Thoughts on Death.

[Warpspace]

No, not really. When my self-contained universe is inevitably destroyed, it will be rendered useless. It's like doing a bunch of paper work only for you to go and burn it all the moment you're done. Once you die, your work and achievements are gone from your view. And in time, you will be forgotten just like everyone else.

Sure, they're gone from our view, but we leave them behind for the betterment of the world, hopefully.
And maybe people won't always remember your name, or my name. But they'll remember the good you did, and the light you left behind.

There is no betterment of the world. All you accomplish will be destroyed by entropy- nothing will ever survive. Given statistics, you are probably an unremarkable person, meaning you will be utterly forgotten and erased for all intents and purposes. But even if you are remarkable, your achievements will be annihilated by time. The species will perish, the Earth will die, Sol will burn itself out, and even the Milky Way will be demolished by a collision with Andromeda.

Complacency with death is utterly absurd. Whatever scant purpose is achieved in the universe, it is only done through continuing to exist. Hell, thanks to depression or some other mental disorder I suffer from suicidal thoughts from the emotional side of my brain, but thanks to my logic I find the idea of death utterly terrifying- oblivion is to be avoided at all costs. Any existence is preferable to nonexistence- your life, no matter how horrible, can only improve.

Death is unacceptable, the destruction of the mind is not something to be taken lying down.

I suppose that is fine when you are young and death seems far away. when you are old like me (57!) you start to see that there are things far worse than death and that it is useless to fight something that is going to happen no matter what. we all die.

As a diseased cripple, death is both close and I am quite used to things people consider "worse". Logically they are false- there is nothing worse than death. Even pain is preferable to nonexistence- pain reminds you that your flesh yet lives.

Plus science is close to curing aging to begin with. Death is just a disease, something to be fixed in the flawed form of Homo sapiens.

[Pandeeria]

No, not really. When my self-contained universe is inevitably destroyed, it will be rendered useless. It's like doing a bunch of paper work only for you to go and burn it all the moment you're done. Once you die, your work and achievements are gone from your view. And in time, you will be forgotten just like everyone else.

Except you are still alive right now, and you will see the benefits of having the best life you possibly can. Those around you can likewise benefit from your actions, and you can create a legacy lasting long after your own death.

Even if I was a celebrity, or I discovered the cure to cancer and became famous, eventually my name and achievements will inevitably die out.

The legacy you leave will be destroyed. You and everyone else will be forgotten. Everything is ultimately pointless.

[Frasers]

there is nothing worse than death.

subjectively for you perhaps, for me I can think of plenty of things worse than death

[Jefferson and Madison]

One of the two inevitable things, along with taxes.

Live life now, make your mark on the world in a positive way, and then it ends.

[Frasers]

Even if I was a celebrity, or I discovered the cure to cancer and became famous, eventually my name and achievements will inevitably die out.

The legacy you leave will be destroyed. You and everyone else will be forgotten. Everything is ultimately pointless.

But none of that matters because all that actually counts is your lived experience. Just gotta get on with life and have loads of mad fun and that, fuck leaving a legacy, enjoy it while it lasts.

[Ice Cold Pepsi II]

I am not afraid of death, it comes to all of us and we certainly won't be floating in clouds with some magical dude with a beard like religious folk believe. We'll either be ash floating around or worm food.

[Luminesa]

Sure, they're gone from our view, but we leave them behind for the betterment of the world, hopefully.
And maybe people won't always remember your name, or my name. But they'll remember the good you did, and the light you left behind.

There is no betterment of the world. All you accomplish will be destroyed by entropy- nothing will ever survive. Given statistics, you are probably an unremarkable person, meaning you will be utterly forgotten and erased for all intents and purposes. But even if you are remarkable, your achievements will be annihilated by time. The species will perish, the Earth will die, Sol will burn itself out, and even the Milky Way will be demolished by a collision with Andromeda.

I suppose that is fine when you are young and death seems far away. when you are old like me (57!) you start to see that there are things far worse than death and that it is useless to fight something that is going to happen no matter what. we all die.

As a diseased cripple, death is both close and I am quite used to things people consider "worse". Logically they are false- there is nothing worse than death. Even pain is preferable to nonexistence- pain reminds you that your flesh yet lives.

Plus science is close to curing aging to begin with. Death is just a disease, something to be fixed in the flawed form of Homo sapiens.

I'm curious...your quote that's part of your sig sounds quite optimistic, actually. If one moment can have so much power and can bring so much happiness, imagine how much power and happiness could be made if we lived every moment to the fullest. Even if you're crippled, your life still has value and power. Sure, the universe might blow-up in a couple million years...but what's the point of worrying about that? We can't do anything about that! And we don't even know if it's gonna happen exactly like that!

Even in painful moments, if one puts their heart to it, they can bring something beautiful.
My little sister is crippled by Cerebral Palsy, but that doesn't stop her from being a light to my life.

As far as the aging part...I dunno, people are still aging. Even if I feel 12 inside, it doesn't change that I'm 18...

[The Flutterlands]

Ironically, I find living forever in this life, to be a whole lot worse than ceasing to exist upon dying.

[Pandeeria]

Even if I was a celebrity, or I discovered the cure to cancer and became famous, eventually my name and achievements will inevitably die out.

The legacy you leave will be destroyed. You and everyone else will be forgotten. Everything is ultimately pointless.

But none of that matters because all that actually counts is your lived experience. Just gotta get on with life and have loads of mad fun and that, fuck leaving a legacy, enjoy it while it lasts.

You're right, life does not matter. We all die, all of our experiences here on Earth will come to an end and we'll forget them (both us when we cease to exist, and everyone around us when we are forgotten to history). They are pointless.

[Mysterious Stranger]

But none of that matters because all that actually counts is your lived experience. Just gotta get on with life and have loads of mad fun and that, fuck leaving a legacy, enjoy it while it lasts.

You're right, life does not matter. We all die, all of our experiences here on Earth will come to an end and we'll forget them (both us when we cease to exist, and everyone around us when we are forgotten to history). They are pointless.

Doesn't matter to who? Things don't just matter, things matter to people. That's what it means for something to be significant; that someone cares about it. My life matters to me.

[Pandeeria]

You're right, life does not matter. We all die, all of our experiences here on Earth will come to an end and we'll forget them (both us when we cease to exist, and everyone around us when we are forgotten to history). They are pointless.

Doesn't matter to who? Things don't just matter, things matter to people. That's what it means for something to be significant; that someone cares about it. My life matters to me.

It will be wiped away in all it's forms. Perhaps not today, but some day it will be like you never did exist. Your memories and experiences will be gone from you. Everything ultimately doesn't matter. What we accomplish as a species will be destroyed. What we accomplish as individuals will eventually be wiped away.

[Crumlark]

I strongly desire to maintain my awareness and consciousness indefinitely. That is the idea that inspired beliefs (or at least hopes) of heaven, of anything beyond death. And the idea that I will end is not one I wish to hold, though I reject the idea of life after death. So instead I desperately hope that medicine will hit some sort of exponential growth in my lifetime, allowing immortality.

I want to live.

[Pandeeria]

I strongly desire to maintain my awareness and consciousness indefinitely. That is the idea that inspired beliefs (or at least hopes) of heaven, of anything beyond death. And the idea that I will end is not one I wish to hold, though I reject the idea of life after death. So instead I desperately hope that medicine will hit some sort of exponential growth in my lifetime, allowing immortality.

I want to live.

I hope you understand that's not going to happen. Due to modern medicine, you may live past a hundreds years of age, but we're definitely not going to get immortality.

But immortality would suck too. Unless it permanently stops aging, I'd rather be dead then an old senile man in a nursing home, not really able to move much and constantly coughing due to my poorly working old lungs.

[Luminesa]

Doesn't matter to who? Things don't just matter, things matter to people. That's what it means for something to be significant; that someone cares about it. My life matters to me.

It will be wiped away in all it's forms. Perhaps not today, but some day it will be like you never did exist. Your memories and experiences will be gone from you. Everything ultimately doesn't matter. What we accomplish as a species will be destroyed. What we accomplish as individuals will eventually be wiped away.

Well, we must be on this earth for some reason. I find this particular quote telling:

"The cause which is blocking all progress today is the subtle scepticism which whispers in a million ears that things are not good enough to be worth improving. If the world is good we are revolutionaries, if the world is evil we must be conservatives."
-G.K. Chesterton, "In Defense Of The New Edition"

Is the world good or evil?

[Pandeeria]

It will be wiped away in all it's forms. Perhaps not today, but some day it will be like you never did exist. Your memories and experiences will be gone from you. Everything ultimately doesn't matter. What we accomplish as a species will be destroyed. What we accomplish as individuals will eventually be wiped away.

Well, we must be on this earth for some reason. I find this particular quote telling:

"The cause which is blocking all progress today is the subtle scepticism which whispers in a million ears that things are not good enough to be worth improving. If the world is good we are revolutionaries, if the world is evil we must be conservatives."
-G.K. Chesterton, "In Defense Of The New Edition"

Is the world good or evil?

We're not on this earth for any reason. We appeared due to biological processes. We're a natural occurrence.

[Frasers]

You're right, life does not matter. We all die, all of our experiences here on Earth will come to an end and we'll forget them (both us when we cease to exist, and everyone around us when we are forgotten to history). They are pointless.

that's not what I said and you know it

[Crumlark]

I hope you understand that's not going to happen. Due to modern medicine, you may live past a hundreds years of age, but we're definitely not going to get immortality.

But immortality would suck too. Unless it permanently stops aging, I'd rather be dead then an old senile man in a nursing home, not really able to move much and constantly coughing due to my poorly working old lungs.

There is this book calls Swan Song, that details life beyond the end of the world, and near the beginning a minor character is introduced. He is a man who was at work when the bombs fell, and was attempting to reach his wife and children on foot. The main character pointed out that his home was close to where the bombs landed. This man ignored the comment, preferring to live with the lie for as long as he could.
Allow me my lie.

[Talion Union]

I'm assuming it's like the ending to The Sopranos- A permanent cut to black.

[Luminesa]

Well, we must be on this earth for some reason. I find this particular quote telling:

"The cause which is blocking all progress today is the subtle scepticism which whispers in a million ears that things are not good enough to be worth improving. If the world is good we are revolutionaries, if the world is evil we must be conservatives."
-G.K. Chesterton, "In Defense Of The New Edition"

Is the world good or evil?

We're not on this earth for any reason. We appeared due to biological processes. We're a natural occurrence.

Biological processes is a reason. But every person is different, right? And we can't just sit here and watch the world die! What, with all the
wonderful things humans can do, that's certainly not what we're made for.
Again, yes, the world will be gone one day. But what's the point of brooding over something that's so far away?

[Frasers]

I'm assuming it's like the ending to The Sopranos- A permanent cut to black.

Don't think of death as black because it's not

[Vandario]

I fear death in the way that well its death, I'm young got so much more life ahead of me, don't want it to end, but really in my beliefs religion speaking, a general rule of a lot of the people I've spoken to who are followers is "don't worry about it, live a good life now, live in the now, and the rest will take care of itself" so I do so, I live now, and when its my time its my time, and if I continue living my life well, and do my ancestors well, things will be fine.

[Pandeeria]

You're right, life does not matter. We all die, all of our experiences here on Earth will come to an end and we'll forget them (both us when we cease to exist, and everyone around us when we are forgotten to history). They are pointless.

that's not what I said and you know it

No, I took what you meant in a different perspective from the one you used when writing that post.

You said none of that matters because all that actually counts if your lived experience. And since your lived experiences are temporary, they do not matter.

[Pandeeria]

We're not on this earth for any reason. We appeared due to biological processes. We're a natural occurrence.

Biological processes is a reason. But every person is different, right? And we can't just sit here and watch the world die! What, with all the
wonderful things humans can do, that's certainly not what we're made for.
Again, yes, the world will be gone one day. But what's the point of brooding over something that's so far away?

Biological processes are more of a coincidence then anything. Considering how lucky we are that our ancestors survived for countless generations, our genus survived, even mammals managed to become the dominant form of animals on the planet, that Earth managed to get into the habitable zone around our sun, that our sun even formed, are all lucky coincidences that could've not happened.

And it's not far away. Perhaps the actual physical destruction of any and all legacies won't be for trillions of years, I will die in not very long. My life is almost instantaneously over compared to how long the universe will survive, or even how long our species survives.

[Mysterious Stranger]

Doesn't matter to who? Things don't just matter, things matter to people. That's what it means for something to be significant; that someone cares about it. My life matters to me.

It will be wiped away in all it's forms. Perhaps not today, but some day it will be like you never did exist. Your memories and experiences will be gone from you. Everything ultimately doesn't matter. What we accomplish as a species will be destroyed. What we accomplish as individuals will eventually be wiped away.

Yes, my actions don't affect things past a certain point in time. They also don't affect things prior to my birth. My memories won't be around any time after my brain stops being around, like they weren't around before it was. But I won't be around to care, or be affected. I care about some things that won't happen until after I'm dead, so I try as far as possible to do what I can now to make it so those things will happen. My life matters to me. Existence matters to me, because everything else I care about is dependent upon existence. Therefore everything matters to me. Everything should matter to you too- it affects you. Out existence as a species doesn't exist past a certain point. What I care about is the experience of our existence as a species. Therefore, what I care about is a thing which exists in a particular period of time. I don't not care about it because it doesn't exist in a different period of time then it does. When I, for example, get my mom a birthday present, I'm not trying to change the eternal nature of reality. I'm trying to make my mom happy. That's what I care about. And I do make my mom happy. Therefore, it accomplished exactly what I meant it to.

[Luminesa]

Biological processes is a reason. But every person is different, right? And we can't just sit here and watch the world die! What, with all the
wonderful things humans can do, that's certainly not what we're made for.
Again, yes, the world will be gone one day. But what's the point of brooding over something that's so far away?

Biological processes are more of a coincidence then anything. Considering how lucky we are that our ancestors survived for countless generations, our genus survived, even mammals managed to become the dominant form of animals on the planet, that Earth managed to get into the habitable zone around our sun, that our sun even formed, are all lucky coincidences that could've not happened.

And it's not far away. Perhaps the actual physical destruction of any and all legacies won't be for trillions of years, I will die in not very long. My life is almost instantaneously over compared to how long the universe will survive, or even how long our species survives.

You sure it's coincidence? Because physics might say otherwise.

As far as the human race goes...well, there's 7 billion of us, and about 200,000 net amount of babies are born every day...so I don't see us going
extinct anytime soon...unless some countries decide not to try and up the birth rate (Russia and Japan).

I dunno if I'll die tomorrow or in 70 years. But I think it's important to make every moment count for something. Even if it's not here in a thousand years, there's a certain satisfaction that comes from working on something for years and then seeing a finished product.