[US Election 2016] Democratic Primary Megathread

[Deuxtete]

You have trouble reading. I don't support deportation.
You've never held a job, because illegal immigrants usually work for small businesses...big business, wow.
The economics of illegals is fundamental to the health of our economy, dude...we need them, dude, you get that dude??? They pay taxes, they pay billions into social Security they will never collect, and when there are no jobs for them they don't come dude, you get that?
Illegal immigration has been a positive facet of the US economy for the last 100 years dude.

Me not liking Hillary over trump isn't the same as agreeing with everything he says. That's the difference between a thinking considered voter and a slackjawwed fucking moron who just follows the party line like its a religion.

Fucking kids.

If you would consider voting for Trump, then you are fine with it, son. I am at least twice as old as you are and far the wiser. Now take your potty mouth and wash it out with some Saniflush and Vanish.

Wiser, you're barely literate.
And since we're all fine with everything who we might for for had done, and I don't see claim to have a dog in the fight...you not voting this election? Not got that card mailed in yet Grandpa?
Maybe after your balls drop, dude.
Little tip for you junior, grown men don't type shit like "sound of door slamming shut".

[The Guaranteed Eternal Sanctuary Man]

If you would consider voting for Trump, then you are fine with it, son. I am at least twice as old as you are and far the wiser. Now take your potty mouth and wash it out with some Saniflush and Vanish.

Wiser, you're barely literate.
And since we're all fine with everything who we might for for had done, and I don't see claim to have a dog in the fight...you not voting this election? Not got that card mailed in yet Grandpa?
Maybe after your balls drop, dude.
Little tip for you junior, grown men don't type shit like "sound of door slamming shut".

You write "Might for for have done" and claim others to be illiterate. As I said you are a hypocrite. Your ignorance is only eclipsed by your ugliness and, oh yeah, the hypocrisy.

Maybe you might wanna run along home about now before you are on the outside looking in, if it's not too late already.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Bernie Sanders' speech to the DNC meeting in Minnesota.

An excellent outing for him. Despite some predictions that the anti-establishment candidate might get a chilly reception from the DNC, the very symbol of establishment Democratic politics, Sanders was met with repeated applause and chants of his name. I think that he may have picked up some support (or at least increased interest) from the moderates.

[Hetalia Dakota 2 II]

I'm so tired of hearing about Sanders and Trump. Bush and Clintin as well, what has happened this election cycle?

[Northern Davincia]

I'm so tired of hearing about Sanders and Trump. Bush and Clintin as well, what has happened this election cycle?

The establishment.

[Deuxtete]

Yup. Just as I thought.
Trump shifts on positions...but so does Hillary, but of course you being completely incapable of honest comparison ignore that.

The "no you source it" is really tired and infantile. If want a discussion, you'd be happy to type into Google, I'm on a phone. And if you're too lazy to look because you think that some how weakens my position, you're beneath me. Not to mention, you've yet to source a single claim you've made, you've yet to make a single positive statement about Hilary.

Finally, I used intellectual dishonesty perfectly right, hence your butthurt response...which was yet again a rather droll attack on Trump as if attacking a candidate I don't support is supposed to wound me.

So at this point, I see the reason I'm supposed to think Hillary is better is because group think partisan zombies can attack her opponents and ignore her astoundingly similar behaviors, while being entirely incapable of saying anything about her of positive substance.
That's what's happened so far.

Basically, you've spent the entire time refuting trump, while acting like him.

1. Yes, Hillary shifts on positions. I'm not particularly defending her. However, her shifts are at least predictable, and tend to follow conventional wisdom, which means that I'm not afraid of her launching nukes because she felt slighted by the Canadian Prime Minister.

2. No, the "You source it" thing is how debates work. If you make a claim, you provide the source. It's unrealistic to expect me to do your research for you.

3. I'm not sure how you got butthurt from my pointing out that you used a phrase incorrectly, but I'm also not particularly worried over your equally mistaken take on my emotional state.

4. Hillary is better than Donald because, despite being an establishment, mainstream politician, she'll at least appoint Supreme Court justices who will overturn Citizens United and possibly roll back the decimation of voting rights, she actually has detailed plans for her proposals rather than giant promises with no details, and she's not stoking racist sentiments against Latinos and Hispanics.

Having said that, I still obviously prefer Sanders.

I see no details.
Trump has shifted his position against conventional wisdom on what exactly?

So Hillary is better because her campaign rhetoric is slightly less repugnant...wow you're right thats a huge difference.
Evidence Trump will arbitrarily use nuclear weapons or, just spurious emotional nonsense.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I'm so tired of hearing about Sanders and Trump. Bush and Clintin as well, what has happened this election cycle?

You should probably not be reading this thread or the Republican one, then.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

1. Yes, Hillary shifts on positions. I'm not particularly defending her. However, her shifts are at least predictable, and tend to follow conventional wisdom, which means that I'm not afraid of her launching nukes because she felt slighted by the Canadian Prime Minister.

2. No, the "You source it" thing is how debates work. If you make a claim, you provide the source. It's unrealistic to expect me to do your research for you.

3. I'm not sure how you got butthurt from my pointing out that you used a phrase incorrectly, but I'm also not particularly worried over your equally mistaken take on my emotional state.

4. Hillary is better than Donald because, despite being an establishment, mainstream politician, she'll at least appoint Supreme Court justices who will overturn Citizens United and possibly roll back the decimation of voting rights, she actually has detailed plans for her proposals rather than giant promises with no details, and she's not stoking racist sentiments against Latinos and Hispanics.

Having said that, I still obviously prefer Sanders.

I see no details.
Trump has shifted his position against conventional wisdom on what exactly?

So Hillary is better because her campaign rhetoric is slightly less repugnant...wow you're right Thad a huge difference.
Evidence Trump will arbitrarily use nuclear weapons or, just spurious emotional nonsense.

Sorry, I'm still waiting for the details on Trump's positions from you. Your best bet is probably his campaign website, though if he has actual plans, you should be able to find them in various news sources. For instance, I typed "Hillary Clinton economic plan" into Google, and got this reasonably detailed article from Time.

[The Guaranteed Eternal Sanctuary Man]

I see no details.
Trump has shifted his position against conventional wisdom on what exactly?

So Hillary is better because her campaign rhetoric is slightly less repugnant...wow you're right Thad a huge difference.
Evidence Trump will arbitrarily use nuclear weapons or, just spurious emotional nonsense.

Sorry, I'm still waiting for the details on Trump's positions from you. Your best bet is probably his campaign website, though if he has actual plans, you should be able to find them in various news sources. For instance, I typed "Hillary Clinton economic plan" into Google, and got this reasonably detailed article from Time.

Wow, a here's how the search engine works to find things tutorial. That was well played, my friend. You are a master.

Bazinga!

[Deuxtete]

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/27/news/ec ... index.html

I see no details.
Trump has shifted his position against conventional wisdom on what exactly?

So Hillary is better because her campaign rhetoric is slightly less repugnant...wow you're right Thad a huge difference.
Evidence Trump will arbitrarily use nuclear weapons or, just spurious emotional nonsense.

Sorry, I'm still waiting for the details on Trump's positions from you. Your best bet is probably his campaign website, though if he has actual plans, you should be able to find them in various news sources. For instance, I typed "Hillary Clinton economic plan" into Google, and got this reasonably detailed article from Time.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Sorry, I'm still waiting for the details on Trump's positions from you. Your best bet is probably his campaign website, though if he has actual plans, you should be able to find them in various news sources. For instance, I typed "Hillary Clinton economic plan" into Google, and got this reasonably detailed article from Time.

Wow, a here's how the search engine works to find things tutorial. That was well played, my friend. You are a master.

Bazinga!

If you don't understand exactly why I was taking him through the paces there--and, from your response, it seems that you do not understand that context--then it's best to refrain from comment.

[The Guaranteed Eternal Sanctuary Man]

Wow, a here's how the search engine works to find things tutorial. That was well played, my friend. You are a master.

Bazinga!

If you don't understand exactly why I was taking him through the paces there--and, from your response, it seems that you do not understand that context--then it's best to refrain from comment.

Well played, once again. Advice accepted with gratitude.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Sorry, I'm still waiting for the details on Trump's positions from you. Your best bet is probably his campaign website, though if he has actual plans, you should be able to find them in various news sources. For instance, I typed "Hillary Clinton economic plan" into Google, and got this reasonably detailed article from Time.

Oh, I see. You want me to answer your questions first despite the fact that you're utterly unwilling to show the same basic level of respect.

I have no idea what that first sentence is supposed to mean. Do you mean "Where are Donald Trump's comments against the conventional wisdom?" Well, I'd start with his idea that we're going to be able to figure out some way of rounding up 11 million people here illegally and ship them across the border without numerous violations of the Constitution and a drain on the treasury that would make Iraq look cost-effective. The nuclear weapon comment was hyperbole, a rhetorical device commonly used to express a point in a humorous manner. My apologies. I was under the impression that you were familiar with the concept, since it's regularly used in everyday speech.

[Hetalia Dakota 2 II]

I'm so tired of hearing about Sanders and Trump. Bush and Clintin as well, what has happened this election cycle?

You should probably not be reading this thread or the Republican one, then.

I'm just saying Bush and Clinton have been done and Sanders and Trump are polarizing yet everyone seems to be obsessed with talking about them. Why're we not focused on the other candidates like at all?

[Actan]

You should probably not be reading this thread or the Republican one, then.

I'm just saying Bush and Clinton have been done and Sanders and Trump are polarizing yet everyone seems to be obsessed with talking about them. Why're we not focused on the other candidates like at all?

Because to be totally honest they are the only ones talking about. Walker, I suppose, also has a chance but Trump leached a lot of his support.

[Hetaliland]

You should probably not be reading this thread or the Republican one, then.

I'm just saying Bush and Clinton have been done and Sanders and Trump are polarizing yet everyone seems to be obsessed with talking about them. Why're we not focused on the other candidates like at all?

Well, Sanders, cuz he actually makes alot of sense... and Trump cuz, well... Conservatives. Thats why...

[Hetalia Dakota 2 II]

I'm just saying Bush and Clinton have been done and Sanders and Trump are polarizing yet everyone seems to be obsessed with talking about them. Why're we not focused on the other candidates like at all?

Because to be totally honest they are the only ones talking about. Walker, I suppose, also has a chance but Trump leached a lot of his support.

I honestly am probably just extremely biased towards Biden and can't imagine voting for anyone else. I'm an odd voter though I was for Paul last cycle.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

You should probably not be reading this thread or the Republican one, then.

I'm just saying Bush and Clinton have been done and Sanders and Trump are polarizing yet everyone seems to be obsessed with talking about them. Why're we not focused on the other candidates like at all?

Like who?

If you combined the numbers of O'Malley, Webb, and Chafee, they'd equal about half of Sanders' support, and he's not even in first place. None of them are bringing anything particularly interesting or novel to the table.

I feel bad for the GOP candidates, as Donald has sucked up all of the attention. Even Bush is polling in single digits now. However, once again, none of them were bringing anything to the table in terms of policy, vision, or personality that hadn't already been covered in 2008 by that group.

[Actan]

Because to be totally honest they are the only ones talking about. Walker, I suppose, also has a chance but Trump leached a lot of his support.

I honestly am probably just extremely biased towards Biden and can't imagine voting for anyone else. I'm an odd voter though I was for Paul last cycle.

Why would you only vote for Biden? I don't really understand how someone would hold such a position.

That said Biden fills no niche. Clinton has the moderates and identity politics, while Sanders has the progressive wing.

[Actan]

I'm just saying Bush and Clinton have been done and Sanders and Trump are polarizing yet everyone seems to be obsessed with talking about them. Why're we not focused on the other candidates like at all?

Like who?

If you combined the numbers of O'Malley, Webb, and Chafee, they'd equal about half of Sanders' support, and he's not even in first place. None of them are bringing anything particularly interesting or novel to the table.

I feel bad for the GOP candidates, as Donald has sucked up all of the attention. Even Bush is polling in single digits now. However, once again, none of them were bringing anything to the table in terms of policy, vision, or personality that hadn't already been covered in 2008 by that group.

It's pretty bad Bush has even gotten this far, mostly due to the funding of millionaires. While comparatively moderate he just can't control his mouth, and says stupid shit constantly.

[Zoscua]

I honestly am probably just extremely biased towards Biden and can't imagine voting for anyone else. I'm an odd voter though I was for Paul last cycle.

Why would you only vote for Biden? I don't really understand how someone would hold such a position.

That said Biden fills no niche. Clinton has the moderates and identity politics, while Sanders has the progressive wing.

People who like Biden seem to be the type of people who agree with Clinton policy wise but hate her as a person.

[Hetalia Dakota 2 II]

I honestly am probably just extremely biased towards Biden and can't imagine voting for anyone else. I'm an odd voter though I was for Paul last cycle.

Why would you only vote for Biden? I don't really understand how someone would hold such a position.

That said Biden fills no niche. Clinton has the moderates and identity politics, while Sanders has the progressive wing.

I've always been a fan of Niden as a politician and his unfirtinate precious runs feel like they can finally lead to something now that he's been vice president, I feel he could bring a lot to the position and continue on Obama's policies while adding on his own.

[Actan]

Why would you only vote for Biden? I don't really understand how someone would hold such a position.

That said Biden fills no niche. Clinton has the moderates and identity politics, while Sanders has the progressive wing.

People who like Biden seem to be the type of people who agree with Clinton policy wise but hate her as a person.

Well, that's a lot more understandable, and I suppose Biden did not really support Obama's more poor actions.

[Hetalia Dakota 2 II]

Why would you only vote for Biden? I don't really understand how someone would hold such a position.

That said Biden fills no niche. Clinton has the moderates and identity politics, while Sanders has the progressive wing.

People who like Biden seem to be the type of people who agree with Clinton policy wise but hate her as a person.

Sadly that's me, to an extent, then again I've always liked Biden more so than Obama even.

[Marylandonia]

Because to be totally honest they are the only ones talking about. Walker, I suppose, also has a chance but Trump leached a lot of his support.

I honestly am probably just extremely biased towards Biden and can't imagine voting for anyone else. I'm an odd voter though I was for Paul last cycle.

i find Biden very appealing too. I wish him Godspeed with his grieving process. I think he feels the call to run, but needs more time to heal himself. He is wise and would be an excellent candidate to run against anyone in the GOP field. I originally supported him in 2007 when he announced, but was thrilled to see him become Veep. He would take some votes away from Bernie, but I feel he would hurt HRC the most and deny her the prize. He is the most experienced person out there right now and no one can question either his honesty nor his integrity. We'll see what he will decide Octoberish, I think.