[US Election 2016] Democratic Primary Megathread

[Camicon]

G-Tech, are you suggesting that humanity is in contact with a species that qualify as people, other than humans?

The smell of bullshit coming off your post is inescapable.

Not letting pedophiles marry the children they're raping or zoophiles marry the animals they're raping is proof that SSM isn't a fundamental right.

"How?" Look deep within yourself and reach into your ass, and eventually you'll pull out what they're passing off as logic.

All I've found so far is my lower intestine.

This is extremely uncomfortable.

About as uncomfortable as that Republican debate was, this night. Gonna love laughing at all the post-game tomorrow morning.

[USS Monitor]

I guess we probably should get back on topic, though.

Sanders would like that.

Nah, he's too busy railing against Wall Street to worry about off-topic NS posts.

[The Nuclear Fist]

That's what you'd like to call a heaping helping of cognitive dissidence. Of course anti-SSM isn't the same thing as anti-miscegenation, because they don't personally agree with anti-miscegenation. Therefor they're not comparable. Somehow.

We're discussing the concept that sexuality somehow isn't as inherent as ethnicity.

And I'm agreeing with your position. I'm saying, perhaps in not as clear a way as I wanted, that his position is pretty textbook cognitive dissidence. SSM isn't equal to miscegenation because he personally doesn't like SSM. Sexuality doesn't equal ethnicity because he personally doesn't feel like it should.

[Empire of Narnia]

Vote for Bernie Sanders.

[Conserative Morality]

Nah, he's too busy railing against Wall Street to worry about off-topic NS posts.

"These NS posts are too big! We gotta break 'em up!"

[The Nuclear Fist]

About as uncomfortable as that Republican debate was, this night. Gonna love laughing at all the post-game tomorrow morning.

I didn't manage to catch it, how'd it go?

[The Nuclear Fist]

Nah, he's too busy railing against Wall Street to worry about off-topic NS posts.

"These NS posts are too big! We gotta break 'em up!"

You only need 250 characters per post. If Twitter can do it, so can NS!

[Genivaria]

Being able to marry someone you love isn't a privilege. It's a right.

SCOTUS has even ruled that it's a right. Long before gay marriage.

Until gay marriage came along and then the Social Conservatives started calling it a privilege again.

[Myrensis]

Of course! The constant threat of violence and death is exciting! Haven't you watched television?

That's what you'd like to call a heaping helping of cognitive dissidence. Of course anti-SSM isn't the same thing as anti-miscegenation, because they don't personally agree with anti-miscegenation. Therefor they're not comparable. Somehow.

They don't personally agree with anti-miscegenation now, because grandma and grandpa lost that fight.

I suspect 30 years from now when their descendants are railing against some still safe to abuse minority for being non-traditional unnatural sinners they'll complain about how unfair it is to compare them to the misguided homophobes of the past.

Some of their best friends will probably even be gay!

[Camicon]

About as uncomfortable as that Republican debate was, this night. Gonna love laughing at all the post-game tomorrow morning.

I didn't manage to catch it, how'd it go?

The words "epically hilarious clusterfuck" spring to mind, but only because I don't live in America. If I did, those words would be "horrifying realization that half the country actually believes any of these certifiably insane man-children are preferable to Clinton or Sanders".

[USS Monitor]

Nah, he's too busy railing against Wall Street to worry about off-topic NS posts.

"These NS posts are too big! We gotta break 'em up!"

Now that you mention it, this thread is getting close to 500 pages. We have to break it up before it gets too big to fail.

[USS Monitor]

I didn't manage to catch it, how'd it go?

The words "epically hilarious clusterfuck" spring to mind, but only because I don't live in America. If I did, those words would be "horrifying realization that half the country actually believes any of these certifiably insane man-children are preferable to Clinton or Sanders".

I tried to watch, but I had to turn it off because it was too stupid and Rubio was just really annoying to listen to.

[Wallenburg]

"These NS posts are too big! We gotta break 'em up!"

Now that you mention it, this thread is getting close to 500 pages. We have to break it up before it gets too big to fail.

"If a thread is too big to fail, it is too big to exist. We have to break up the P2TM and II roleplays, and take our forums back from the hands of the roleplayer class! We have yuge forum inequality and it's sickening. I'm going to fight the big roleplays and protect equal rights for all NationStates players, not just a handful of RP elites."

#FeelTheBern

[USS Monitor]

Now that you mention it, this thread is getting close to 500 pages. We have to break it up before it gets too big to fail.

"If a thread is too big to fail, it is too big to exist. We have to break up the P2TM and II roleplays, and take our forums back from the hands of the roleplayer class! We have yuge forum inequality and it's sickening. I'm going to fight the big roleplays and protect equal rights for all NationStates players, not just a handful of RP elites."

#FeelTheBern

We need to raise taxes on TET, too.

[The United Territories of Providence]

This "discussion" on Supreme Court nominees and Equal Rights in regard to the LGBTQ community...if the Republicans believe what two nameless posters believe...That showcases the importance of why we must elect a Democrat in November. Whether that person is a principled progressive like Sanders, or someone who is committed to maintaining the Obama legacy and liberalism when it counts like Clinton. Because if these are the ideas floating around the GOP, that equal rights is as ridiculous as an idea as foreigners voting in American elections, or that marriage rights are comparable to pedophilia and bestiality, or that our Twice Democratically Elected President who is not only a Harvard Law Alumni but a Constitutional Law Professor...is incapable of nominating someone worthy of the court....In the words of the Late Great Antonin Scalia...Those viewpoints are "pure applesauce" nothing more than a bunch of "argle-bargle" that displays how "inchoate" the political opinions of our day have become.

In closing, being a bigot is hating people. Being an ass is hating common sense.

[New Chalcedon]

This "discussion" on Supreme Court nominees and Equal Rights in regard to the LGBTQ community...if the Republicans believe what two nameless posters believe...That showcases the importance of why we must elect a Democrat in November. Whether that person is a principled progressive like Sanders, or someone who is committed to maintaining the Obama legacy and liberalism when it counts like Clinton. Because if these are the ideas floating around the GOP, that equal rights is as ridiculous as an idea as foreigners voting in American elections, or that marriage rights are comparable to pedophilia and bestiality, or that our Twice Democratically Elected President who is not only a Harvard Law Alumni but a Constitutional Law Professor...is incapable of nominating someone worthy of the court....In the words of the Late Great Antonin Scalia...Those viewpoints are "pure applesauce" nothing more than a bunch of "argle-bargle" that displays how "inchoate" the political opinions of our day have become.

In closing, being a bigot is hating people. Being an ass is hating common sense.

The most glaringly hypocritical part of this opposition is that (a) Obama's already nominated two Justices, both of whom seem to be doing reasonably well, and (b) When a GOP President was trying to nominate Justices, they threatened to abolish the filibuster wholesale if the nominations were merely delayed, not even turned back!

[Myrensis]

Found this on another forum. Not a pundit or a politico, just an ordinary Sanders supporter reminding people that we face the real enemy after the nomination.

Okay, here's the thing with the Democratic primary: everyone imagines they are supporting the one candidate who can save us from the abyss and feel aggrieved and belittled by the other side. I am personally a Bernie Sanders supporter, but the truth is that this is not a battle between good and evil so much as an awkward contest between two animals who evolved in entirely different ecosystems.

Hillary Clinton is like a grizzled hunter in the Amazon. Every day is a battle for survival. She has suffered every venom and poison imaginable and from her time as being the wife of a Democratic governor in a red state to being Secretary of State to the most besieged administration in modern history, she has lived her entire life in a rainforest filled with things determined to kill her. Her political survival instincts have adapted accordingly.

Bernie Sanders is like a wallaby. He hails from the benign ecosystem known as Vermont, where he lacks any natural predators. He will be the beloved senator from Vermont for as long as he cares to be. So he hops around wherever he wants, unafraid that anyone might use his words to crucify him. Propose a $15 minimum wage? Just have a friendly chat with anyone who disagrees. Call yourself a "socialist?" Sure, why not? We're all friends here. On the other side of the world, though, if Hillary Clinton channels her inner Eleanor Roosevelt, the Republicans call it a seance. Write a few State Department e-mails from your personal server? Suddenly there's a major Congressional investigation, even though nobody cared when previous Secretaries of State did exactly the same thing.

Bernie's instincts have evolved so he feels no danger in exposing his head to say what he thinks, however far afield it may be from current political reality. Hillary's instincts, on the other hand, have adapted in a harsher environment, where extreme cautiousness and distrust are rewarded.

Likewise, the two candidates' strengths and weaknesses are a direct consequence of their respective environments. Three decades of jungle warfare against Republicans has left Hillary battle-tested and well-versed in the dark arts of political campaigning. She will, I have no doubt, annihilate whoever emerges from the Republican Convention and be drinking out of their skull by November. But at the same time, this experience has made her reticent to take strong positions, to say things that could be later used against her. She tends to "evolve" rather than stand on principle. Bernie has no such qualms, and has from the very beginning taken principled stands on the Iraq War, universal health insurance, gay marriage, etc. which while controversial at the time, have since been borne out by history. He is the forward-thinking visionary that Hillary is not, but he also seems naively unprepared for the shitwave of dirty tricks and false accusations that will come his way if and when he has to run a national campaign against a Donald Trump or a Ted Cruz.

I'm not telling you who to vote for in the Democratic primary. Thanks to decades of self-selecting news coverage, extreme right wing radio, and the derangement induced by the reality that the white male vote is no longer enough to carry national elections, the GOP field has been reduced to an incoherent fever dream of xenophobia and obsolescence. Either Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders would be infinitely preferable to anyone in that mental ward. This primary is not a choice between good and evil, as some Democrats have made it out to be, but rather the choice between different types of leaders, the visionary vs the tactician, whose approach to politics has largely been forged by differences in environment rather than character.

[Farnhamia]

Found this on another forum. Not a pundit or a politico, just an ordinary Sanders supporter reminding people that we face the real enemy after the nomination.

Okay, here's the thing with the Democratic primary: everyone imagines they are supporting the one candidate who can save us from the abyss and feel aggrieved and belittled by the other side. I am personally a Bernie Sanders supporter, but the truth is that this is not a battle between good and evil so much as an awkward contest between two animals who evolved in entirely different ecosystems.

Hillary Clinton is like a grizzled hunter in the Amazon. Every day is a battle for survival. She has suffered every venom and poison imaginable and from her time as being the wife of a Democratic governor in a red state to being Secretary of State to the most besieged administration in modern history, she has lived her entire life in a rainforest filled with things determined to kill her. Her political survival instincts have adapted accordingly.

Bernie Sanders is like a wallaby. He hails from the benign ecosystem known as Vermont, where he lacks any natural predators. He will be the beloved senator from Vermont for as long as he cares to be. So he hops around wherever he wants, unafraid that anyone might use his words to crucify him. Propose a $15 minimum wage? Just have a friendly chat with anyone who disagrees. Call yourself a "socialist?" Sure, why not? We're all friends here. On the other side of the world, though, if Hillary Clinton channels her inner Eleanor Roosevelt, the Republicans call it a seance. Write a few State Department e-mails from your personal server? Suddenly there's a major Congressional investigation, even though nobody cared when previous Secretaries of State did exactly the same thing.

Bernie's instincts have evolved so he feels no danger in exposing his head to say what he thinks, however far afield it may be from current political reality. Hillary's instincts, on the other hand, have adapted in a harsher environment, where extreme cautiousness and distrust are rewarded.

Likewise, the two candidates' strengths and weaknesses are a direct consequence of their respective environments. Three decades of jungle warfare against Republicans has left Hillary battle-tested and well-versed in the dark arts of political campaigning. She will, I have no doubt, annihilate whoever emerges from the Republican Convention and be drinking out of their skull by November. But at the same time, this experience has made her reticent to take strong positions, to say things that could be later used against her. She tends to "evolve" rather than stand on principle. Bernie has no such qualms, and has from the very beginning taken principled stands on the Iraq War, universal health insurance, gay marriage, etc. which while controversial at the time, have since been borne out by history. He is the forward-thinking visionary that Hillary is not, but he also seems naively unprepared for the shitwave of dirty tricks and false accusations that will come his way if and when he has to run a national campaign against a Donald Trump or a Ted Cruz.

I'm not telling you who to vote for in the Democratic primary. Thanks to decades of self-selecting news coverage, extreme right wing radio, and the derangement induced by the reality that the white male vote is no longer enough to carry national elections, the GOP field has been reduced to an incoherent fever dream of xenophobia and obsolescence. Either Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders would be infinitely preferable to anyone in that mental ward. This primary is not a choice between good and evil, as some Democrats have made it out to be, but rather the choice between different types of leaders, the visionary vs the tactician, whose approach to politics has largely been forged by differences in environment rather than character.

Very thoughtful post, that. And on that note, I'm going to restart this thread. We're within ten pages of the 500-page limit. It's the middle of the night in the US, seems like a good time for it.