Portuguese Colonial Wars

[Migas999]

What I most look fondly upon is the discovery age, Portugal was the first country to discover foreign lands

people have been discovering foreign lands from the moment they decided to leave the place they lived in

and even some historians believe that the credit of discovering North America

no that would be the native north americans

I explain Cristovao Colombo was not in fact Spanish but really a portuguese man in service of the Spanish Crown after having been turned down by the Portuguese Crown

no nobody knows where columbus was from

We discovered Brasil and India

Brazil was discovered by native Brazilians and India was known to Europeans literally thousands of years before Vasco da Gama got there.

1) I meant the first European and world country to launch the discovery age, and the conquest of foreign lands with the conquest of Ceuta

2)Some historians believe he was portuguese

3)Native Brasilians already lived there so they didn´t "discover" it, and Portugal was the first country to establish a trading outpost in India

[Migas999]

Nonetheless it was a danger to the country
And no it wasn´t the population that wanted communism, for a time it was actually the military which led the country for about a year after the revolution

1) prove they were communist
2) tell me more about the spanish invasion plans
3) please stop defending dictatorships with the most cliched line in the book

Jesus I´m not defending the dictatorship im stating facts

[Frasers]

1) I meant the first European and world country to launch the discovery age, and the conquest of foreign lands with the conquest of Ceuta

2)Some historians believe he was portuguese

3)Native Brasilians already lived there so they didn´t "discover" it, and Portugal was the first country to establish a trading outpost in India

why didn't you just say these things then if they're what you meant.

[Kanaria]

people have been discovering foreign lands from the moment they decided to leave the place they lived in



no that would be the native north americans



no nobody knows where columbus was from



Brazil was discovered by native Brazilians and India was known to Europeans literally thousands of years before Vasco da Gama got there.

1) I meant the first European and world country to launch the discovery age, and the conquest of foreign lands with the conquest of Ceuta

2)Some historians believe he was portuguese

3)Native Brasilians already lived there so they didn´t "discover" it, and Portugal was the first country to establish a trading outpost in India

Could you provide more information on that...sometime?

[Migas999]

1) I meant the first European and world country to launch the discovery age, and the conquest of foreign lands with the conquest of Ceuta

2)Some historians believe he was portuguese

3)Native Brasilians already lived there so they didn´t "discover" it, and Portugal was the first country to establish a trading outpost in India

why didn't you just say these things then if they're what you meant.

Sorry if I was unclear

[Migas999]

1) I meant the first European and world country to launch the discovery age, and the conquest of foreign lands with the conquest of Ceuta

2)Some historians believe he was portuguese

3)Native Brasilians already lived there so they didn´t "discover" it, and Portugal was the first country to establish a trading outpost in India

Could you provide more information on that...sometime?

On what specificly? Tell me what you want proven

[Geilinor]

Portugal and the colonies would have been better off without the wars, Portugal should have focused on itself and the colonies needed a chance to develop.

At the time Portugal was a dictatorship in which the dictator instilled in the people a strong sense of nationalism and pride in the "Portuguese Empire" and the colonies were at the time the only part of the Portuguese Empire left(Brasil obtained it´s independence in 1822)

I know, but I'm saying what I think would have been better.

[Migas999]

In response to someone else(don´t know the name) this proves that there was a significant portion of the military that was communist
After the military coup in Lisbon on April 25, 1974, power was taken by a military junta, the National Salvation Junta, and Portugal went through a turbulent period, commonly called the Continuing Revolutionary Process (Portuguese: Processo Revolucionário em Curso, or PREC).

Initially there was a confrontation, at times open, at other times hidden, between the conservative forces around Spinola and the radicals of the MFA. Spinola was forced to appoint key figures in the MFA to senior security positions and as a result an attempted coup to halt the progress of democratisation failed and Spinola was removed from office. Then there followed a confrontation within the MFA, which itself splintered, between the most leftist forces, often close to the Communist party, and the more moderate groupings, often close to the Socialists.

This phase of the PREC lasted until 25 November 1975, the day of a pro-communist coup followed by a successful counter-coup by pro-democracy moderates, marked by constant friction between liberal-democratic forces and leftist/communist political parties.[21] After a year, the first free election was carried out on 25 April 1975 in order to write a new Constitution that would replace the Constitution of 1933 which prevailed during the Estado Novo period. In 1976, another election was held and the first Constitutional government, led by the centre-left socialist Mário Soares, assumed office.
From here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnation_Revolution

[Migas999]

At the time Portugal was a dictatorship in which the dictator instilled in the people a strong sense of nationalism and pride in the "Portuguese Empire" and the colonies were at the time the only part of the Portuguese Empire left(Brasil obtained it´s independence in 1822)

I know, but I'm saying what I think would have been better.

And I´m not disagreeing Portugal could have done without the wars

[Geilinor]

In response to someone else(don´t know the name) this proves that there was a significant portion of the military that was communist
After the military coup in Lisbon on April 25, 1974, power was taken by a military junta, the National Salvation Junta, and Portugal went through a turbulent period, commonly called the Continuing Revolutionary Process (Portuguese: Processo Revolucionário em Curso, or PREC).

Initially there was a confrontation, at times open, at other times hidden, between the conservative forces around Spinola and the radicals of the MFA. Spinola was forced to appoint key figures in the MFA to senior security positions and as a result an attempted coup to halt the progress of democratisation failed and Spinola was removed from office. Then there followed a confrontation within the MFA, which itself splintered, between the most leftist forces, often close to the Communist party, and the more moderate groupings, often close to the Socialists.

This phase of the PREC lasted until 25 November 1975, the day of a pro-communist coup followed by a successful counter-coup by pro-democracy moderates, marked by constant friction between liberal-democratic forces and leftist/communist political parties.[21] After a year, the first free election was carried out on 25 April 1975 in order to write a new Constitution that would replace the Constitution of 1933 which prevailed during the Estado Novo period. In 1976, another election was held and the first Constitutional government, led by the centre-left socialist Mário Soares, assumed office.
From here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnation_Revolution

Would you prefer authoritarian right-wing dictators or democratic socialists who give you much more freedom?

[Migas999]

In response to someone else(don´t know the name) this proves that there was a significant portion of the military that was communist
After the military coup in Lisbon on April 25, 1974, power was taken by a military junta, the National Salvation Junta, and Portugal went through a turbulent period, commonly called the Continuing Revolutionary Process (Portuguese: Processo Revolucionário em Curso, or PREC).

Initially there was a confrontation, at times open, at other times hidden, between the conservative forces around Spinola and the radicals of the MFA. Spinola was forced to appoint key figures in the MFA to senior security positions and as a result an attempted coup to halt the progress of democratisation failed and Spinola was removed from office. Then there followed a confrontation within the MFA, which itself splintered, between the most leftist forces, often close to the Communist party, and the more moderate groupings, often close to the Socialists.

This phase of the PREC lasted until 25 November 1975, the day of a pro-communist coup followed by a successful counter-coup by pro-democracy moderates, marked by constant friction between liberal-democratic forces and leftist/communist political parties.[21] After a year, the first free election was carried out on 25 April 1975 in order to write a new Constitution that would replace the Constitution of 1933 which prevailed during the Estado Novo period. In 1976, another election was held and the first Constitutional government, led by the centre-left socialist Mário Soares, assumed office.
From here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnation_Revolution

Would you prefer authoritarian right-wing dictators or democratic socialists who give you much more freedom?

The Democratic socialists , again I´m only stating facts what happened after the revolution

[Meryuma]

We discovered Brasil and India

Portugal discovered some stuff, but let's not overcredit ourselves...

[Kanaria]

Could you provide more information on that...sometime?

On what specificly? Tell me what you want proven

The Portuguese ancestry of Christopher Columbus.

[Migas999]

We discovered Brasil and India

Portugal discovered some stuff, but let's not overcredit ourselves...

Portugal and Spain discovered most of what was discovered during the age of discovery

[Calimera II]

Portugal discovered some stuff, but let's not overcredit ourselves...

Portugal and Spain discovered most of what was discovered during the age of discovery

And the Brits stole it

[Migas999]

On what specificly? Tell me what you want proven

The Portuguese ancestry of Christopher Columbus.

http://www.biography.com/people/christo ... ly-voyages
Columbus married into both portuguese and spanish families, I realize it´s not ancestry but Columbus did all his expeditions in the service of Spain
Also
Some modern historians have argued that Columbus was not from Genoa, but instead, from the Aragon region of Spain or from Portugal. These competing hypotheses have generally been discounted by mainstream scholars, maybe they have but you can´t ignore the possibility
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus
http://www.biography.com/people/christo ... eo-gallery

[Migas999]

Portugal and Spain discovered most of what was discovered during the age of discovery

And the Brits stole it

Yup but oh well you snooze you lose

[Frasers]

Portugal and Spain discovered most of what was discovered during the age of discovery

you can't discover a place that is already inhabited

[Calimera II]

Portugal and Spain discovered most of what was discovered during the age of discovery

you can't discover a place that is already inhabited

You know very well what he means.

[Migas999]

Portugal and Spain discovered most of what was discovered during the age of discovery

you can't discover a place that is already inhabited

Ñot by europeans, but fine you want me to change my wording?
Portugal and Spain claimed most of the land claimed during the age of discovery because they were the first european countries to reach said lands

[Migas999]

you can't discover a place that is already inhabited

You know very well what he means.

Thank you

[Ludania]

It still blows my mind that the Portuguese dictatorship spent so much on keeping these frankly backwards places to protect its prestige and reputation, even when it's clearly that they would lose! Surely they should have learned from literally any other colonial war of the 20th century?

[Migas999]

It still blows my mind that the Portuguese dictatorship spent so much on keeping these frankly backwards places to protect its prestige and reputation, even when it's clearly that they would lose! Surely they should have learned from literally any other colonial war of the 20th century?

It was a matter of pride for the regime, it didn´t want to admit defeat because it would lose face for the public and endanger the regime, ultimately the continuation of the war led to the downfall of Estado Novo

[McNernia]

I think the Colonial war was a very interesting concept. Deeply flawed in its execution.

[Migas999]

I think the Colonial war was a very interesting concept. Deeply flawed in its execution.

Guerrila warfare was tough for conventional troops, nonetheless the portuguese troops adapted but not without some serious casualties