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by Greater-London » Thu May 28, 2015 12:11 pm
by Teemant » Thu May 28, 2015 12:11 pm
Mister B wrote:Teemant wrote:
Legal immigrants and illegal immigrants are two different. All legal immigrants tend to work because otherwise they wouldn't be able to stay.
Illegal immigrants tend to work and not claim benefits because approaching the government of a country you are illegal living in is a very good way to get deported.
by Lydenburg » Thu May 28, 2015 12:11 pm
by Apollinis » Thu May 28, 2015 12:11 pm
by Calimera II » Thu May 28, 2015 12:13 pm
Imperializt Russia wrote:Calimera II wrote:
Europe will create more problems if it lets all those people in.
Which wouldn't be solving the cause of the problem that is there is a humanitarian crisis(es) in Africa and the Middle East, resulting from the long, long-term fallout of European colonialism and more recently the fallout of Cold War tensions - that is pushing people out of their countries and into destitute camps. And from there, they rightly think this is no life for them and wish to move to Europe.
Syria, as a country, is practically ruined. Destroyed. The image of lights at night taken from space is pretty telling to that. What of the millions of displaced Syrians? "Sucks to be you"?
by Imperializt Russia » Thu May 28, 2015 12:13 pm
Lydenburg wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:It's difficult to improve when you leave a pre-industrial backwater with a power vacuum.
While that may very well ring true for Burundi or the Congo, it certainly wasn't the case with RSA. Or to a lesser extent Zimbabwe.
Start the country off with all the industrial and infrastructural advantages in the world but corruption can still get the better of it in the end.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Grave_n_idle » Thu May 28, 2015 12:14 pm
Teemant wrote:Mister B wrote:
Illegal immigrants tend to work and not claim benefits because approaching the government of a country you are illegal living in is a very good way to get deported.
So you're claiming that once these boat immigrants step on the European soil they march straigth into a workplace and start working? This isn't the case.
by Imperializt Russia » Thu May 28, 2015 12:14 pm
Calimera II wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:Which wouldn't be solving the cause of the problem that is there is a humanitarian crisis(es) in Africa and the Middle East, resulting from the long, long-term fallout of European colonialism and more recently the fallout of Cold War tensions - that is pushing people out of their countries and into destitute camps. And from there, they rightly think this is no life for them and wish to move to Europe.
Syria, as a country, is practically ruined. Destroyed. The image of lights at night taken from space is pretty telling to that. What of the millions of displaced Syrians? "Sucks to be you"?
There are also stable countries in the Middle East and Africa, you know.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Teemant » Thu May 28, 2015 12:15 pm
Imperializt Russia wrote:Lydenburg wrote:
While that may very well ring true for Burundi or the Congo, it certainly wasn't the case with RSA. Or to a lesser extent Zimbabwe.
Start the country off with all the industrial and infrastructural advantages in the world but corruption can still get the better of it in the end.
Not all of them were, no. I was just quite stung by the "not our problem anymore" comment. We have a duty to fix what we royally fucked up.
Wasn't RSA one of the few countries to not undergo an industrial revolution because Britain simply imported industry to it?
by The Derpy Dominion » Thu May 28, 2015 12:16 pm
by Arcturus Novus » Thu May 28, 2015 12:16 pm
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by Calimera II » Thu May 28, 2015 12:17 pm
by Sorgan » Thu May 28, 2015 12:18 pm
by Cetacea » Thu May 28, 2015 12:18 pm
The Derpy Dominion wrote:Kick out the foreigners, Europe is for Europeans.
by Mister B » Thu May 28, 2015 12:18 pm
Teemant wrote:Mister B wrote:
Illegal immigrants tend to work and not claim benefits because approaching the government of a country you are illegal living in is a very good way to get deported.
So you're claiming that once these boat immigrants step on the European soil they march straigth into a workplace and start working? This isn't the case.
by NicolaSturgeon » Thu May 28, 2015 12:18 pm
The Derpy Dominion wrote:Kick out the foreigners, Europe is for Europeans.
by Imperializt Russia » Thu May 28, 2015 12:19 pm
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Arcturus Novus » Thu May 28, 2015 12:19 pm
The Derpy Dominion wrote:Kick out the foreigners, Europe is for Europeans.
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by Teemant » Thu May 28, 2015 12:20 pm
Sorgan wrote:Teemant wrote:
Things don't seem to improve one bit in Africa and it isn't Europe's fault anymore.
Oh no it's definitely still Europe's fault - just because time has passed doesn't mean its not Europe's fault anymore. There are other contributing factors of course but the enslavement, mass murder, and exploitation of the natives definitely has a big part in why things are the way they are.
I've always thought the idea of treating people differently because they were born on the other side of an imaginary line was kind of dumb. I agree with what Lydenburg said, if they can make ends meet hats off to them indeed.
by Nierra » Thu May 28, 2015 12:20 pm
by Teemant » Thu May 28, 2015 12:21 pm
Mister B wrote:Teemant wrote:
So you're claiming that once these boat immigrants step on the European soil they march straigth into a workplace and start working? This isn't the case.
Most of the boat "immigrants" are nothing of the sort, they are refugees from warzones like Syria and Iraq or failed/failing states like Somalia and Eritrea. As refugees they will be prevented from working by their host country and receive paltry benefits until their status is resolved.
Those who are actual immigrants will attempt to find work immediately as this is almost always the entire reason they are migrating. If they are in the country illegally and are not refugees they cannot receive benefits.
by Grave_n_idle » Thu May 28, 2015 12:21 pm
by Nierra » Thu May 28, 2015 12:22 pm
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