2015 UK Politics Megathread

[Steamtopia]

Vote in new parties that want to deal with those issues, it's not that difficult. If people choose to keep voting in the same parties, they should expect the same results.

Around 14 % of people will be voting for one, but with FPTP, UKIP won't get the number of seats that the votes should get them.

And voting reform won't ever happen in the commons, because both major parties have a vested interest in keeping fptp.

We had a chance to scrap FPTP. We voted against it. Whoopsie.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

What about issues the commons refuse to deal with? Like Europe, euthanasia, marijuana...

I think a referendum in the next year or so would too much, at least for Scotland anyways, we've had more than enough politics for a while....

I think it would have to require a large amount of the electorate to choose when a referendum happens.

[Steamtopia]

I think a referendum in the next year or so would too much, at least for Scotland anyways, we've had more than enough politics for a while....

I think it would have to require a large amount of the electorate to choose when a referendum happens.

So you'd do.. what, exactly? Have a referendum for a referendum?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Around 14 % of people will be voting for one, but with FPTP, UKIP won't get the number of seats that the votes should get them.

And voting reform won't ever happen in the commons, because both major parties have a vested interest in keeping fptp.

We had a chance to scrap FPTP. We voted against it. Whoopsie.

The political beliefs were different then. If their's a large demand for another referendum, we should have another referendum.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I think it would have to require a large amount of the electorate to choose when a referendum happens.

So you'd do.. what, exactly? Have a referendum for a referendum?

No, make the petitions system meaningful.

[Steamtopia]

We had a chance to scrap FPTP. We voted against it. Whoopsie.

The political beliefs were different then. If their's a large demand for another referendum, we should have another referendum.

It's been four years, not a century. We screwed up, we face the consequences. You want to get rid of FPTP? Vote for the parties that want electoral reform, get a referendum, vote against FPTP this time. If we screw it up, we have nobody to blame but ourselves and there's no reason why we should dismantle representative democracy because representation is broken (but still fixable).

[Steamtopia]

So you'd do.. what, exactly? Have a referendum for a referendum?

No, make the petitions system meaningful.

And pray tell, how many signatures would you need to launch a referendum? And how would you verify the signatures? And why is it moral to engage in mob rule?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

The political beliefs were different then. If their's a large demand for another referendum, we should have another referendum.

It's been four years, not a century. We screwed up, we face the consequences. You want to get rid of FPTP? Vote for the parties that want electoral reform, get a referendum, vote against FPTP this time. If we screw it up, we have nobody to blame but ourselves and there's no reason why we should dismantle representative democracy because representation is broken (but still fixable).

Because representatives do not act in the best interests of the people. Only the electorate as a whole can make the decisions politicians refuse to make.

[Steamtopia]

It's been four years, not a century. We screwed up, we face the consequences. You want to get rid of FPTP? Vote for the parties that want electoral reform, get a referendum, vote against FPTP this time. If we screw it up, we have nobody to blame but ourselves and there's no reason why we should dismantle representative democracy because representation is broken (but still fixable).

Because representatives do not act in the best interests of the people. Only the electorate as a whole can make the decisions politicians refuse to make.

What is, America? Representatives are held accountable to the public every four years. If we vote in representatives we hate, we're idiots and deserve to be saddled with them.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

No, make the petitions system meaningful.

And pray tell, how many signatures would you need to launch a referendum? And how would you verify the signatures? And why is it moral to engage in mob rule?

Verify the signatures against the electoral role, by using peoples national insurance numbers to identify them. This could all be done on the epetitions website.

I think 2 million is a good number.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Because representatives do not act in the best interests of the people. Only the electorate as a whole can make the decisions politicians refuse to make.

What is, America? Representatives are held accountable to the public every four years. If we vote in representatives we hate, we're idiots and deserve to be saddled with them.

5 years, actually. So if a representative lies through their teeth, are we deserving of getting a shitty person because we happened to believe them? No, referenda and recall need to be introduced to make the system more democratic.

[Steamtopia]

And pray tell, how many signatures would you need to launch a referendum? And how would you verify the signatures? And why is it moral to engage in mob rule?

Verify the signatures against the electoral role, by using peoples national insurance numbers to identify them. This could all be done on the epetitions website.

I think 2 million is a good number.

So people can just take national insurance numbers and sign people onto a petition without them even knowing.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Verify the signatures against the electoral role, by using peoples national insurance numbers to identify them. This could all be done on the epetitions website.

I think 2 million is a good number.

So people can just take national insurance numbers and sign people onto a petition without them even knowing.

And then we get a referendum. The more referenda the better, in my view.

[Steamtopia]

What is, America? Representatives are held accountable to the public every four years. If we vote in representatives we hate, we're idiots and deserve to be saddled with them.

5 years, actually. So if a representative lies through their teeth, are we deserving of getting a shitty person because we happened to believe them? No, referenda and recall need to be introduced to make the system more democratic.

By-elections are already a thing in extreme circumstances. Otherwise, we've made our bed and we should lie in it.

[Teemant]

What is, America? Representatives are held accountable to the public every four years. If we vote in representatives we hate, we're idiots and deserve to be saddled with them.

5 years, actually. So if a representative lies through their teeth, are we deserving of getting a shitty person because we happened to believe them? No, referenda and recall need to be introduced to make the system more democratic.

I don't think recall is a good idea because then it is possible for people who didn't even vote for someone to recall him.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

5 years, actually. So if a representative lies through their teeth, are we deserving of getting a shitty person because we happened to believe them? No, referenda and recall need to be introduced to make the system more democratic.

By-elections are already a thing in extreme circumstances. Otherwise, we've made our bed and we should lie in it.

Extreme circumstances. They should be regular occurences.

[Steamtopia]

So people can just take national insurance numbers and sign people onto a petition without them even knowing.

And then we get a referendum. The more referenda the better, in my view.

So you support direct democracy in the face of an increasingly complicated world because.. what? It feels nice? Mob rule is too cool for school?

[Steamtopia]

By-elections are already a thing in extreme circumstances. Otherwise, we've made our bed and we should lie in it.

Extreme circumstances. They should be regular occurences.

No, they shouldn't. You vote. You screw up? You vote in a few years time for someone else. It's not the end of the world if you end up with a crap MP for a few years.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

5 years, actually. So if a representative lies through their teeth, are we deserving of getting a shitty person because we happened to believe them? No, referenda and recall need to be introduced to make the system more democratic.

I don't think recall is a good idea because then it is possible for people who didn't even vote for someone to recall him.

If a person has to face the electorate regularly, that's all good by me.

[Illyiah]

The problem is referendums are really expensive.

[Purger]

Will there be an EU referendum if the Torries win?

[Steamtopia]

The problem is referendums are really expensive.

And people are motivated by fear-mongering, influenced by the media, and don't have anywhere near the amount of time MP's do to research.

[Steamtopia]

Will there be an EU referendum if the Torries win?

The Tories won't win, so it's not even a question worth asking.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

And then we get a referendum. The more referenda the better, in my view.

So you support direct democracy in the face of an increasingly complicated world because.. what? It feels nice? Mob rule is too cool for school?

Direct democracy is beneficial as it ensures the politicians are accountable to the people they're claiming to represent, and the people have no whip system so they're obligated to vote a certain way.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

The problem is referendums are really expensive.

well worth the cost.