I like this game, but it frustrates me...

[Larrylykinsland]

I'll be honest. I expected this hate. You have all grown up in societies which say it is WRONG to be a National Socialist or even right-wing.

You then assume that every one of us supports genocide, that we all share the same ideal. National Socialism is a VAGUE ideology. It simply combines pride and socialist views. ANYTHING can be National Socialist, and have no connection to the Third Reich or the Nazi Party.

But let me tell you something. No person, government, union, alliance or pact has the authority or right to tell you or anyone else what is right and what is wrong.

There is no right and wrong. Say I kill a person? Which universal law do I break? None, because no one has the right to set that law. It's like human rights, realistically speaking, we gave them to ourselves so they aren't really valid.

You have to think on a much wider scale to determine what you approve of in detail. If you say something is wrong. Someone somewhere will think it is right. And NEITHER of you will be able to prove your views correct, because neither of them are.

I can't make this any clearer, so I'll have to rely on the more intelligent amongst you to actually think this through, and generally ignore the keyboard warriors believing exactly what they were taught in school. An outside view. You know nothing of the Party or the Reich unless you look at it from the inside.

National Socialist often abbreviated to NAZI, they controlled every aspect of the people's daily lifes. Why would anyone want that?

[Roderia]

He never did. It was the people who followed his system that ended up killing people.

I don't think it really mattered that the people who committed the atrocities were "communist", it would have happened regardless.

However, the Sickle and Hammer, and the Swastika are basically the same.
Bad people (Stalin/Hitler) did bad things (Genocide) using these symbols (Sickle and Hammer/Swastika). This is not a debate about political philosophy and ideology, it is a debate about symbols.

[Jagellion]

I think a moderator should shut this thread down before it gets even worse. Go whine somewhere else

[Blakullar]

You're mad because there is not enough anti-semantic propaganda here?

To be fair to him, I'm equally cheesed off at this site's tolerance towards semantics. Bloody words and phrases coming into OUR WEBSITE and stealing our sentences ... it's a damn disgrace toward the brave lads who wrote our dictionary!

Of course, you do surely mean Semitic...

[Solitan]

I'll be honest. I expected this hate. You have all grown up in societies which say it is WRONG to be a National Socialist or even right-wing.

You then assume that every one of us supports genocide, that we all share the same ideal. National Socialism is a VAGUE ideology. It simply combines pride and socialist views. ANYTHING can be National Socialist, and have no connection to the Third Reich or the Nazi Party.

But let me tell you something. No person, government, union, alliance or pact has the authority or right to tell you or anyone else what is right and what is wrong.

There is no right and wrong. Say I kill a person? Which universal law do I break? None, because no one has the right to set that law. It's like human rights, realistically speaking, we gave them to ourselves so they aren't really valid.

You have to think on a much wider scale to determine what you approve of in detail. If you say something is wrong. Someone somewhere will think it is right. And NEITHER of you will be able to prove your views correct, because neither of them are.

I can't make this any clearer, so I'll have to rely on the more intelligent amongst you to actually think this through, and generally ignore the keyboard warriors believing exactly what they were taught in school. An outside view. You know nothing of the Party or the Reich unless you look at it from the inside.

Lolno. Nice try.

National Socialism = Nazism. Really, it does. It's a form of Fascism. A very bad form that's even worse than the normal form.

Please tell me, who are you or anyone to tell me or anyone else what is good, bad or worse?

[The Huskar Social Union]

I don't think it really mattered that the people who committed the atrocities were "communist", it would have happened regardless.

However, the Sickle and Hammer, and the Swastika are basically the same.
Bad people (Stalin/Hitler) did bad things (Genocide) using these symbols (Sickle and Hammer/Swastika). This is not a debate about political philosophy and ideology, it is a debate about symbols.

And as has been stated dozens upon dozens of times by the moderators of this site when most people think of the hammer and sickle they do not think of genocide, when most people think of the swastika they think of genocide, that is why it is banned and the hammer and sickle is not.

They are never going to change this, and its not up to them either from what i remember.

[Larrylykinsland]

You're mad because there is not enough anti-semantic propaganda here?

To be fair to him, I'm equally cheesed off at this site's tolerance towards semantics. Bloody words and phrases coming into OUR WEBSITE and stealing our sentences ... it's a damn disgrace toward the brave lads who wrote our dictionary!

Of course, you do surely mean Semitic...

Ha. Ducking auto-corret

[Valaran]

It's not moralist, it is a philosophical view which quite frankly carries more truth in it than any ideology implanted to peoples skulls on Earth. Whatever we do on Earth, plant a tree or kill 100,000,000 people, is insignificant. The universe can't judge, it doesn't care, it won't change anything. Everyone on Earth could die and so what?

Didn't say moralist.

Its morally relativist - in that there is no absolute right and wrong, ie exactly what you just said.

[Multiversal Domanaeii]

However, the Sickle and Hammer, and the Swastika are basically the same.
Bad people (Stalin/Hitler) did bad things (Genocide) using these symbols (Sickle and Hammer/Swastika). This is not a debate about political philosophy and ideology, it is a debate about symbols.

And as has been stated dozens upon dozens of times by the moderators of this site when most people think of the hammer and sickle they do not think of genocide, when most people think of the swastika they think of genocide, that is why it is banned and the hammer and sickle is not.

A lot of people in Ukraine would disagree.

[Solitan]

I think a moderator should shut this thread down before it gets even worse. Go whine somewhere else

Tell me why your ideology should be acknowledge and mine condemned? It isn't like what you believe hasn't killed anyone...

[The Huskar Social Union]

And as has been stated dozens upon dozens of times by the moderators of this site when most people think of the hammer and sickle they do not think of genocide, when most people think of the swastika they think of genocide, that is why it is banned and the hammer and sickle is not.

A lot of people in Ukraine would disagree.

And do a lot of people in Ukraine make up most people in world? No they do not.

[Solitan]

It's not moralist, it is a philosophical view which quite frankly carries more truth in it than any ideology implanted to peoples skulls on Earth. Whatever we do on Earth, plant a tree or kill 100,000,000 people, is insignificant. The universe can't judge, it doesn't care, it won't change anything. Everyone on Earth could die and so what?

Didn't say moralist.

Its morally relativist - in that there is no absolute right and wrong, ie exactly what you just said.

My apologies, I must have mis-read what you said.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I think a moderator should shut this thread down before it gets even worse. Go whine somewhere else

Tell me why your ideology should be acknowledge and mine condemned? It isn't like what you believe hasn't killed anyone...

Because what you believe led to the whole sale industrial slaughter of millions of people.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Tell me why your ideology should be acknowledge and mine condemned? It isn't like what you believe hasn't killed anyone...

Because what you believe led to the whole sale industrial slaughter of millions of people.

And was purposefully aimed at doing so.

[Laanvia]

Lolno. Nice try.

National Socialism = Nazism. Really, it does. It's a form of Fascism. A very bad form that's even worse than the normal form.

Please tell me, who are you or anyone to tell me or anyone else what is good, bad or worse?

He doesn't have to be anyone. Drop the whole "it's my opinion and I'm entitled" and the "who are you to tell me what to do?" because we don't have to be of high rank in an organisation or group to tell you that Nazism is bad. History will tell you that. Read up about some of the things that happened in the Camps. Will you still support the Nazis?

[Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders]

Mainly the bit about no swastikas, yes, I am a National Socialist. But not like those idiots you find in America and such, I mean the National Socialism the soldiers of the Wehrmacht fought and died for. And the people the Wehrmacht fought are allowed to wave their flags and symbols which are so anti-German simply because they won.

I am expecting this thread to be locked because of the one-sidedness of the game.

My general point is that a Jew may feel offended when he/she sees a Swastika, but how do you think I feel when I see a Star of David on my screen?

"Victory requires no explanation. Defeat allows none." Understand this, then think about what your societies and governments have told you about WWII. Have they ever taught you the point of view of the Reich? No. So who are you to judge them?

Jews are offended because Hitler killed millions of them. You are offended because simply being Jewish is a bad thing. There's no point in that!

[New Skaaneland]

What does the post have to do with the headline?

[Roderia]

However, the Sickle and Hammer, and the Swastika are basically the same.
Bad people (Stalin/Hitler) did bad things (Genocide) using these symbols (Sickle and Hammer/Swastika). This is not a debate about political philosophy and ideology, it is a debate about symbols.

And as has been stated dozens upon dozens of times by the moderators of this site when most people think of the hammer and sickle they do not think of genocide, when most people think of the swastika they think of genocide, that is why it is banned and the hammer and sickle is not.

That is a really shit reason. Coming from someone who personally abhors Nazism; that is a shit reason. No, when most people see the Hammer and Sickle they think of the Soviet Union, the posterchild of Corruption and Dictatorship. Whereas when people see the Swastika, they think of Nazi Germany, the posterchild of Corruption and Dictatorship.

[New Babylonia]

Lolno. Nice try.

National Socialism = Nazism. Really, it does. It's a form of Fascism. A very bad form that's even worse than the normal form.

Please tell me, who are you or anyone to tell me or anyone else what is good, bad or worse?

A human being with a sense of humanity, empathy, and purpose as well as value to human life. You, are some Racist, probably young kid trying to be edgy, who wants to pointlessly murder people for no other reason than a religion. A religion your ideology doesn't even actually have a problem with. It's just the people who say they follow it.


Who can tell you that anything which promotes the harm, and especially slaughter of innocents is disgusting. To put it nicely. Now, if i wanted to say what i'm really thinking, it's very likely i'd get my next escalation from a 1-day ban straight to 7 days. Because that's just how bad it would be.

Like, you might literally burst into flames if i did.

[Solitan]

A lot of people in Ukraine would disagree.

And do a lot of people in Ukraine make up most people in world? No they do not.

Neither do Communists, Capitalists, Liberalists or Fascists.

No ideology or symbol has any power over another, and they should not be treated as though one is right and one is wrong. That one symbol unequivocally means one thing, when realistically it can mean many things.

[The Huskar Social Union]

And as has been stated dozens upon dozens of times by the moderators of this site when most people think of the hammer and sickle they do not think of genocide, when most people think of the swastika they think of genocide, that is why it is banned and the hammer and sickle is not.

That is a really shit reason. Coming from someone who personally abhors Nazism; that is a shit reason. No, when most people see the Hammer and Sickle they think of the Soviet Union, the posterchild of Corruption and Dictatorship. Whereas when people see the Swastika, they think of Nazi Germany, the posterchild of Corruption and Dictatorship.

Well take it up with them then, they will tell you the exact same thing.

[Kaboomlandia]

What does the post have to do with the headline?

What does the post have to do with anything?

[Martean]

Swastikas are banned in many countries, such as Germany, and this page could have many legal problems if it allowed everybody to wear swastikas in their national flags.

Now, me, as a left-wing person: Do i approve of this? No. I don't think banning swastikas it's going to prevent anyone of being nazi, but it's something the moderators can't controll.

[Valaran]

Didn't say moralist.

Its morally relativist - in that there is no absolute right and wrong, ie exactly what you just said.

My apologies, I must have mis-read what you said.

No biggie.


I'm.... not really sure what to say beyond here though. I utterly detest the NAZI party, and whatever your view, national socialism is irrevocably tied to that.

As an alternative name, why not try jingoistic socialism, or just socialism?

[Multiversal Domanaeii]

A lot of people in Ukraine would disagree.

And do a lot of people in Ukraine make up most people in world? No they do not.

And China.

And Cambodia.

And North Korea.

And Kazakhstan.

Most of Eastern Europe.

Need I continue?