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Is "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" complete bull?

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Can the Chinese Communist Party be trusted?

I'm a Marxist-derivative socialist, and I think their doctrine is total malarkey.
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10%
I'm a Marxist-derivative socialist, and I trust their doctrine.
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3%
I'm a Marxist-derivative socialist, and I am somewhere in-between [position like the OP].
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5%
I'm a non-Marxist socialist/socialist derivative, and I don't trust them.
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35%
I'm a non-Marxist socialist/socialist derivative, and I trust them.
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1%
I'm a non-Marxist socialist/socialist derivative, and I am somewhere in-between.
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7%
I'm a capitalist, and I think they are lying about their doctrine.
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26%
I'm a capitalist, and I think they are telling the truth about their doctrine.
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3%
I'm a capitalist, and I'm not sure whether they are lying or telling the truth about their doctrine.
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7%
Other (please specify).
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4%
 
Total votes : 103

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Sebtopiaris
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Sat May 02, 2015 2:16 am

Good Ole Ruffino wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94IdL3djJVU

What the hell?
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Sat May 02, 2015 2:19 am

Good Ole Ruffino wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:What the hell?

I KNOW YOU WANNA DO IT

no danke
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Sat May 02, 2015 2:28 am

Good Ole Ruffino wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:no danke

c'mon wayne

You made me pause a Sabaton album for this. No.
And please, do get back on topic.
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Postby HMS Vanguard » Sat May 02, 2015 2:32 am

China is a theocracy ruled by atheists. That has probably always been true. The rulers are not, absent another revolution, going to abandon the premier place in the world they have won by adopting free markets, but I also very much doubt that China has abandoned the instinctive collectivism of three thousand years in a single generation. I can well see a consolidation of China in the 2030-2050s as a stagnant middle income economy, somewhat akin to a very populous Belarus.
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Postby New Skaaneland » Sat May 02, 2015 2:54 am

Is "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" complete bull? Yes.
Am I sure wether they are telling the truth about their ideology? No.

It's almost for certein that they are lying about one thing or another, but I'm also quite sure that they don't live up to my ideals of capitalism.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sat May 02, 2015 8:48 am

Socialist Tera wrote:I think China is not socialist anymore, Deng ruined China. Mao's vision of China has been ruined by revisionist scum.

Mao's vision of China never existed. China was not prepared for socialism.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat May 02, 2015 8:51 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:I think China is not socialist anymore, Deng ruined China. Mao's vision of China has been ruined by revisionist scum.

Mao's vision of China never existed. China was not prepared for socialism.


China will never reach Socialism either.

At least as long as the CCP is in power.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby The Northern Chinese Provinces » Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:44 pm

Socialist Tera wrote:I think China is not socialist anymore, Deng ruined China. Mao's vision of China has been ruined by revisionist scum.

Mao's vision was "Fuck You All I Want Power" from about 1955 to his death. While I do agree with some of his very, very early ideas, he became completely corrupted by his own importance. Deng only served to stabilize the country after Mao killed a large amount of the populous, screwed up the economy, and generally terrorized everyone else.
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Postby The Northern Chinese Provinces » Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:49 pm

In response to the original question, "Is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics complete bull?", I would say yes. It is simply a name that the CCP came up with to cover their transition to full on Capitalism. Mind you, they were never actually communist in the first place; they were more of an agrarian populist movement that slowly turned more towards a Stalinist dictatorship. I don't trust their party doctrine because, well, if they no longer know what socialism is, how can we trust any definition they set forth for anything?
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