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LGBT Rights & Issues Thread, V3

Postby Farnhamia » Thu May 07, 2015 10:38 am

This is the mod-sanctioned LGBT (etc.) thread designed for discussion of:

A) The struggle of non-heterosexual people to achieve equality in society; or the struggle to establish or re-establish heterosexuality as the legally-sanctioned norm for society

B) specific instances of these struggles (court cases and decisions);

C) progress and set-backs in these processes (US states legitimizing same-sex marriage or banning it).

The Moderation team have been concerned at the extent to which recent threads on this subject have tended to turn into one great big troll/flamebait fest faster than you say “Jack Robinson.” It's our hope that by starting a mod-sanctioned thread we can slow this tendency down (even if we can't entirely stop it), and encourage a more civil debate between different perspectives.

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Postby Liberonscien » Thu May 07, 2015 10:58 am

This is the third version?
Huh, didn't know the last one was the second.
First post.

What is it if one is primarily sexually attracted to the opposite sex but is sexually attracted to members of the same sex and is willing to pursue romantic relationships with either sex?

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We encourage you to be polite to each other. We appreciate that this is a topic over which people have strong feelings - but this is no excuse to be rude. And yes, this is mod-sanctioned despite the lack of a Mod owning the OP.


You are a mod Farn...
So...
What's up with that?
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 07, 2015 10:59 am

Liberonscien wrote:What is it if one is primarily sexually attracted to the opposite sex but is sexually attracted to members of the same sex and is willing to pursue romantic relationships with either sex?

Sounds firmly bisexual and biromantic. Just bi.
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Postby Liberonscien » Thu May 07, 2015 11:00 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Liberonscien wrote:What is it if one is primarily sexually attracted to the opposite sex but is sexually attracted to members of the same sex and is willing to pursue romantic relationships with either sex?

Sounds firmly bisexual and biromantic. Just bi.

I should clarify: sexually attracted to some members of the same sex.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 07, 2015 11:04 am

Liberonscien wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Sounds firmly bisexual and biromantic. Just bi.

I should clarify: sexually attracted to some members of the same sex.

...I'm straight but I'm not attracted to every female in existence. I think that still counts as bisexual...
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Postby Liberonscien » Thu May 07, 2015 11:07 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Liberonscien wrote:I should clarify: sexually attracted to some members of the same sex.

...I'm straight but I'm not attracted to every female in existence. I think that still counts as bisexual...

Clarify more: sexually attracted rarely to some members of the same sex.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 07, 2015 11:09 am

Liberonscien wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:...I'm straight but I'm not attracted to every female in existence. I think that still counts as bisexual...

Clarify more: sexually attracted rarely to some members of the same sex.

...I'm pretty sure that still means you're bisexual. If you can be attracted sexually to either sex.
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Postby Planita » Thu May 07, 2015 11:09 am

First page!

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Postby Liberonscien » Thu May 07, 2015 11:17 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Liberonscien wrote:Clarify more: sexually attracted rarely to some members of the same sex.

...I'm pretty sure that still means you're bisexual. If you can be attracted sexually to either sex.

Alright. I'd like a second and third opinion though.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu May 07, 2015 11:19 am

Liberonscien wrote:This is the third version?
Huh, didn't know the last one was the second.
First post.

What is it if one is primarily sexually attracted to the opposite sex but is sexually attracted to members of the same sex and is willing to pursue romantic relationships with either sex?

Also,
We encourage you to be polite to each other. We appreciate that this is a topic over which people have strong feelings - but this is no excuse to be rude. And yes, this is mod-sanctioned despite the lack of a Mod owning the OP.


You are a mod Farn...
So...
What's up with that?

Been a Mod for almost two years now. I wasn't aware there had been two others, but there was a link in the OP of the last one to a previous incarnation.
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Postby Jute » Thu May 07, 2015 11:19 am

Liberonscien wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:...I'm pretty sure that still means you're bisexual. If you can be attracted sexually to either sex.

Alright. I'd like a second and third opinion though.

You just have a leaning towards females, in that case. What else would it be called?
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 07, 2015 11:19 am

Liberonscien wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:...I'm pretty sure that still means you're bisexual. If you can be attracted sexually to either sex.

Alright. I'd like a second and third opinion though.

Well I've talked to plenty of people that were pretty... um, militant? About the whole gender, sexuality, romantic preference, spectrum. And it can become specific for what your romantic vs sexual preferences are... but I don't think there's a specific term for being "rarely attracted to some members of the opposite sex."

Could be wrong though, I guess.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Thu May 07, 2015 11:24 am

Anyone heard about the crazy elder woman in Nebraska who's trying to sue all gay people?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qywDpPP1ZUQ
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Postby Liberonscien » Thu May 07, 2015 1:30 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Liberonscien wrote:This is the third version?
Huh, didn't know the last one was the second.
First post.

What is it if one is primarily sexually attracted to the opposite sex but is sexually attracted to members of the same sex and is willing to pursue romantic relationships with either sex?

Also,


You are a mod Farn...
So...
What's up with that?

Been a Mod for almost two years now. I wasn't aware there had been two others, but there was a link in the OP of the last one to a previous incarnation.

No, why does it say the lack of a mod owning the OP? You are a mod that owns the OP.
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Postby Jute » Thu May 07, 2015 1:31 pm

Liberonscien wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Been a Mod for almost two years now. I wasn't aware there had been two others, but there was a link in the OP of the last one to a previous incarnation.

No, why does it say the lack of a mod owning the OP? You are a mod that owns the OP.

That was different in the first version and apparently no one bothered to change it? :P
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When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
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that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...
The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
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Postby Destiny Island » Thu May 07, 2015 1:35 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Liberonscien wrote:This is the third version?
Huh, didn't know the last one was the second.
First post.

What is it if one is primarily sexually attracted to the opposite sex but is sexually attracted to members of the same sex and is willing to pursue romantic relationships with either sex?

Also,


You are a mod Farn...
So...
What's up with that?

Been a Mod for almost two years now. I wasn't aware there had been two others, but there was a link in the OP of the last one to a previous incarnation.

Oh Farn, you're slipping.
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Postby Liberonscien » Thu May 07, 2015 1:38 pm

Jute wrote:
Liberonscien wrote:No, why does it say the lack of a mod owning the OP? You are a mod that owns the OP.

That was different in the first version and apparently no one bothered to change it? :P

That's what I'm saying.
Someone hasn't read their entire post and understood what it is saying.
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Postby Elyzaaru » Thu May 07, 2015 1:38 pm

using the term 'preferred pronouns' isn't politically correct. They aren't preferred ones, the pronouns people use are just their pronouns, perhaps this could be changed in the information bit? Thank you! :)

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 07, 2015 1:43 pm

Elyzaaru wrote:using the term 'preferred pronouns' isn't politically correct. They aren't preferred ones, the pronouns people use are just their pronouns, perhaps this could be changed in the information bit? Thank you! :)

...that doesn't make sense

Also, Farn is a lesbian, you know this?
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Postby Jute » Thu May 07, 2015 1:50 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Elyzaaru wrote:using the term 'preferred pronouns' isn't politically correct. They aren't preferred ones, the pronouns people use are just their pronouns, perhaps this could be changed in the information bit? Thank you! :)

...that doesn't make sense

Also, Farn is a lesbian, you know this?

Ha, the radical part of the LGBT community on Tumblr is leaking :P
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...
The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
"Boys and girls so happy, young and gay / Don't let false worldly joy carry your hearts away."

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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Thu May 07, 2015 2:01 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:...that doesn't make sense

Also, Farn is a lesbian, you know this?


I think it's about connotation. Saying 'preferred' implies that one has chosen their preference from a list of options, like ordering ice cream.

It kinda trivializes it, especially as almost no one says that a person who is not trans would merely 'prefer' their pronouns.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 07, 2015 2:07 pm

Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:...that doesn't make sense

Also, Farn is a lesbian, you know this?


I think it's about connotation. Saying 'preferred' implies that one has chosen their preference from a list of options, like ordering ice cream.

It kinda trivializes it, especially as almost no one says that a person who is not trans would merely 'prefer' their pronouns.

I see what you mean, but I still think it's accurate. Like, gender fluid people sometimes/frequently will prefer to be called he on some days and she on others, and just as they sometimes as well. It is essentially a choice.
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Postby Cyrisnia » Thu May 07, 2015 2:08 pm

FIRST PAGE LOL

I have a question, BTW, say someone is was DFAB, but identifies as agender, but only likes women.

Are they a lesbian?
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Postby Jute » Thu May 07, 2015 2:10 pm

Cyrisnia wrote:FIRST PAGE LOL

I have a question, BTW, say someone is was DFAB, but identifies as agender, but only likes women.

Are they a lesbian?

I don't think so, just as with transpeople the gender is important, not what they were assigned at birth.
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...
The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
"Boys and girls so happy, young and gay / Don't let false worldly joy carry your hearts away."

See the Jutean language! Talk to me about all. Avian air force flag (via) Is Religion Dangerous?

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Liberonscien wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:...I'm pretty sure that still means you're bisexual. If you can be attracted sexually to either sex.

Alright. I'd like a second and third opinion though.

You're still bi, mate.
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