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Postby Maichuko » Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:14 pm

The Krogan wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Meh, still something commendable. Better than the people purposefully trying to get as far away from the major fronts despite knowing full well the crimes and atrocities that the Germans and Japanese perpetrated.

I mean if there ever was a cause to risk your life on, it'd be defeating those two regimes.


Sure it's commendable, as long as he isn't one of those Soviet soldiers that went around raping and killing civilians when they invaded Germany.


you know many german civilians admitted that the frontline soldiers who did most of the fighting were well behaved and well disciplined and the trouble came from the reserve troops who came after the regulars. and the germans murdered 10 to 15 million soviet civilians in their occupation and actively executed any commissars or jewish soldiers who were captured? final point the germans had Volkssturm and fanatical hitler youth at some point they would need to fight civilians also why assume he would do that to civilians when you don't know him and its doubtful that he'll survive long enough to invade germany
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Postby Rio Cana » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:27 pm

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I don't think so.

Frontline troops should be inspired, awed, and unified by the presence of a commander who is full of valor, courage, and who fights alongside them like Captain America or Stannis Baratheon.

Everybody sing along! (tune of "Lili Marlene")
Rolling down the runway, throttles open wide
See the mighty Avro sway from side to side
Airborne again without a blip
It's just one more aborted trip
But we're pressing on regardless
For the Wing Commander's DFC

Went to early briefing, climbed into the kite
Opened up the throttles and roared into the night
Leaving the flare path far behind
It's dark outside but we don't mind
Cos we're pressing on regardless
For the Wing Commander's DFC

Now the war is over, we've reached the Promised Land
The Wing Commander meets us and shakes us by the hand
"Well done chaps, I thank you men,
"I've just received my BEM!"
But we're pressing on regardless
For the Wing Commander's DFC (and bar)


This song sounds better. She is German and singing to French troops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJH8hO7VlWE
Someone posted the words of the song in English on the you tube site.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:34 pm

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You're right, but the Reaper IS going to be accurate as well, its munitions are guided. Therefore, I can more accurately and precisely take out the targets that the invasion force will need destroyed, than the unguided munitions of the day.

In order to be accurate, you need to hit the right point regularly. How will you do these when the Japanese are hidden?


Since I'm from the future, I'll be able to use history to tell me where to strike. Pillbox/trench/tank/tunnel locations, ambush points, areas of heavy combat/mass charges, etc should be noted in the history books.
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Postby Tulacia » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:37 pm

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Jun 01, 2015 4:20 pm

Rio Cana wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Everybody sing along! (tune of "Lili Marlene")


This song sounds better. She is German and singing to French troops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJH8hO7VlWE
Someone posted the words of the song in English on the you tube site.

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Postby The Krogan » Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:47 am

Maichuko wrote:
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Sure it's commendable, as long as he isn't one of those Soviet soldiers that went around raping and killing civilians when they invaded Germany.


you know many german civilians admitted that the frontline soldiers who did most of the fighting were well behaved and well disciplined and the trouble came from the reserve troops who came after the regulars. and the germans murdered 10 to 15 million soviet civilians in their occupation and actively executed any commissars or jewish soldiers who were captured? final point the germans had Volkssturm and fanatical hitler youth at some point they would need to fight civilians also why assume he would do that to civilians when you don't know him and its doubtful that he'll survive long enough to invade germany


Yeah sorry, should have clarified. Didn't mean everyone did it, just like in every army you have your bad apples. And I am NOT excusing what the Germans did to vast amounts of the Russian people in Operation Barbarossa, it was wrong. What I am saying is that eye for eye tactics when it comes to civilians is not excusable, especially rape. You are also right when it comes to front line troops, in a lot of cases in both armies (from what i remember) most of the cruelty came from second rate gun fodder soldiers and occupation troops, except for SS soldiers. Also it should be pointed out that Soviet secret police during the invasion executed people and did a couple other nasty things while pulling out of places such as Ukraine to the local inhabitants, but yet again the Germans did just as many if not more. I am also not assuming that buddy there is a bad person or anything, what i was trying to say, and it came out wrong, was that in war even the "good guys" do pretty shitty things and it's not a glorious affair.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:59 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Someone who survives and doesn't get injured.

Winston Churchill *nods*


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Ifreann wrote:Those people are insane. I'm not even exaggerating or joking. If someone lives to kill other people, there is something seriously wrong with them. They need to talk to a doctor before they hurt themselves or someone else.


And every one of them should be in a hospital, getting the help they need to function in civilised society.

Fucking seriously, you realise you're talking about killing real people for fun, yeah? People who probably aren't even evil or anything, people with families who love them who'll never see them again, families who won't even get a body to bury because you want to blow them up over the Pacific because you think AA guns are cool. Have you not ever lost someone you care about? How could you possibly want to inflict that on other people, just so you can have an adventure?


I'm not making this up. People who work for private military companies that have seen action in Africa etc have said such things in interviews. To them fighting is a profession and a great honour and they enjoy it. And many of these people are veterans of wars.

I never said that such people don't exist. I said that they are a danger to themselves and others and need to be in a hospital getting treatment.

Somehow Jaime Lannister doesn't come across as insane to me.

Jaime Lannister is fictional, and hardly has it all together even so.

And I note you have not responded to my point about this adventure you imagine having involving the killing of several people. Do you just not care about killing people? Do you think that some people's lives don't matter or something like that? Do you think that killing people would be fun if you can convince yourself that you are doing it for honour or glory?
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:10 am

A giant squid.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:18 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:A giant squid.

Atlantic or Pacific?
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Postby Littorium » Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:21 am

Ifreann wrote:
L Ron Cupboard wrote:A giant squid.

Atlantic or Pacific?


So long as it isnt in the Med

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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:22 am

Ifreann wrote:
L Ron Cupboard wrote:A giant squid.

Atlantic or Pacific?


Good years for giant squid in both oceans, but I think Pacific.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:36 am

Littorium wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Atlantic or Pacific?


So long as it isnt in the Med

Might be a bit cramped in the Med for a giant squid.
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Postby Athshe » Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:56 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:A giant squid.


This.

Or, the Moon.
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Postby Camelza » Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:35 am

A Swedish citizen.

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Postby Camelza » Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:40 am

Ifreann wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Someone who survives and doesn't get injured.

Winston Churchill *nods*


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I'm not making this up. People who work for private military companies that have seen action in Africa etc have said such things in interviews. To them fighting is a profession and a great honour and they enjoy it. And many of these people are veterans of wars.

I never said that such people don't exist. I said that they are a danger to themselves and others and need to be in a hospital getting treatment.

Somehow Jaime Lannister doesn't come across as insane to me.

Jaime Lannister is fictional, and hardly has it all together even so.

And I note you have not responded to my point about this adventure you imagine having involving the killing of several people. Do you just not care about killing people? Do you think that some people's lives don't matter or something like that? Do you think that killing people would be fun if you can convince yourself that you are doing it for honour or glory?

The poor shod would break down after his very first kill, I think. All can be uppity and obnoxious and claim to be "warriors" and whatnot, but when they land them in a foreign land to kill real persons that can also kill them back, their nerves don't handle it well most of the time.

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Postby Galmarch » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:10 am

Pre-ww2 but just by a bit, would go to Finland and fight with the Finns against the Soviets during the winter war, probably continue until the end of ww2 if I am still alive and able to.
Would probably have to fight alongside the Germans for a bit though and then against them later on.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:34 am

Ifreann wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Someone who survives and doesn't get injured.

Winston Churchill *nods*


Infected Mushroom wrote:
I'm not making this up. People who work for private military companies that have seen action in Africa etc have said such things in interviews. To them fighting is a profession and a great honour and they enjoy it. And many of these people are veterans of wars.

I never said that such people don't exist. I said that they are a danger to themselves and others and need to be in a hospital getting treatment.

Somehow Jaime Lannister doesn't come across as insane to me.

Jaime Lannister is fictional, and hardly has it all together even so.

And I note you have not responded to my point about this adventure you imagine having involving the killing of several people. Do you just not care about killing people? Do you think that some people's lives don't matter or something like that? Do you think that killing people would be fun if you can convince yourself that you are doing it for honour or glory?


I don't want to get side tracked on the thread topic

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:39 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Winston Churchill *nods*



I never said that such people don't exist. I said that they are a danger to themselves and others and need to be in a hospital getting treatment.


Jaime Lannister is fictional, and hardly has it all together even so.

And I note you have not responded to my point about this adventure you imagine having involving the killing of several people. Do you just not care about killing people? Do you think that some people's lives don't matter or something like that? Do you think that killing people would be fun if you can convince yourself that you are doing it for honour or glory?


I don't want to get side tracked on the thread topic

My questions are perfectly relevant to the thread topic.
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Postby Athshe » Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:59 am

Ifreann wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Someone who survives and doesn't get injured.

Winston Churchill *nods*


Infected Mushroom wrote:
I'm not making this up. People who work for private military companies that have seen action in Africa etc have said such things in interviews. To them fighting is a profession and a great honour and they enjoy it. And many of these people are veterans of wars.

I never said that such people don't exist. I said that they are a danger to themselves and others and need to be in a hospital getting treatment.

Somehow Jaime Lannister doesn't come across as insane to me.

Jaime Lannister is fictional, and hardly has it all together even so.

And I note you have not responded to my point about this adventure you imagine having involving the killing of several people. Do you just not care about killing people? Do you think that some people's lives don't matter or something like that? Do you think that killing people would be fun if you can convince yourself that you are doing it for honour or glory?


Well put, Ifreann. Wilfred Owen put it pretty nicely, too:

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What passing-bells for these who die as cattle?
— Only the monstrous anger of the guns.
Only the stuttering rifles' rapid rattle
Can patter out their hasty orisons.
No mockeries now for them; no prayers nor bells;
Nor any voice of mourning save the choirs,—
The shrill, demented choirs of wailing shells;
And bugles calling for them from sad shires.

What candles may be held to speed them all?
Not in the hands of boys, but in their eyes
Shall shine the holy glimmers of goodbyes.
The pallor of girls' brows shall be their pall;
Their flowers the tenderness of patient minds,
And each slow dusk a drawing-down of blinds.

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Postby The Greater Lebanon » Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:26 pm

French Foreign legion, or colonial forces.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:38 pm

I want to be a South Pacific tribesman that kills white men in camouflage wherever he sees them. :p
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Postby Gnork » Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:41 pm

A competent general would be nice, though some other things could be fun too...my loyalty could be my honor. 8)
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:42 pm

Gnork wrote:A competent general would be nice, though some other things could be fun too...my loyalty could be my honor. 8)

I'll give you this: You're really good at saying you're pro-SS, advocating genocide and eugenics, etc, without making it a warnable offense. Congratulations.
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Postby Rhodevus » Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:32 pm

well, I would love to be a child living in Canada or the US during that time. You know, I would be pretty safe.

But, if I had to be some sort of military person, it would be maybe a Canadian airforce pilot. Sounds like a pretty nice job... except for the fighting part... but you would have to be fighting anyways, might as well do it in a plane
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