle Canada's government and Canadian society, and reshape it into their own autocratic totalitarian playground? Is Canada in a state of revolution? Have we ever been?

The answer to all those questions is no. I'd suggest taking some classes on IR theory, so you don't ever lodge your foot so far down your again when discussing this topic.


Actually yes, the Conservatives are doing exactly that to Canada. They are taking away our rights, oppressing the people of Canada, and changing election rules to suit their own needs. But their authoritarian butts are OUT on Oct 19.

You're going to have to find some actual sources to back up your bullshit. And no, your ass does not count as a source.
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Postby Czechanada » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:05 pm

greed and death wrote:the PM has annouced Expats will be blocked from voting in this election.

This is predicted to give the tories the victory, and keep Harper in power because of Canada's large number of expats.


Would you happen to have a source? I'd like to share such news.
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Postby Murkwood » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:46 pm

Harper is too left-wing, but he's the best of the bunch.
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Postby New Werpland » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:49 pm

Murkwood wrote:Harper is too left-wing, but he's the best of the bunch.

Would you support Mulcair if he were a socially conservative Catholic?
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Postby Murkwood » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:52 pm

New Werpland wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Harper is too left-wing, but he's the best of the bunch.

Would you support Mulcair if he were a socially conservative Catholic?

If he were Pro-life, yes. A Catholic cannot, in good faith, pick anyone else over a Pro-lifer.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Kelinfort » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:54 pm

Murkwood wrote:Harper is too left-wing, but he's the best of the bunch.

Holy shit, you're alive.

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Postby Murkwood » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:54 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Harper is too left-wing, but he's the best of the bunch.

Holy shit, you're alive.

I'm less active, but, yes, you could say that.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Atlanticatia » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:04 pm

So it seems like the Liberals now have a strong, healthy lead...really hope that the Tories don't end up the largest party.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:22 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD5FAzv ... e=youtu.be This ad from the Liberals is very good. I think Trudeau has really grown as a leader throughout the campaign. I also like the populist tone. He'd make a good Prime Minister.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:25 pm

Murkwood wrote:Harper is too left-wing, but he's the best of the bunch.

Too left-wing? Well, you would say that.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:41 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:So it seems like the Liberals now have a strong, healthy lead...really hope that the Tories don't end up the largest party.

I hope so too and i don't live in Canada. I know someone who lives in Ottawa though.

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Postby Canadian Davsland » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:22 pm

Maineiacs wrote:
Canadian Davsland wrote:
True, but these remarks are usually targeted to their radical, and far right base.



I wasn't aware Canada had a far right.


Unfortunately we do. Canada is not immune to far right conservatism.
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Canadian Davsland
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Postby Canadian Davsland » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:22 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Harper is too left-wing, but he's the best of the bunch.

Too left-wing? Well, you would say that.


Harper is far right, not left wing.
I support Left Wing Socialism, and I am Anti Capitalism, I support Egalitarianism, and I support Socialist Libertarianism. I also believe corporatism is a poison in the world, and is unfair to the poor and middle class.

SOCIALISTS OF NATIONSTATES, UNITE!!!
I am a Supporter of the Anti-austerity strikes and Left Wing Socialist parties in Europe. Socialism is the system of the people.
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Postby Camicon » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:23 pm

Canadian Davsland wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Too left-wing? Well, you would say that.


Harper is far right, not left wing.

Depends on which political scale you stick him on. In American politics he'd be centre, maybe centre-left.
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Postby Canadian Davsland » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:24 pm

Camicon wrote:
Canadian Davsland wrote:
Actually yes, the Conservatives are doing exactly that to Canada. They are taking away our rights, oppressing the people of Canada, and changing election rules to suit their own needs. But their authoritarian butts are OUT on Oct 19.

You're going to have to find some actual sources to back up your bullshit. And no, your ass does not count as a source.


http://westcoastnativenews.com/stephen- ... oundation/ here's your proof.
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SOCIALISTS OF NATIONSTATES, UNITE!!!
I am a Supporter of the Anti-austerity strikes and Left Wing Socialist parties in Europe. Socialism is the system of the people.
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