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2015 UK Politics Megathread

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Who would you _currently_ vote for?

Conservatives
73
21%
Labour
71
21%
Liberal Democrats
47
14%
UKIP
57
17%
Greens [England & Wales, Scotland, or NI]
39
11%
SNP
19
6%
Plaid Cymru
3
1%
Northern Ireland SF/SDLP
11
3%
Northern Ireland DUP/UUP
2
1%
Other (please explain)
18
5%
 
Total votes : 340

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Hydesland
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Postby Hydesland » Tue May 05, 2015 12:57 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Arch, would you be able to politely ask people on the OP to only vote on the poll if they're actually British? That way we can form a good view of what NS' British population would do.


Not practical, largely because it's unenforceable.


You really should have added a "I'm not from the UK" option, at least so people not from the UK can automatically see the results without voting, and presumably at least some non UK voters will choose that option because some people are honest.

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Postby Kelinfort » Tue May 05, 2015 12:58 pm

Die Volkstaat wrote:Let's Get Pumped!.

Anyways, I found this neat little BBC game some of you may like. Basically, it gives you a random election result, and you have to form a coalition. Kinda neat.

Poor Conservatives are in a bad place if they only win 275 seats.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue May 05, 2015 12:59 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Die Volkstaat wrote:Let's Get Pumped!.

Anyways, I found this neat little BBC game some of you may like. Basically, it gives you a random election result, and you have to form a coalition. Kinda neat.

Poor Conservatives are in a bad place if they only win 275 seats.

I got the worst possible government.

Labour/SNP/LD
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue May 05, 2015 1:00 pm

Die Volkstaat wrote:Let's Get Pumped!.

Anyways, I found this neat little BBC game some of you may like. Basically, it gives you a random election result, and you have to form a coalition. Kinda neat.

Labour/SNP seems to work most of the time, though this game doesn't really address the odds of that happening….

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Postby Monkeykind » Tue May 05, 2015 1:00 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Poor Conservatives are in a bad place if they only win 275 seats.

I got the worst possible government.

Labour/SNP/LD

Labour/SNP/LD/DUP. Beat that.

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Postby Stormaen » Tue May 05, 2015 1:00 pm

I live in one of the top 20 safe seats for Labour, so my vote is pretty much wasted. :p

I've decided to vote Conservative in the general and local election. I hummed and harred between the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats and UKIP but I think UKIP could be quite dangerous for the UK; not for their anti-EU stance but rather their international stance (it's basically directly comparable with the French National Front and look at the international criticism that comes in for).

I've decided to vote Conservative on a mix of national and local issues: I've seen more local development in the last 5 years of Conservative-Liberal Democrat government than 13 years of Labour. I don't think Labour cares about my area: I think we're basically used for the strong Labour support but we're not rewarded for it; after all, there's marginal seats to win over! The LibDems aren't really viable here either for parliament or the local council so rules them out.

Nationally, I trust the Conservatives more with the economy than Labour. Labour act like it's the 1980s again and that they've been out of power for a generation, rather than 5 years.

Also, my local MP still hasn't apologised for or explained her expenses from the scandal 5 years ago...
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Alyakia
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Postby Alyakia » Tue May 05, 2015 1:01 pm

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Conservatives for Life!

I am not sure why I vote for Conservatives. I just live in a place where everyone votes for conservatives. Vote for Conservatives! I don't want to pay Mansion Tax!


are you 100% sure you will actually pay it
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Postby Arglorand » Tue May 05, 2015 1:05 pm

Monkeykind wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I got the worst possible government.

Labour/SNP/LD

Labour/SNP/LD/DUP. Beat that.

a coalition i just made had literally all the parties

except Labour.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Tue May 05, 2015 1:06 pm

Hydesland wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
Not practical, largely because it's unenforceable.


You really should have added a "I'm not from the UK" option, at least so people not from the UK can automatically see the results without voting, and presumably at least some non UK voters will choose that option because some people are honest.


Only 10 poll options....

Offering separate UK / non-UK options would have required some 19 options even with my slightly awkward combining of NI parties and all three independent Green parties.

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Kelinfort
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue May 05, 2015 1:07 pm

Holy shit, the election is in two days.

Mon dieu, I thought it was on the 17th.

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Monkeykind
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Postby Monkeykind » Tue May 05, 2015 1:07 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Monkeykind wrote:Labour/SNP/LD/DUP. Beat that.

a coalition i just made had literally all the parties

except Labour.

1 day later:
Labour has been banned by parliament.

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Greater vakolicci haven
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue May 05, 2015 1:08 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Hydesland wrote:
You really should have added a "I'm not from the UK" option, at least so people not from the UK can automatically see the results without voting, and presumably at least some non UK voters will choose that option because some people are honest.


Only 10 poll options....

Offering separate UK / non-UK options would have required some 19 options even with my slightly awkward combining of NI parties and all three independent Green parties.

A blanket 'not from the UK' option.
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“Silent acquiescence in the face of tyranny is no better than outright agreement." - C.J. Redwine
“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles." - Jeff Cooper

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue May 05, 2015 1:09 pm

Monkeykind wrote:
Arglorand wrote:a coalition i just made had literally all the parties

except Labour.

1 day later:
Labour has been banned by parliament.

2 days later: mass celebrations in the streets.
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“I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” - Thomas Jefferson
“Silent acquiescence in the face of tyranny is no better than outright agreement." - C.J. Redwine
“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles." - Jeff Cooper

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Hydesland
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Postby Hydesland » Tue May 05, 2015 1:09 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Hydesland wrote:
You really should have added a "I'm not from the UK" option, at least so people not from the UK can automatically see the results without voting, and presumably at least some non UK voters will choose that option because some people are honest.


Only 10 poll options....

Offering separate UK / non-UK options would have required some 19 options even with my slightly awkward combining of NI parties and all three independent Green parties.


Replace 'Other' with 'Other / Not from UK'.

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Greater vakolicci haven
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue May 05, 2015 1:10 pm

Alyakia wrote:
HYDRA-Russian Empire wrote:
Conservatives for Life!

I am not sure why I vote for Conservatives. I just live in a place where everyone votes for conservatives. Vote for Conservatives! I don't want to pay Mansion Tax!


are you 100% sure you will actually pay it

Noone should pay it: that's the point.
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“I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” - Thomas Jefferson
“Silent acquiescence in the face of tyranny is no better than outright agreement." - C.J. Redwine
“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles." - Jeff Cooper

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The Archregimancy
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Postby The Archregimancy » Tue May 05, 2015 1:10 pm

Hydesland wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
Only 10 poll options....

Offering separate UK / non-UK options would have required some 19 options even with my slightly awkward combining of NI parties and all three independent Green parties.


Replace 'Other' with 'Other / Not from UK'.


Greater vakolicci haven wrote:A blanket 'not from the UK' option.


Which, based on site demographics, would likely have included the overwhelming majority of respondents.

Again, not really practical, alas.

And still unenforceable.
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MERIZoC
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue May 05, 2015 1:11 pm

Hydesland wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
Only 10 poll options....

Offering separate UK / non-UK options would have required some 19 options even with my slightly awkward combining of NI parties and all three independent Green parties.


Replace 'Other' with 'Other / Not from UK'.

….and people would still vote for the party they favor.

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Monkeykind
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Postby Monkeykind » Tue May 05, 2015 1:11 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Monkeykind wrote:1 day later:
Labour has been banned by parliament.

2 days later: mass celebrations in the streets.

3 days later:
UKIP becomes second largest party after a series of by-elections.
"Good day for Britain" says everyone.

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Hydesland
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Postby Hydesland » Tue May 05, 2015 1:13 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:Which, based on site demographics, would likely have included the overwhelming majority of respondents.

Again, not really practical, alas.

And still unenforceable.


I don't see that as a problem.

Merizoc wrote:….and people would still vote for the party they favor.


Again, I'm assuming at least x% of people are honest when voting, so the poll would have x% less non UK residents biasing it.

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Alyakia
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Postby Alyakia » Tue May 05, 2015 1:13 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
are you 100% sure you will actually pay it

Noone should pay it: that's the point.


if someone is going to vote based on their self-interest like that i'd prefer it was at least actually in their self-interest to at least try and counteract all the damage the government will do to everyone else. really i hate to get all class was but the most vulnerable in society dying is probably a bigger issue than taxes on really expensive homes.
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Kelinfort
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue May 05, 2015 1:13 pm

Monkeykind wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:2 days later: mass celebrations in the streets.

3 days later:
UKIP becomes second largest party after a series of by-elections.
"Good day for Britain" says everyone.

If you want to become more like America, I suppose.

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Alyakia
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Postby Alyakia » Tue May 05, 2015 1:14 pm

Hydesland wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:Which, based on site demographics, would likely have included the overwhelming majority of respondents.

Again, not really practical, alas.

And still unenforceable.


I don't see that as a problem.

Merizoc wrote:….and people would still vote for the party they favor.


Again, I'm assuming at least x% of people are honest when voting, so the poll would have x% less non UK residents biasing it.


if the shy tory factor tells us anything it's that not even people actually in the UK can be honest about voting so we're probably even more fucked when it comes to the internet
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Monkeykind
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Postby Monkeykind » Tue May 05, 2015 1:15 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Monkeykind wrote:3 days later:
UKIP becomes second largest party after a series of by-elections.
"Good day for Britain" says everyone.

If you want to become more like America, I suppose.

I think the UK should be a federal system, yes.

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The Archregimancy
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Postby The Archregimancy » Tue May 05, 2015 1:16 pm

Arglorand wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:Also, I am not Nick Clegg.

Or am I?

Would actually explain a few things.


Come to think of it, Nick Clegg is the only party leader with an archaeology degree...

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Monkeykind
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Postby Monkeykind » Tue May 05, 2015 1:18 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Would actually explain a few things.


Come to think of it, Nick Clegg is the only party leader with an archaeology degree...

The plot thickens.

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