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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue May 19, 2015 11:06 am

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I do wish that you wouldn't add significant amounts of information in your edits, since it makes it difficult to adequately respond.

That's all part of it, but none of it is sufficient on its own, as you could probably tell from the part of my post that you cut out in order to make your observation without having to address other points.


i was hoping it'd get done before you saw the post actually.

i'm not sure what other points there are to address. you already covered where the resentment comes from and how most if not all of the good that america has done is just self-interest under the radiant scion of IR realism. and we just covered the massive luck factor.


Sorry, I was unnecessarily snide regarding the edit. Hypocritical of me, since I've run into the same issue before now.

Anyway, I don't necessarily think that the United States is necessarily any different from any world power in how we've gone about things. We've simply been more successful at it. Also, to be fair, while we've propped up some nasty people, we've also managed to help keep even worse ideologies from gaining more of a foothold. As Winston Churchill once said, "You can always trust America to do the right thing...after they've tried everything else."

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Postby Ashworth-Attwater » Tue May 19, 2015 11:41 am

Threlizdun wrote:If by "moral support", you mean assisting the coup leaders against democratic opposition following the coups, then sure.


No, by moral support, I mean legitimizing the new government. Like what happened in Honduras. And the opposition wasn't really democratic, in some cases.
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Postby Morrow den » Tue May 19, 2015 11:57 am

I also don't get why when people talk about WW2 always say america did very little. I mean come on the Americans fought their way all the way to Japan and shorten the war on the European side by opening two fronts( with allies of course ) it just always annoys me that people put deny what they did during the war.
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Postby Shiistan » Tue May 19, 2015 11:59 am

Imperial New Vegas wrote:People hate the superpower. When some other contry takes America's role, they too will be the center of hate.


Yeah that's not likely to happen. I think it's pretty safe to say that America will be dominant for the foreseeable future, if not forever.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Tue May 19, 2015 12:01 pm

I hate the US for being the most liberal (in the traditional sense of the word; I'm certainly not saying the US is progressive) state around. The idea that the individual should be allowed to trump over the collective to the point that masses of people lack access to health care, social security or even a political say (ugh, the US electoral system is more oligarchic than democratic) is absolutely horrific. The US is more like the Late Roman Republic then the beacon of democracy around the world.
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Postby Liriena » Tue May 19, 2015 12:16 pm

As others have pointed out, you can thank George W. Bush's administration, and the Iraq War in particular, for the worldwide collapse of public opinion towards the United States: invaded another nation in the name of a spurious cause, dragged several other nations into it, got thousands upon thousands of civilians and military personnel killed in an endless war that didn't yield any of the results promised, overtly and repeatedly committed severe human rights violations, and did it all with little to no accountability, or any honest dialogue with the rest of the world.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue May 19, 2015 12:18 pm

Liriena wrote:As others have pointed out, you can thank George W. Bush's administration, and the Iraq War in particular, for the worldwide collapse of public opinion towards the United States: invaded another nation in the name of a spurious cause, dragged several other nations into it, got thousands upon thousands of civilians and military personnel killed in a war that didn't yield any of the results promised, overtly and repeatedly committed severe human rights violations, and did it all with little to no accountability, or any honest dialogue with the rest of the world.


Bush II was only the latest example in the trend. It goes back before Iraq, before Reagan's foolhardy adventurism, even before Vietnam and Korea. You can thank our decision to establish our naval power in the 1800s for that, and for our slaughtering our way across the Philippines.

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Postby Glorious KASSRD » Tue May 19, 2015 5:26 pm

Actually, most of the world likes the US. It's just that the Internet is a dark, scary place with few beacons of light such ad nationstates.

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Postby Souseiseki » Tue May 19, 2015 5:38 pm

Glorious KASSRD wrote:Actually, most of the world likes the US. It's just that the Internet is a dark, scary place with few beacons of light such ad nationstates.


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depends on when and where really.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue May 19, 2015 5:40 pm

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Glorious KASSRD wrote:Actually, most of the world likes the US. It's just that the Internet is a dark, scary place with few beacons of light such ad nationstates.


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http://www.factcheck.org/2014/03/romney ... on-of-u-s/

depends on when and where really.


I think that some post-Bush numbers would be nice to see.

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Postby Souseiseki » Tue May 19, 2015 5:42 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
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http://www.factcheck.org/2014/03/romney ... on-of-u-s/

depends on when and where really.


I think that some post-Bush numbers would be nice to see.


they're in the link
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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 19, 2015 5:44 pm

Iran started hating America after the CIA overthrew Iran's democratic government.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/a ... anian-coup

The US kept making enemies in developing countries since.

Ah The Cold War, good times.

But you can maintain your willful ignorance and pretend that everyone just hates us out of jealousy.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue May 19, 2015 5:44 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
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I think that some post-Bush numbers would be nice to see.


they're in the link


I see. Increased for quite a while, then went down again, but nowhere near Bush's nadir still. Makes sense.

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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 19, 2015 5:47 pm

Probably due to the stereotypical over-patriotic freedom-loving obese 'Murican.
Well, at least partly. Our-less-than-stellar foreign policy has probably done something to make people not like us, people are more inclined to look at the bad over the good. Oh, and confirmation bias. Can't forget confirmation bias.
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Postby The BaRen » Tue May 19, 2015 5:48 pm

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Don't get me wrong, America is not an idyllic nation. BUT, I do believe that America is ONE of the greatest countries in the world even if we don't act like.


Don't you currently have government backed armed thugs roaming the streets murdering minorities and being protected by the legal system?

That's just the Missouri Neighborhood Watch Association.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Tue May 19, 2015 6:21 pm

I'd imagine the reasons for the hate/anger/distrust/whatever toward the US are as varied as the people who harbor such opinions. There's a ridiculously wide range of things for people to dislike. Our often meddlesome foreign policies over the past 70+ years, with Iraq only being one of the most recent examples. Our hypocrisy about how we're all about freedom and opportunity, when in reality we fail quite badly at both, with myriad examples ranging from the state of our education system to overpriced healthcare to violence against minorities to the inadequacies of our social safety nets. Some people may simply just be envious of the whole superpower thing, or of the perceived stereotype about American indulgence and waste.

How founded in verifiable fact any such opinion might be is of course debatable. I mean, NSG would be a lot less active if we didn't have US politics and related shenanigans to argue endlessly about. ;)
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue May 19, 2015 6:22 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:I'd imagine the reasons for the hate/anger/distrust/whatever toward the US are as varied as the people who harbor such opinions. There's a ridiculously wide range of things for people to dislike. Our often meddlesome foreign policies over the past 70+ years, with Iraq only being one of the most recent examples. Our hypocrisy about how we're all about freedom and opportunity, when in reality we fail quite badly at both, with myriad examples ranging from the state of our education system to overpriced healthcare to violence against minorities to the inadequacies of our social safety nets. Some people may simply just be envious of the whole superpower thing, or of the perceived stereotype about American indulgence and waste.

How founded in verifiable fact any such opinion might be is of course debatable. I mean, NSG would be a lot less active if we didn't have US politics and related shenanigans to argue endlessly about. ;)


And then what would you do with your time? Other than something far more constructive, interesting, fulfilling, useful, and valuable, that is.

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Postby Glorious KASSRD » Tue May 19, 2015 6:27 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:I'd imagine the reasons for the hate/anger/distrust/whatever toward the US are as varied as the people who harbor such opinions. There's a ridiculously wide range of things for people to dislike. Our often meddlesome foreign policies over the past 70+ years, with Iraq only being one of the most recent examples. Our hypocrisy about how we're all about freedom and opportunity, when in reality we fail quite badly at both, with myriad examples ranging from the state of our education system to overpriced healthcare to violence against minorities to the inadequacies of our social safety nets. Some people may simply just be envious of the whole superpower thing, or of the perceived stereotype about American indulgence and waste.

How founded in verifiable fact any such opinion might be is of course debatable. I mean, NSG would be a lot less active if we didn't have US politics and related shenanigans to argue endlessly about. ;)


And then what would you do with your time? Other than something far more constructive, interesting, fulfilling, useful, and valuable, that is.

Hey, I find Nationstates useful, interesting and valuable! It informs me of things I would never hear about otherwise, gives me a chance at debate, and exposes me to other ways of thinking. Far better then texting to annoying classmates, I think

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue May 19, 2015 6:40 pm

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And then what would you do with your time? Other than something far more constructive, interesting, fulfilling, useful, and valuable, that is.

Hey, I find Nationstates useful, interesting and valuable! It informs me of things I would never hear about otherwise, gives me a chance at debate, and exposes me to other ways of thinking. Far better then texting to annoying classmates, I think


Yes, but you don't administrate the site. That's mostly what I was referring to.

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Postby Lalaki » Tue May 19, 2015 6:42 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Glorious KASSRD wrote:Actually, most of the world likes the US. It's just that the Internet is a dark, scary place with few beacons of light such ad nationstates.


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http://www.factcheck.org/2014/03/romney ... on-of-u-s/

depends on when and where really.


Statistics from Gallup shows that compared to other world powers such as China, Russia, and the EU, the world has the highest opinions of Americans.
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue May 19, 2015 6:43 pm

Lalaki wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
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http://www.factcheck.org/2014/03/romney ... on-of-u-s/

depends on when and where really.


Statistics from Gallup shows that compared to other world powers such as China, Russia, and the EU, the world has the highest opinions of Americans.

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Postby Nierra » Tue May 19, 2015 6:43 pm

Edgy Cynical Leftism that seems to play a blind eye towards how hard it is to play geopolitics with 200 self interested nations at a time and understand all cultures, histories, backgrounds and then map on a strategic world view and game plan to deal with each one accordingly.

Also the fact that almost every nation's foreign policy is fucked up somewhere, you just have to look hard enough.

As for the non foreign policy reasons, I have no clue why anyone would hate America, one of the best nations in the world.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 19, 2015 6:44 pm

Lalaki wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
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http://www.factcheck.org/2014/03/romney ... on-of-u-s/

depends on when and where really.


Statistics from Gallup shows that compared to other world powers such as China, Russia, and the EU, the world has the highest opinions of Americans.

Also Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea seem to love us.

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Postby Seno Zhou Varada » Tue May 19, 2015 6:47 pm

Nierra wrote:Edgy Cynical Leftism that seems to play a blind eye towards how hard it is to play geopolitics with 200 self interested nations at a time and understand all cultures, histories, backgrounds and then map on a strategic world view and game plan to deal with each one accordingly.

Also the fact that almost every nation's foreign policy is fucked up somewhere, you just have to look hard enough.

As for the non foreign policy reasons, I have no clue why anyone would hate America, one of the best nations in the world.

For one we spied extensively on our own citizens.
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue May 19, 2015 6:48 pm

Nierra wrote:Edgy Cynical Leftism that seems to play a blind eye towards how hard it is to play geopolitics with 200 self interested nations at a time and understand all cultures, histories, backgrounds and then map on a strategic world view and game plan to deal with each one accordingly.

Also the fact that almost every nation's foreign policy is fucked up somewhere, you just have to look hard enough.

As for the non foreign policy reasons, I have no clue why anyone would hate America, one of the best nations in the world.

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