Traditional gender roles

[Replevion]

Give me a break. I've sat regularly with legs crossed most of my life, and I'm afflicted with the same genitalia.

Good for you.

You're the one challenging all the women about their balls as a way of making the point that they don't know. Well, I'm a woman who also happens to have balls, I do know, and I've called you on it. And my kids, plural, can vouch for the fact that crossing my legs most of life didn't affect my fertility one whit. (And I wouldn't do it if it weren't comfortable. Hell, it's how I'm sitting right now, and I'm super comfortable.)

In my experience, it's generally possible to sit comfortably without having to grab your balls, generally by being sensible about how you position yourself as you sit down.

Why must you leap to extremes?

Maybe he's one of those people that get aroused when in tightly-packed public spaces. That would make things significantly harder.

I see what you did there...

[Bottle]

I've long considered the T to be my own personal social psychology laboratory. So, when I first read about the "manspreading" thing, I naturally could not resist making a few observations:

First, most men do not "manspread."

Indeed, about a quarter of the men I observed seemed to prefer to cross their legs when seated. My informal survey found that only perhaps one in ten men would spread their legs wider than the boundaries of their own seat.

To me this disproves the idea that standard-issue testicles require at least a foot of open airspace.

Second, despite the fact that my breasts are significantly larger than most testicles, it is not socially acceptable for me to "womanspread" and splay my elbows out to occupy more than the boundary of my own seat. Even if my breasts are sore or sweaty or uncomfortably crowded.

Third, it is not socially acceptable for me to adjust my breasts or bra while in public, even if I carefully wait to do so until after a male passenger has begun adjusting his balls.

Fourth, if you take the train from Davis Square to Park Street on a warm day, you will witness approximately 1.2 ballsack adjustments per train stop.

[Grave_n_idle]

In my experience, it's generally possible to sit comfortably without having to grab your balls, generally by being sensible about how you position yourself as you sit down.

Why must you leap to extremes?

Maybe he's one of those people that get aroused when in tightly-packed public spaces. That would make things significantly harder.

I... hadn't thought of that.

And wish I still hadn't.

*shudders*

[Murray land]

In my experience, it's generally possible to sit comfortably without having to grab your balls, generally by being sensible about how you position yourself as you sit down.

Why must you leap to extremes?

Maybe he's one of those people that get aroused when in tightly-packed public spaces. That would make things significantly harder.

Maybe you have a small cock and dont have these pproblems

[Ostroeuropa]

I've long considered the T to be my own personal social psychology laboratory. So, when I first read about the "manspreading" thing, I naturally could not resist making a few observations:

First, most men do not "manspread."

Indeed, about a quarter of the men I observed seemed to prefer to cross their legs when seated. My informal survey found that only perhaps one in ten men would spread their legs wider than the boundaries of their own seat.

To me this disproves the idea that standard-issue testicles require at least a foot of open airspace.

Second, despite the fact that my breasts are significantly larger than most testicles, it is not socially acceptable for me to "womanspread" and splay my elbows out to occupy more than the boundary of my own seat. Even if my breasts are sore or sweaty or uncomfortably crowded.

Third, it is not socially acceptable for me to adjust my breasts or bra while in public, even if I carefully wait to do so until after a male passenger has begun adjusting his balls.

Fourth, if you take the train from Davis Square to Park Street on a warm day, you will witness approximately 1.2 ballsack adjustments per train stop.

The third is shitty. Women should be able to adjust their boobs. Whats your basis for claiming it though?

[Grave_n_idle]

I've long considered the T to be my own personal social psychology laboratory. So, when I first read about the "manspreading" thing, I naturally could not resist making a few observations:

First, most men do not "manspread."

Indeed, about a quarter of the men I observed seemed to prefer to cross their legs when seated. My informal survey found that only perhaps one in ten men would spread their legs wider than the boundaries of their own seat.

To me this disproves the idea that standard-issue testicles require at least a foot of open airspace.

Second, despite the fact that my breasts are significantly larger than most testicles, it is not socially acceptable for me to "womanspread" and splay my elbows out to occupy more than the boundary of my own seat. Even if my breasts are sore or sweaty or uncomfortably crowded.

Third, it is not socially acceptable for me to adjust my breasts or bra while in public, even if I carefully wait to do so until after a male passenger has begun adjusting his balls.

Fourth, if you take the train from Davis Square to Park Street on a warm day, you will witness approximately 1.2 ballsack adjustments per train stop.

Purely anecdotal, I know - but most guys I've seen on public transport seem to sit with their ankles crossed, and their legs fairly close together.

In fact, about the only time I see 'manspreading' is when there's a group of guys, and they seem to be trying to 'impress' each other.

[Esternial]

Maybe he's one of those people that get aroused when in tightly-packed public spaces. That would make things significantly harder.

Maybe you have a small cock and dont have these pproblems

For a self-proclaimed gentleman you're quite the rude biscuit.

[Murray land]

Good for you.

You're the one challenging all the women about their balls as a way of making the point that they don't know. Well, I'm a woman who also happens to have balls, I do know, and I've called you on it. And my kids, plural, can vouch for the fact that crossing my legs most of life didn't affect my fertility one whit. (And I wouldn't do it if it weren't comfortable. Hell, it's how I'm sitting right now, and I'm super comfortable.)

Maybe he's one of those people that get aroused when in tightly-packed public spaces. That would make things significantly harder.

I see what you did there...

[Bottle]

I've long considered the T to be my own personal social psychology laboratory. So, when I first read about the "manspreading" thing, I naturally could not resist making a few observations:

First, most men do not "manspread."

Indeed, about a quarter of the men I observed seemed to prefer to cross their legs when seated. My informal survey found that only perhaps one in ten men would spread their legs wider than the boundaries of their own seat.

To me this disproves the idea that standard-issue testicles require at least a foot of open airspace.

Second, despite the fact that my breasts are significantly larger than most testicles, it is not socially acceptable for me to "womanspread" and splay my elbows out to occupy more than the boundary of my own seat. Even if my breasts are sore or sweaty or uncomfortably crowded.

Third, it is not socially acceptable for me to adjust my breasts or bra while in public, even if I carefully wait to do so until after a male passenger has begun adjusting his balls.

Fourth, if you take the train from Davis Square to Park Street on a warm day, you will witness approximately 1.2 ballsack adjustments per train stop.

The third is shitty. Women should be able to adjust their boobs. Whats your basis for claiming it though?

Got a few weird looks, and one elderly woman did a comic double-take. Nothing horrid of course, just enough for me to intuit that one mustn't scoop one's tit into a more comfortable angle whilst on the train.

[Farnhamia]

Maybe he's one of those people that get aroused when in tightly-packed public spaces. That would make things significantly harder.

Maybe you have a small cock and dont have these pproblems

Maybe you should take the day off and think about your posting style.

*** 1 day ban for flame-bait ***

[Farnhamia]

In my experience, it's generally possible to sit comfortably without having to grab your balls, generally by being sensible about how you position yourself as you sit down.

Why must you leap to extremes?

Maybe he's one of those people that get aroused when in tightly-packed public spaces. That would make things significantly harder.

*** Warned for flame-bait ***

You should know better than to indulge in this kind of baiting, you really should.

[Esternial]

You should know better than to indulge in this kind of baiting, you really should.

In hindsight, yes, my gag was a bit over the top and I apologise for that, but for the record - since there's no report thread and it's pointless to make one for a mere comment - I do take offence to the implication/accusation that I was actively "indulging in baiting".

[Ostroeuropa]

The third is shitty. Women should be able to adjust their boobs. Whats your basis for claiming it though?

Got a few weird looks, and one elderly woman did a comic double-take. Nothing horrid of course, just enough for me to intuit that one mustn't scoop one's tit into a more comfortable angle whilst on the train.

Was it mostly women or men, out of interest?
I ask because slut shaming is primarily done by women, and i'd think the two attitudes may be related.

[Galloism]

The third is shitty. Women should be able to adjust their boobs. Whats your basis for claiming it though?

Got a few weird looks, and one elderly woman did a comic double-take. Nothing horrid of course, just enough for me to intuit that one mustn't scoop one's tit into a more comfortable angle whilst on the train.

People are so touchy.

[Benuty]

Depends on how a culture defines gender roles given they can be very different from the image people in the Anglosphere think of. Regardless of what Neo-Victorian hipsters say.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I've long considered the T to be my own personal social psychology laboratory. So, when I first read about the "manspreading" thing, I naturally could not resist making a few observations:

First, most men do not "manspread."

I'd dispute this, as a man. Since the first time I heard of it, I've noticed it. Like, all the time. Women take up as little space as possible and men take up the most. I do it too, I never cross my legs, they're always open wide and I take the arm rests whenever possible. I take note when I start thinking about it of who is doing what regarding how much space they take up, and it's almost always exactly the same. It's a thing.

[Parhe]

I ride the Dallas light rail multiple times every weeks and I never noticed a difference in how much space people take based off of sex or gender. Though it should be said the route I take isn't very full at the times I use it so that might be why people are so open to taking a whole seat alone; the seating arrangement is kind of like that of a bus in that most the seats are a pair that face either forwards or back. And I'm pretty nitpick-y about this type of stuff, people taking more space then they should with their legs so I notice when people do it.

[Bottle]

Got a few weird looks, and one elderly woman did a comic double-take. Nothing horrid of course, just enough for me to intuit that one mustn't scoop one's tit into a more comfortable angle whilst on the train.

Was it mostly women or men, out of interest?
I ask because slut shaming is primarily done by women, and i'd think the two attitudes may be related.

A mix, if memory serves. I know there was at least one teenage boy who (bless his heart) looked away very quickly.

Interesting that you say "slut shaming" is primarily done by women, though, as my experience has been the opposite. Perhaps there are cultural or regional differences...?

[Bottle]

I've long considered the T to be my own personal social psychology laboratory. So, when I first read about the "manspreading" thing, I naturally could not resist making a few observations:

First, most men do not "manspread."

I'd dispute this, as a man. Since the first time I heard of it, I've noticed it. Like, all the time. Women take up as little space as possible and men take up the most. I do it too, I never cross my legs, they're always open wide and I take the arm rests whenever possible. I take note when I start thinking about it of who is doing what regarding how much space they take up, and it's almost always exactly the same. It's a thing.

To clarify, I defined "manspreading" as a fellow spreading his legs beyond the boundaries of his own seat; that is to say, taking up more than "his fair share" of space when most seats were occupied. Whether or not men occupied more space in general is a different question.

I'd agree with your assessment that women tend to make themselves smaller while men do not. To call back to my earlier post, women do not flare their elbows out to make room for their breasts, even if they are extremely busty.

[Aahmerica]

I done always said, I don't care who brings home the bacon, so long as bacon is in the fridge-I'm happy.

I'd be down to have a sugarmomma.

[Grave_n_idle]

Was it mostly women or men, out of interest?
I ask because slut shaming is primarily done by women, and i'd think the two attitudes may be related.

A mix, if memory serves. I know there was at least one teenage boy who (bless his heart) looked away very quickly.

Interesting that you say "slut shaming" is primarily done by women, though, as my experience has been the opposite. Perhaps there are cultural or regional differences...?

The same has been my experience, both sides of the Atlantic - so it seems unlikely.

I suspect Ostroeuropa is simply wrong on this one.

[Tekania]

It really only becomes a strike against your character if you think it's acceptable or good to punish others for not falling in to your proscribed gender roles.

Thought I also think that personally ascribing to them makes you more likely to neglect your own talents and needs.

Yes, people and partners need to match themselves based upon their own perceived tastes.... and not attempt to control or dictate to others what roles everyone needs to conform to.

[Replevion]

Was it mostly women or men, out of interest?
I ask because slut shaming is primarily done by women, and i'd think the two attitudes may be related.

A mix, if memory serves. I know there was at least one teenage boy who (bless his heart) looked away very quickly.

Interesting that you say "slut shaming" is primarily done by women, though, as my experience has been the opposite. Perhaps there are cultural or regional differences...?

While my first hand experience is still limited having only been able to express my womanhood for the last year or so, both that and my proxy experience have lead me to think similarly that it's mainly women who slut-shame. And it makes sense, a fair amount of guys would rather leer at whomever they perceive as slutty, but most women are going to perceive them as sexual threats and/or reminders of their own self-constraint which may or may not be wholly voluntary (social pressure) and that engenders bitterness etc. and all that is magnified by age and generational cultural/norms.

[Kelinfort]

A mix, if memory serves. I know there was at least one teenage boy who (bless his heart) looked away very quickly.

Interesting that you say "slut shaming" is primarily done by women, though, as my experience has been the opposite. Perhaps there are cultural or regional differences...?

The same has been my experience, both sides of the Atlantic - so it seems unlikely.

I suspect Ostroeuropa is simply wrong on this one.

Yeah, he is. In my experience, women have and do slut shame, but nowhere near the extent men do when women are not around.

[Replevion]

The same has been my experience, both sides of the Atlantic - so it seems unlikely.

I suspect Ostroeuropa is simply wrong on this one.

Yeah, he is. In my experience, women have and do slut shame, but nowhere near the extent men do when women are not around.

I guess I just hang around better men. Actually, I'm certain I do.

Edit: As I think about it, slut-shaming out of the presence of the target of said shaming, while still reprehensible, doesn't have the same effect. Women are more likely to it to each other in person than men are.