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Postby New Reutlingen » Wed May 27, 2015 1:27 pm

"We don't want to hurt just their feelings, so we'll be ultra-tolerant like the swedes and hurt everyone's feelings."

What a fucking joke.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed May 27, 2015 1:31 pm

New Reutlingen wrote:"We don't want to hurt just their feelings, so we'll be ultra-tolerant like the swedes and hurt everyone's feelings."

What a fucking joke.

Agreed. Alabama should've just legalized gay marriage instead of this crap.
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Postby New Reutlingen » Wed May 27, 2015 1:33 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
New Reutlingen wrote:"We don't want to hurt just their feelings, so we'll be ultra-tolerant like the swedes and hurt everyone's feelings."

What a fucking joke.

Agreed. Alabama should've just legalized gay marriage instead of this crap.


As some one who is firmly against gay marriage, I'd like to say that this is a far better solution than this.

Or, they could have seceded, and started World War 3 with the help of Russia to defend the states rights.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed May 27, 2015 1:37 pm

New Reutlingen wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Agreed. Alabama should've just legalized gay marriage instead of this crap.


As some one who is firmly against gay marriage, I'd like to say that this is a far better solution than this.

Of course you'd like to, but you can't.
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Postby Greater Atlanta » Wed May 27, 2015 6:08 pm

Can we all just stop bashing states? Each state is different, and their decisions should be respected. We cant all just expect every state to agree with something and then bash the ones that don't. If Alabama wants to do that, then fine. they have every right to. Its a state issue, they broke no federal laws, and that's that. I really don't see what the big deal is.

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Postby Steamtopia » Wed May 27, 2015 6:09 pm

Greater Atlanta wrote:Can we all just stop bashing states? Each state is different, and their decisions should be respected. We cant all just expect every state to agree with something and then bash the ones that don't. If Alabama wants to do that, then fine. they have every right to. Its a state issue, they broke no federal laws, and that's that. I really don't see what the big deal is.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed May 27, 2015 6:11 pm

Greater Atlanta wrote:Can we all just stop bashing states? Each state is different, and their decisions should be respected. We cant all just expect every state to agree with something and then bash the ones that don't. If Alabama wants to do that, then fine. they have every right to. Its a state issue, they broke no federal laws, and that's that. I really don't see what the big deal is.


I'm going to keep bashing stupid states as long as they keep being stupid, thanks.
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Postby Parhe » Wed May 27, 2015 6:26 pm

I still don't see how this move is stupid. Judges refuse to sign off marriage licenses for homosexual couples so the senate decides to take judges out of the equation. It is still a contract, I doubt the state government will stop recognizing marriages because now you just need a notary or other lawyer. This seems much easier than forcing change onto the judges.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Wed May 27, 2015 6:29 pm

Not entirely opposed. I think their reasoning is stupid, but marriage needs to be abolished.
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Postby Rob Halfordia » Wed May 27, 2015 6:31 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:Not entirely opposed. I think their reasoning is stupid, but marriage needs to be abolished.

Why, because you don't agree with it, and because of that, it shouldn't exist?
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Wed May 27, 2015 6:40 pm

Rob Halfordia wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:Not entirely opposed. I think their reasoning is stupid, but marriage needs to be abolished.

Why, because you don't agree with it, and because of that, it shouldn't exist?


Marriage is a tool of the state and religion. As both the state and religion should be abolished (in favor of stateless government and spirituality), marriage would cease to exist. Marriage is also an institution that has, historically, been used to discriminate against LGBT+ individuals (denying them equal rights by granting exclusivity to heterosexuals. This is not the case as much anymore, obviously), maintain women be economically dependent on men, and incentivize excessive childbirth for nationalistic ideals like "populating the homeland". It maintains traditional gender roles and social hierarchies that should be rejected, in favor of voluntary relationships. Free love, man.

I'm not opposing love or relationships, or the word "marriage", but institutional marriage requires the state or religion, both of which are unnecessary.
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Postby Rob Halfordia » Wed May 27, 2015 6:42 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Rob Halfordia wrote:Why, because you don't agree with it, and because of that, it shouldn't exist?


Marriage is a tool of the state and religion. As both the state and religion should be abolished (in favor of stateless government and spirituality), marriage would cease to exist. Marriage is also an institution that has, historically, been used to discriminate against LGBT+ individuals, maintain women be economically dependent on men, and incentivize excessive childbirth for nationalistic ideals like "populating the homeland". It maintains traditional gender roles and social hierarchies that should be rejected, in favor of voluntary relationships. Free love, man.

I'm not opposing love or relationships, or the word "marriage", but institutional marriage requires the state or religion, both of which are unnecessary.

Oh right, I forgot, you're an edgy teenager anarchist.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Wed May 27, 2015 6:58 pm

Rob Halfordia wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Marriage is a tool of the state and religion. As both the state and religion should be abolished (in favor of stateless government and spirituality), marriage would cease to exist. Marriage is also an institution that has, historically, been used to discriminate against LGBT+ individuals, maintain women be economically dependent on men, and incentivize excessive childbirth for nationalistic ideals like "populating the homeland". It maintains traditional gender roles and social hierarchies that should be rejected, in favor of voluntary relationships. Free love, man.

I'm not opposing love or relationships, or the word "marriage", but institutional marriage requires the state or religion, both of which are unnecessary.

Oh right, I forgot, you're an edgy teenager anarchist.


Please, tell me more about how the ideals of Benjamin Tucker, Kevin Carson, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and Voltairine de Cleyre are "edgy teenager" ideals. All of those who I listed were undeniably adults.
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed May 27, 2015 7:02 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Rob Halfordia wrote:Oh right, I forgot, you're an edgy teenager anarchist.


Please, tell me more about how the ideals of Benjamin Tucker, Kevin Carson, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and Voltairine de Cleyre are "edgy teenager" ideals. All of those who I listed were undeniably adults.

Adults can be edgy teenagers.
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Postby Rob Halfordia » Wed May 27, 2015 7:02 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Rob Halfordia wrote:Oh right, I forgot, you're an edgy teenager anarchist.


Please, tell me more about how the ideals of Benjamin Tucker, Kevin Carson, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and Voltairine de Cleyre are "edgy teenager" ideals. All of those who I listed were undeniably adults.

Three Days Grace is a band of adults, but that doesn't mean it's not for edgy teenagers. Same can be said for anarchism.
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Postby Ieperithem » Wed May 27, 2015 7:05 pm

Why not just eliminate government involvement with the institution altogether?

It saves money, everyone's happier because they get to choose for themselves what marriage means, and the pool of piranhas that is the modern day divorce system dries up overnight.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Wed May 27, 2015 7:06 pm

Rob Halfordia wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Please, tell me more about how the ideals of Benjamin Tucker, Kevin Carson, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and Voltairine de Cleyre are "edgy teenager" ideals. All of those who I listed were undeniably adults.

Three Days Grace is a band of adults, but that doesn't mean it's not for edgy teenagers. Same can be said for anarchism.


:palm:

Rather than engage in logical debate, you dismiss an entire set of ideologies as "edgy teenagers" likely without any familiarity with anarchist theory. Stay classy.
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Postby Mandicoria » Wed May 27, 2015 7:07 pm

Eastern Equestria wrote:It's Alabama. What do you expect?

The thing that's surprising is that they 1-upped Mississippi.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Wed May 27, 2015 7:07 pm

Ieperithem wrote:Why not just eliminate government involvement with the institution altogether?

It saves money, everyone's happier because they get to choose for themselves what marriage means, and the pool of piranhas that is the modern day divorce system dries up overnight.


Makes sense. I'd go a step further and encourage the abolition of it as a social institution as well, but this would work.
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Postby Anollasia » Wed May 27, 2015 7:07 pm

I'm surprised they're banning marriage. Are there any RL places where marriage is banned?

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed May 27, 2015 7:10 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Rob Halfordia wrote:Oh right, I forgot, you're an edgy teenager anarchist.


Please, tell me more about how the ideals of Benjamin Tucker, Kevin Carson, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and Voltairine de Cleyre are "edgy teenager" ideals. All of those who I listed were undeniably adults.

Actually, they're old grumbler ideals.

"Damn taxes!"
"Damn police!"
"Damn government!"
"Damn military!"
"Damn bureaucracy!"

Coincidentally, most of those people you named are old.
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Postby Haktiva » Wed May 27, 2015 7:13 pm

Well as long as no one is legally being forced to be married I don't see any problem with this. Don't really need the state involved to have someone that close to you.

Actually, I take that back. It can mess with inheritance and medical issues(who has power of attorney, emergency contacts and all that). At any rate I'm no advocate for marriage anyways, best to not get the state involved in your personal life.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Wed May 27, 2015 7:29 pm

This is what happens when the federal government lets backwater states have too much power.
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