The NationStates Feminist Thread

[Val Halla]

Of course prostitution should be illegal. Men or women. I don't care if you use the "Well it is my body, and I will choose how to use it!!" bullcrap. It is an occupation that is riddled with STIs and other infections, and is therefore illegal. Legalizing prostitution and legalizing cocaine have the same principal. While it's your body, both of them can cause harm to others. And if you are about to say "Well they chose to buy it!!" or "They are buying the sex!!", then your stupidity is beyond me.

Legalizing it would get rid of those problems...

[The Alexanderians]

Of course prostitution should be illegal. Men or women. I don't care if you use the "Well it is my body, and I will choose how to use it!!" bullcrap. It is an occupation that is riddled with STIs and other infections, and is therefore illegal. Legalizing prostitution and legalizing cocaine have the same principal. While it's your body, both of them can cause harm to others. And if you are about to say "Well they chose to buy it!!" or "They are buying the sex!!", then your stupidity is beyond me.

Where'd this come from?

[Val Halla]

Why don't you change it so it's relevant to all males then, and not just men?

Because we're trans-inclusive and because children generally aren't into activism compared to adults. We do cover boys issues.

What does being trans-inclusive have to do with that?

And I'm pretty sure most MRAs are not trans friendly, it's just your personal stance that you're trying to claim most MRAs have.

[Galloism]

Because we're trans-inclusive and because children generally aren't into activism compared to adults. We do cover boys issues.

What does being trans-inclusive have to do with that?

And I'm pretty sure most MRAs are not trans friendly, it's just your personal stance that you're trying to claim most MRAs have.

Why are you pretty sure of that?

[Val Halla]

What does being trans-inclusive have to do with that?

And I'm pretty sure most MRAs are not trans friendly, it's just your personal stance that you're trying to claim most MRAs have.

Why are you pretty sure of that?

Because why would they? Most people in general don't support trans issues, why would a gender specific ideal be more inclusive?

[Galloism]

Why are you pretty sure of that?

Because why would they? Most people in general don't support trans issues, why would a gender specific ideal be more inclusive?

Well, perhaps because a rather significant portion of their base seems to be bisexual or homosexual compared with the general population.

I mean, sure, that's not really the same thing, but it does go to show that they seem not to be tied to gendered norms of sexuality.

I've also never seen any hostility out of any of the MRAs on nationstates with regards to transgender folks.

[Val Halla]

Because why would they? Most people in general don't support trans issues, why would a gender specific ideal be more inclusive?

Well, perhaps because a rather significant portion of their base seems to be bisexual or homosexual compared with the general population.

I mean, sure, that's not really the same thing, but it does go to show that they seem not to be tied to gendered norms of sexuality.

I've also never seen any hostility out of any of the MRAs on nationstates with regards to transgender folks.

There aren't many, and I'm sure you won't really see anyone on here that's openly hostile to trans people regardless.

[Galloism]

Well, perhaps because a rather significant portion of their base seems to be bisexual or homosexual compared with the general population.

I mean, sure, that's not really the same thing, but it does go to show that they seem not to be tied to gendered norms of sexuality.

I've also never seen any hostility out of any of the MRAs on nationstates with regards to transgender folks.

There aren't many, and I'm sure you won't really see anyone on here that's openly hostile to trans people regardless.

Oh we have plenty of people openly hostile to trans people on nationstates. We just don't let them troll, but they are still allowed to express their hostility to trans-people and often do.

Chessmistress, for example, shows a lot of hostility towards trans-people while trying to pretend it's not really hostility.

[Dankmemes420]

Of course prostitution should be illegal. Men or women. I don't care if you use the "Well it is my body, and I will choose how to use it!!" bullcrap. It is an occupation that is riddled with STIs and other infections, and is therefore illegal. Legalizing prostitution and legalizing cocaine have the same principal. While it's your body, both of them can cause harm to others. And if you are about to say "Well they chose to buy it!!" or "They are buying the sex!!", then your stupidity is beyond me.

Legalizing it would get rid of those problems...

Really, please do tell. Do you actually think that legalizing it would get rid of problems? No, it would just draw a bigger crowd. The most that legalizing it would do would be to put restrictions that would regularly be broken. If there were actual institutions for this, then they would cost massive amounts, so people would still go to the less protective ones, which I am guessing would still be illegal. But by all means, explain your point to me.

[Val Halla]

There aren't many, and I'm sure you won't really see anyone on here that's openly hostile to trans people regardless.

Oh we have plenty of people openly hostile to trans people on nationstates. We just don't let them troll, but they are still allowed to express their hostility to trans-people and often do.

Chessmistress, for example, shows a lot of hostility towards trans-people while trying to pretend it's not really hostility.

Chessmistress is both a serious minority and somebody everyone seems to highly disagree with.

[Ostroeuropa]

Why are you pretty sure of that?

Because why would they? Most people in general don't support trans issues, why would a gender specific ideal be more inclusive?

Honestly?

A few reasons.

1. Trans or sex minority themselves. (20% LGBT remember.)

2. Political calculation and maneuvering to prevent transphobia accusations as a method of criticism so they can keep the conversation about mens issues going.

3. Solidarity rabblerousing about transmen being men and no man left behind, and how transwomens issues are mens issues since the people attacking them think they are deviant men, and so these are "Our people" too. This was common in the earlier days of this wave. "It's not real solidarity if you're leaving people out" and such.

4. A hardon for the scientific method and empiricism, since it so often eviscerates feminists, combined with the scientific data on transpersons.

5. We don't care what you are. Do you hate this system?

6. Because it allows them to have another point to score against feminists.

7. Genuine understanding.

There. That's the honest answer.

[Liberonscien]

Wow, that's a terrible article with amazing amounts of unsubstantiated claims. Their claim that feminists "are working" on X, Y, Z is stated repeatedly throughout the text, but no evidence of such is given.

They, like many, also conflate MGTOW with MRAs.

RationalWiki is simply another version of Conservipedia just a different political leaning

It is a response to conservapedia.

[Galloism]

Legalizing it would get rid of those problems...

Really, please do tell. Do you actually think that legalizing it would get rid of problems? No, it would just draw a bigger crowd. The most that legalizing it would do would be to put restrictions that would regularly be broken. If there were actual institutions for this, then they would cost massive amounts, so people would still go to the less protective ones, which I am guessing would still be illegal. But by all means, explain your point to me.

Actually - Nevada prostitutes, where it's legal, have lower rates of STDs than porn stars in California.

[Galloism]

Oh we have plenty of people openly hostile to trans people on nationstates. We just don't let them troll, but they are still allowed to express their hostility to trans-people and often do.

Chessmistress, for example, shows a lot of hostility towards trans-people while trying to pretend it's not really hostility.

Chessmistress is both a serious minority and somebody everyone seems to highly disagree with.

/shrug

Everyone disagrees with Ostro because of the ridiculous ass shit he spouts, but he has no hatred of trans people.

[Liberonscien]

By the way, Jutes use of an utterly fucking terrible source is another common problem among AMR feminists.

Remember that article posted in the mens rights thread by whats his name that was utter nonsense?

This is what these people are like, just in general. I keep telling you all, they don't actually understand how to interact with reality. They have no concept of what it means to evaluate evidence, and can't recognize proper journalism.
That's why they believe these patently untrue things about the MRM.

They never bother going to the horses mouth, rather, they continually listen to and repeat things they are told by feminists about the MRM.
When they say something as completely removed from reality as the MRM is pro-traditional gender roles, all it shows is that they are either utterly ignorant, or don't want a proper conversation. There is no use talking to them, you can only point out to everyone exactly what type of person they are. The same type of person as creationists who wander in and ramble about tornados building a plane, and who link you to kent hovind to prove it.

AMR?

[Val Halla]

Legalizing it would get rid of those problems...

Really, please do tell. Do you actually think that legalizing it would get rid of problems? No, it would just draw a bigger crowd. The most that legalizing it would do would be to put restrictions that would regularly be broken. If there were actual institutions for this, then they would cost massive amounts, so people would still go to the less protective ones, which I am guessing would still be illegal. But by all means, explain your point to me.

Erm... Because it has worked in other countries?

[Kelinfort]

Really, please do tell. Do you actually think that legalizing it would get rid of problems? No, it would just draw a bigger crowd. The most that legalizing it would do would be to put restrictions that would regularly be broken. If there were actual institutions for this, then they would cost massive amounts, so people would still go to the less protective ones, which I am guessing would still be illegal. But by all means, explain your point to me.

Actually - Nevada prostitutes, where it's legal, have lower rates of STDs than porn stars in California.

I wouldn't used Nevada as an example. It's pretty bad in terms of legal prostitution.

[The Alexanderians]

RationalWiki is simply another version of Conservipedia just a different political leaning

It is a response to conservapedia.

and somehow it didn't improve much

[Liberonscien]

Maybe you could, like, not give a shit about either.

I don't like the title. It sounds stupid. "Mens Right Activist". I can stand for gender equality (And, y'know, I do) without giving myself that mantle.

I like HRA. Human Rights Activist.

[Galloism]

Actually - Nevada prostitutes, where it's legal, have lower rates of STDs than porn stars in California.

I wouldn't used Nevada as an example. It's pretty bad in terms of legal prostitution.

And yet, despite that, is still miles ahead of illegal prostitution.

[The Alexanderians]

Maybe you could, like, not give a shit about either.

I don't like the title. It sounds stupid. "Mens Right Activist". I can stand for gender equality (And, y'know, I do) without giving myself that mantle.

I like HRA. Human Rights Activist.

is a broader term and I think it's already taken, at that point why not just be an egalitarian?

[Dankmemes420]

Really, please do tell. Do you actually think that legalizing it would get rid of problems? No, it would just draw a bigger crowd. The most that legalizing it would do would be to put restrictions that would regularly be broken. If there were actual institutions for this, then they would cost massive amounts, so people would still go to the less protective ones, which I am guessing would still be illegal. But by all means, explain your point to me.

Erm... Because it has worked in other countries?

Please cite examples of other countries where prosititution is legal and the STI rate in it is actually lower than before it was legalized.

[Val Halla]

I like HRA. Human Rights Activist.

is a broader term and I think it's already taken, at that point why not just be an egalitarian?

As I've said in the past, if you stand for gender equality and don't declare yourself feminist or MRA, you'll be subject to belittlement, and I've also said it's the only reason I call myself one.

[Liberonscien]

I like HRA. Human Rights Activist.

is a broader term and I think it's already taken, at that point why not just be an egalitarian?

It is taken? Aww.
I am egalitarian.

[Wallenburg]

Chessmistress is both a serious minority and somebody everyone seems to highly disagree with.

/shrug

Everyone disagrees with Ostro because of the ridiculous ass shit he spouts, but he has no hatred of trans people.

I'm still not sure which person I disagree with more: Chess or Ostro. It would be fun to see them duke it out though. I've always imagined it would be like that Iron Man vs. Thor fight in the Avengers movie.