Who would you want to be in World War II?

[United Marxist Nations]

Suffering for your values does not make one a hero. The fact is that they were refusing to help stop the Nazis, who were, at the time, in the process of the greatest mass murder in history.

Which was known by no one at the time so trying to judge through that lens is a mistake.

By late 1941 it was well known; we had received plenty of documentation from the Soviet liberation outside of Moscow to be aware that massacres were taking place, as well as the deportations of the Poles being well-known.

[The Carolines]

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[United Marxist Nations]

Suffering for your values does not make one a hero. The fact is that they were refusing to help stop the Nazis, who were, at the time, in the process of the greatest mass murder in history.

Obeying the government also does not make you a hero.

Never said it did, but helping to stop the extermination of millions certainly helps.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Suffering for your values does not make one a hero. The fact is that they were refusing to help stop the Nazis, who were, at the time, in the process of the greatest mass murder in history.

Which was known by no one at the time so trying to judge through that lens is a mistake.

Well, it was able to be known by 1943. few believed it though.

[Genivaria]

They weren't Nazis. They were Krauts., or Jerries, or they were just Germans being German like the last great war.

There was no legitimate reason as far as the average American was concerned at the time, to get involved in yet ANOTHER European war.

Regardless, they were all actively helping to carry out Nazi genocide, especially the ones in the East.

What a monstrous thing to say about a civilized European nation, clearly nothing but more anti-German propaganda and hate-mongering.- The average American at the time.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Which was known by no one at the time so trying to judge through that lens is a mistake.

By late 1941 it was well known; we had received plenty of documentation from the Soviet liberation outside of Moscow to be aware that massacres were taking place (1), as well as the deportations of the Poles being well-known. (2)

1) Except no one trusted Stalin's regime. For rather good reason.
2) Which wasn't really considered too much of a crime, particularly when spun by Nazi-apologists of the time (comparing it to the US reservation system for Native Americans was particularly effective on this front).

[United Marxist Nations]

Which was known by no one at the time so trying to judge through that lens is a mistake.

Well, it was able to be known by 1943. few believed it though.

IIRC, there were American documentaries featuring it in the process of discussing the war.

[Confederate Ramenia]

Which was known by no one at the time so trying to judge through that lens is a mistake.

Well, it was able to be known by 1943. few believed it though.

This. If the government says "The people we're fighting are killing millions of people in death camps", after they said that same claim as propaganda in the last war against that same enemy, would you really completely believe it? Especially if most evidence hadn't surfaced or wasn't available because war?

[Souseiseki]

so do you support the holocaust or don't think it happened. let's just get this out of the way now.

Typhus outbreak, really. That's all I have to say.

i meant him not you, though it is lucky that you guys keep appearing in groups of 2 to 3 people! would be lonely otherwise.

e: not that i would ever imply that the guy already confirmed to be using puppets to post controversial things would ever have another puppet

[Benuty]

American Civilian why hasn't anyone picked that?

Because for the OP it has to be a combat role and in a theatre of combat.

So...American civilian serving as a spy in the occupied city of Manila days after occupation?

[Genivaria]

Which was known by no one at the time so trying to judge through that lens is a mistake.

By late 1941 it was well known; we had received plenty of documentation from the Soviet liberation outside of Moscow to be aware that massacres were taking place, as well as the deportations of the Poles being well-known.

But did the American people know?

[Confederate Ramenia]

Because for the OP it has to be a combat role and in a theatre of combat.

So...American civilian serving as a spy in the occupied city of Manila days after occupation?

Really clever

[United Marxist Nations]

By late 1941 it was well known; we had received plenty of documentation from the Soviet liberation outside of Moscow to be aware that massacres were taking place (1), as well as the deportations of the Poles being well-known. (2)

1) Except no one trusted Stalin's regime. For rather good reason.
2) Which wasn't really considered too much of a crime, particularly when spun by Nazi-apologists of the time (comparing it to the US reservation system for Native Americans was particularly effective on this front).

True, but by 1942, it had emerged from other sources: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/js ... /when.html

[Benuty]

Holocaust denial on a second great war thread I have to admit that is some ultra godwin right there.

[Rio Cana]

North Africa? So long as I don't accidently step on a Fat Tailed Scorpion or landmine.

D-day? If I survive the beaches I'll get slaughtered in the hedges of Normandy.

To be honest, If I were to get assigned to North Africa, I think my chances of participating in the Normandy Landings would be fairly slim. I'd much more likely to be participating in Operation Husky, invading Sicily, and then Operation Avalanche, the invasion of Italy. Where I would more than likely join the 12-14 thousand Injured and MIA/KIA.

Yeah, if I had a choice I definitely wouldn't choose D-Day. I'd be in an artillery unit, preferably American or Canadian.

Another one who picked artillery. But I went with the Soviet artillery since it really got its act together in 1943. After that the Germans faced a storm of Soviet artillery.

Something like this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c11hP9g_H4g

[Occupied Deutschland]

Well, it was able to be known by 1943. few believed it though.

IIRC, there were American documentaries featuring it in the process of discussing the war.

Indeed, but easily dismissible as propaganda (having been a claim made in the previous war as well, not to mention the evidence available even to the government not being released to the general public except through the claims of those propaganda/recruitment films. Mennonites and other such religious objectors are unlikely to watch movies, much less propaganda movies, much less let them sway their convictions). I assume it was likely partially due to the governments themselves not fully buying the explanation of atrocities being committed as described to them in the Witold report and the other exposes of concentration camps.

[New Reutlingen]

Typhus outbreak, really. That's all I have to say.

i meant him not you, though it is lucky that you guys keep appearing in groups of 2 to 3 people! would be lonely otherwise.

e: not that i would ever imply that the guy already confirmed to be using puppets to post controversial things would ever have another puppet

Or maybe we just message eachother whenever threads like these come up so we can laugh.

[United Marxist Nations]

By late 1941 it was well known; we had received plenty of documentation from the Soviet liberation outside of Moscow to be aware that massacres were taking place, as well as the deportations of the Poles being well-known.

But did the American people know?

Bye late 1942, it had been widely reported by other sources, and the Allied governments had made a proclamation about it. Further, the American documentaries on he subject detailed it in 1943 along with video and photographic evidence.

[Confederate Ramenia]

i meant him not you, though it is lucky that you guys keep appearing in groups of 2 to 3 people! would be lonely otherwise.

e: not that i would ever imply that the guy already confirmed to be using puppets to post controversial things would ever have another puppet

Or maybe we just message eachother whenever threads like these come up so we can laugh.

Or maybe thread is being derailed with holocaust discussion O.o

[Dumb Ideologies]

Someone who survives and doesn't get injured.

[United Marxist Nations]

IIRC, there were American documentaries featuring it in the process of discussing the war.

Indeed, but easily dismissible as propaganda (having been a claim made in the previous war as well, not to mention the evidence available even to the government not being released to the general public except through the claims of those propaganda/recruitment films. Mennonites and other such religious objectors are unlikely to watch movies, much less propaganda movies, much less let them sway their convictions). I assume it was likely partially due to the governments themselves not fully buying the explanation of atrocities being committed as described to them in the Witold report and the other exposes of concentration camps.

That's a fair point. I will recant on my attack on the Mennonites, but I still won't say refusing to serve makes them heroes.

[United Marxist Nations]

Or maybe we just message eachother whenever threads like these come up so we can laugh.

Or maybe thread is being derailed with holocaust discussion O.o

For an entire side in the war, the war was done for the purpose of committing it, so whether a thread about WWII can be hijacked into a discussion of it is dubious, tbh.

[Rio Cana]

Because for the OP it has to be a combat role and in a theatre of combat.

So...American civilian serving as a spy in the occupied city of Manila days after occupation?

You would have been picked up by the Imperial Japanese army unless you had a passport of a neutral nation. For example, like the Spanish in the Philippines. Spain was Axis leaning. But even the Spanish had major problems with the Japanese at one point.

[Benuty]

Someone who survives and doesn't get injured.

Well you could crap your pants like Ted Nugent to get out of the draft...oh wait wrong war.

I suppose you could join the war right at the very end?

[New Reutlingen]

Or maybe thread is being derailed with holocaust discussion O.o

I suggested to have him PM him about it.