[US Election 2016] Democratic Primary Megathread

[Hetalia Dakota 2 II]

He's too left for the establishment which is why he is outside of it. Don't get me wrong I like the man and his policy he simply isn't my pick and I feel he's be dead on arrival in the general election.

There isn't a single current poll that shows him losing in the general. There's one where he's in a statistical tie with one GOP candidate, but that's it. Everything else shows him winning against the major candidates.

Either way, he seems to be the only candidate people talk about these days. I've never seen it like this before.

[Luna Amore]

Wiser, you're barely literate.
And since we're all fine with everything who we might for for had done, and I don't see claim to have a dog in the fight...you not voting this election? Not got that card mailed in yet Grandpa?
Maybe after your balls drop, dude.
Little tip for you junior, grown men don't type shit like "sound of door slamming shut".

You write "Might for for have done" and claim others to be illiterate. As I said you are a hypocrite. Your ignorance is only eclipsed by your ugliness and, oh yeah, the hypocrisy.

Maybe you might wanna run along home about now before you are on the outside looking in, if it's not too late already.

Deuxtete and GESM: *** Warned for flaming ***

[Yumyumsuppertime]

There isn't a single current poll that shows him losing in the general. There's one where he's in a statistical tie with one GOP candidate, but that's it. Everything else shows him winning against the major candidates.

Either way, he seems to be the only candidate people talk about these days. I've never seen it like this before.

That's true online. I'd like to see him hit the mainstream media a bit more, but we're cracking that nut.

[Deuxtete]

All of them, per your standard.
Including that he will arbitrarily use nuclear weapons, and what position he has shifted on beyond conventional wisdom.

He serious claim of building a 250 ft tall 2000 mile long wall.

All of them, again if you can't go back and source every single claim you made, I hardly feel obliged to myself...its your standard after all.

Okay.

I already stated that the nuclear weapons comment was hyperbole, a rhetorical device used to make a point, not meant to be taken seriously. I thought that this was obvious from the context. I was wrong. As it's something that you are unable to detect, I will refrain from using it in the future. The same goes for "250 feet". Again, I thought that you would be able to detect exaggeration for the sake of effect, and this was obviously unfair of me. It was a reference to a joke regarding Donald Trump, a fisherman, and an immigrant. I apologize for both, and will not attempt to use humor or exaggeration in order to drive home a point with you again.

However, my serious claims stand, particularly regarding his absolutely atrocious immigration plan.

Serious claim. Singular.
Because the immigration thing is the only thing you sourced.
That and Hillary's time interview piece, with a hardly detailed plan.

Anything on that claim of her competence...besides your word I mean?

[Hetalia Dakota 2 II]

Either way, he seems to be the only candidate people talk about these days. I've never seen it like this before.

That's true online. I'd like to see him hit the mainstream media a bit more, but we're cracking that nut.

Am I a bad person for feeling put off if someone is in my favs and shared all over with me constantly to the point of me not wanting anything to do win them. I can't see myself voting for Sanders.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Okay.

I already stated that the nuclear weapons comment was hyperbole, a rhetorical device used to make a point, not meant to be taken seriously. I thought that this was obvious from the context. I was wrong. As it's something that you are unable to detect, I will refrain from using it in the future. The same goes for "250 feet". Again, I thought that you would be able to detect exaggeration for the sake of effect, and this was obviously unfair of me. It was a reference to a joke regarding Donald Trump, a fisherman, and an immigrant. I apologize for both, and will not attempt to use humor or exaggeration in order to drive home a point with you again.

However, my serious claims stand, particularly regarding his absolutely atrocious immigration plan.

Serious claim. Singular.
Because the immigration thing is the only thing you sourced.
That and Hillary's time interview piece, with a hardly detailed plan.

Anything on that claim of her competence...besides your word I mean?

The immigration thing is what he's running on. I don't think that he has much of an economic plan other than vague allusions to having done business with various countries. I'm unaware of any racial justice platform. There's nothing regarding unions, but considering his history, I can't imagine that he looks upon them favorably. There's a number of claims that he'll do grand things, but no details as to how.

What source would you accept as evidence of Clinton's competence? The first four items here would seem to speak well of her accomplishments as Secretary of State (The last one is amusing, but irrelevant), she was a reasonably effective Senator, and despite some missteps regarding her desire to radically shake up healthcare out of the gate, she was probably the most active and effective First Lady since Eleanor Roosevelt, though she made some stumbles that she seems to have learned from.

[Deuxtete]

That's true online. I'd like to see him hit the mainstream media a bit more, but we're cracking that nut.

Am I a bad person for feeling put off if someone is in my favs and shared all over with me constantly to the point of me not wanting anything to do win them. I can't see myself voting for Sanders.

who then would you vote for ?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

That's true online. I'd like to see him hit the mainstream media a bit more, but we're cracking that nut.

Am I a bad person for feeling put off if someone is in my favs and shared all over with me constantly to the point of me not wanting anything to do win them. I can't see myself voting for Sanders.

It's understandable. I've found a number of my fellow supporters to be absolutely insufferable. However, I'd recommend basing your final judgment on policies, not on the excesses of some followers.

[Hetalia Dakota 2 II]

Am I a bad person for feeling put off if someone is in my favs and shared all over with me constantly to the point of me not wanting anything to do win them. I can't see myself voting for Sanders.

It's understandable. I've found a number of my fellow supporters to be absolutely insufferable. However, I'd recommend basing your final judgment on policies, not on the excesses of some followers.

Don't get me wrong I'll vote for the democratic nomination, unless it becomes like Hilliary vs Rand, not even sure then though. Thanks for understanding.

[Deuxtete]

Serious claim. Singular.
Because the immigration thing is the only thing you sourced.
That and Hillary's time interview piece, with a hardly detailed plan.

Anything on that claim of her competence...besides your word I mean?

The immigration thing is what he's running on. I don't think that he has much of an economic plan other than vague allusions to having done business with various countries. I'm unaware of any racial justice platform. There's nothing regarding unions, but considering his history, I can't imagine that he looks upon them favorably. There's a number of claims that he'll do grand things, but no details as to how.

What source would you accept as evidence of Clinton's competence? The first four items here would seem to speak well of her accomplishments as Secretary of State (The last one is amusing, but irrelevant), she was a reasonably effective Senator, and despite some missteps regarding her desire to radically shake up healthcare out of the gate, she was probably the most active and effective First Lady since Eleanor Roosevelt, though she made some stumbles that she seems to have learned from.

I'm rather fond of his revised tax brackets, increased taxes on investment gains, reduced corporate tax...

But yeah, no plan. I'm making it up as I go.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

The immigration thing is what he's running on. I don't think that he has much of an economic plan other than vague allusions to having done business with various countries. I'm unaware of any racial justice platform. There's nothing regarding unions, but considering his history, I can't imagine that he looks upon them favorably. There's a number of claims that he'll do grand things, but no details as to how.

What source would you accept as evidence of Clinton's competence? The first four items here would seem to speak well of her accomplishments as Secretary of State (The last one is amusing, but irrelevant), she was a reasonably effective Senator, and despite some missteps regarding her desire to radically shake up healthcare out of the gate, she was probably the most active and effective First Lady since Eleanor Roosevelt, though she made some stumbles that she seems to have learned from.

I'm rather fond of his revised tax brackets, increased taxes on investment gains, reduced corporate tax...

But yeah, no plan. I'm making it up as I go.

Again, source? As you can see, I provided several.

EDIT: Also, when GE is getting tax rebates despite posting near-record profits, we don't need reduced corporate taxes.

[Deuxtete]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/87613 doesn't sound impressive...let me check another source.

Serious claim. Singular.
Because the immigration thing is the only thing you sourced.
That and Hillary's time interview piece, with a hardly detailed plan.

Anything on that claim of her competence...besides your word I mean?

The immigration thing is what he's running on. I don't think that he has much of an economic plan other than vague allusions to having done business with various countries. I'm unaware of any racial justice platform. There's nothing regarding unions, but considering his history, I can't imagine that he looks upon them favorably. There's a number of claims that he'll do grand things, but no details as to how.

What source would you accept as evidence of Clinton's competence? The first four items here would seem to speak well of her accomplishments as Secretary of State (The last one is amusing, but irrelevant), she was a reasonably effective Senator, and despite some missteps regarding her desire to radically shake up healthcare out of the gate, she was probably the most active and effective First Lady since Eleanor Roosevelt, though she made some stumbles that she seems to have learned from.

I'm rather fond of his revised tax brackets, increased taxes on investment gains, reduced corporate tax...

But yeah, no plan. I'm making it up as I go.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/87613 doesn't sound impressive...let me check another source.

The immigration thing is what he's running on. I don't think that he has much of an economic plan other than vague allusions to having done business with various countries. I'm unaware of any racial justice platform. There's nothing regarding unions, but considering his history, I can't imagine that he looks upon them favorably. There's a number of claims that he'll do grand things, but no details as to how.

What source would you accept as evidence of Clinton's competence? The first four items here would seem to speak well of her accomplishments as Secretary of State (The last one is amusing, but irrelevant), she was a reasonably effective Senator, and despite some missteps regarding her desire to radically shake up healthcare out of the gate, she was probably the most active and effective First Lady since Eleanor Roosevelt, though she made some stumbles that she seems to have learned from.

I'm rather fond of his revised tax brackets, increased taxes on investment gains, reduced corporate tax...

But yeah, no plan. I'm making it up as I go.

This may seem petty, but could you not put your responses on the top of the post, please? It looked like you simply repeated your last post.

[Deuxtete]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... /?page=all ooh,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -book.html not the best source lets look harder
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/21/ ... the-Senate holy shit! Good thing the link to govtrack is just below so we can see...she stayed consistently abyssmal as a senator. Let's look at her great accomplishments as a first lady.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/member ... ton/300022 hmm she missed nearly five times the number of roll call votes as her contemporaries, not looking super competent ...let me check another source.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/87613 doesn't sound impressive...let me check another source.

Serious claim. Singular.
Because the immigration thing is the only thing you sourced.
That and Hillary's time interview piece, with a hardly detailed plan.

Anything on that claim of her competence...besides your word I mean?

The immigration thing is what he's running on. I don't think that he has much of an economic plan other than vague allusions to having done business with various countries. I'm unaware of any racial justice platform. There's nothing regarding unions, but considering his history, I can't imagine that he looks upon them favorably. There's a number of claims that he'll do grand things, but no details as to how.

What source would you accept as evidence of Clinton's competence? The first four items here would seem to speak well of her accomplishments as Secretary of State (The last one is amusing, but irrelevant), she was a reasonably effective Senator, and despite some missteps regarding her desire to radically shake up healthcare out of the gate, she was probably the most active and effective First Lady since Eleanor Roosevelt, though she made some stumbles that she seems to have learned from.

I'm rather fond of his revised tax brackets, increased taxes on investment gains, reduced corporate tax...

But yeah, no plan. I'm making it up as I go.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/hillary_clinton/300022 hmm she missed nearly five times the number of roll call votes as her contemporaries, not looking super competent ...let me check another source.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/87613 doesn't sound impressive...let me check another source.

The immigration thing is what he's running on. I don't think that he has much of an economic plan other than vague allusions to having done business with various countries. I'm unaware of any racial justice platform. There's nothing regarding unions, but considering his history, I can't imagine that he looks upon them favorably. There's a number of claims that he'll do grand things, but no details as to how.

What source would you accept as evidence of Clinton's competence? The first four items here would seem to speak well of her accomplishments as Secretary of State (The last one is amusing, but irrelevant), she was a reasonably effective Senator, and despite some missteps regarding her desire to radically shake up healthcare out of the gate, she was probably the most active and effective First Lady since Eleanor Roosevelt, though she made some stumbles that she seems to have learned from.

I'm rather fond of his revised tax brackets, increased taxes on investment gains, reduced corporate tax...

But yeah, no plan. I'm making it up as I go.

For God's sake, could you please stop responding at the top of the post? That's not how this is done.

Missing roll call votes isn't a big deal so long as you're there to vote on the important legislation. The rest is simply interpretive. However, I don't have a particular interest in defending Hillary Clinton. Now will you start using sources? Or are you going nuts trying to disprove an argument I'm not particularly interested in making because you're unable to defend your own points?

[Divitaen]

Okay.

I already stated that the nuclear weapons comment was hyperbole, a rhetorical device used to make a point, not meant to be taken seriously. I thought that this was obvious from the context. I was wrong. As it's something that you are unable to detect, I will refrain from using it in the future. The same goes for "250 feet". Again, I thought that you would be able to detect exaggeration for the sake of effect, and this was obviously unfair of me. It was a reference to a joke regarding Donald Trump, a fisherman, and an immigrant. I apologize for both, and will not attempt to use humor or exaggeration in order to drive home a point with you again.

However, my serious claims stand, particularly regarding his absolutely atrocious immigration plan.

Serious claim. Singular.
Because the immigration thing is the only thing you sourced.
That and Hillary's time interview piece, with a hardly detailed plan.

Anything on that claim of her competence...besides your word I mean?

She was a good Secretary of State, and had quite a positive record there campaigning for international LGBT and women's rights standards. She was instrumental in the original "reset button" on diplomacy with Sergei Lavrov to improve US-Russian ties, she was crucial in Iranian nuclear negotiations and helped to rescue a Turkish-Armenian agreement in 2009 that improved diplomatic relations between the two nations. Of course, she also played an important role in US-Burmese relations after the Thein Sein reforms and the "pivot to Asia".

[Divitaen]

all of them are faggots

Normally I'd say this is sarcastic but...

[Ashmoria]

Am I a bad person for feeling put off if someone is in my favs and shared all over with me constantly to the point of me not wanting anything to do win them. I can't see myself voting for Sanders.

It's understandable. I've found a number of my fellow supporters to be absolutely insufferable. However, I'd recommend basing your final judgment on policies, not on the excesses of some followers.

I deal with it by refusing to read the back and forth bickering between the Clinton and sanders supporters. im going to vote for whichever democrat wins the nomination anyway I see no sense to get all caught up in the "Hillary is too corporatist", "Bernie doesn't care about black people" bullshit.

[Atlanticatia]

http://www.thenation.com/article/can-hi ... -the-left/

Interesting article I read: Can Hillary Clinton Win Over the Left?

[Northern Davincia]

http://www.thenation.com/article/can-hillary-clinton-win-over-the-left/

Interesting article I read: Can Hillary Clinton Win Over the Left?

Not if Biden runs, and as much as I want him to, it's becoming increasingly unlikely.

[Marylandonia]

http://www.thenation.com/article/can-hillary-clinton-win-over-the-left/

Interesting article I read: Can Hillary Clinton Win Over the Left?

Not if Biden runs, and as much as I want him to, it's becoming increasingly unlikely.

I think it has become more likely. We'll have to wait and see who is correct.

I think he gets into the race come October which happens to be when Hillary has to face a congressional committee about the Emails.
In the mean time he continues to recover from the death of his son, Beau. Joe will recover, he is a solid man, and then he will see to his son's final wishes.

[Gauthier]

Oh my God, Hillary Clinton killed Kenny!
YOU BASTARDS!

That was Vince Foster's middle name?

[Farnhamia]

Oh my God, Hillary Clinton killed Kenny!
YOU BASTARDS!

That was Vince Foster's middle name?

No, his middle name was ... Walker.

[Corrian]

I think one of my biggest issues with Hillary is that watching her speak, I feel like I'm watching a scripted actor, compared to Bernie Sanders who actually acts passionate about what he's talking about.

[Marylandonia]

I think one of my biggest issues with Hillary is that watching her speak, I feel like I'm watching a scripted actor, compared to Bernie Sanders who actually acts passionate about what he's talking about.

She's no Bill Clinton, that is for sure. She gives you the feeling she is talking down to you. They need to get that out of her mannerisms fast.