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by Ashworth-Attwater » Sat May 30, 2015 12:59 pm
by Atlanticatia » Sat May 30, 2015 1:04 pm
by Llamalandia » Sat May 30, 2015 1:09 pm
Atlanticatia wrote:Any thoughts on Martin O'Malley's announcement? I think he is trying to position himself as the electable left-of-Hillary candidate.
by Geilinor » Sat May 30, 2015 1:16 pm
Atlanticatia wrote:Any thoughts on Martin O'Malley's announcement? I think he is trying to position himself as the electable left-of-Hillary candidate.
by Ashworth-Attwater » Sat May 30, 2015 1:16 pm
Atlanticatia wrote:Any thoughts on Martin O'Malley's announcement? I think he is trying to position himself as the electable left-of-Hillary candidate.
by Libreng » Sat May 30, 2015 1:37 pm
Atlanticatia wrote:Any thoughts on Martin O'Malley's announcement? I think he is trying to position himself as the electable left-of-Hillary candidate.
by Glorious KASSRD » Sat May 30, 2015 1:51 pm
by Romalae » Sat May 30, 2015 1:51 pm
Glorious KASSRD wrote:Libreng wrote:
O'Malley is an interesting guy. I'm not sure he will be able to amass support against Clinton though.
Why is everyone saying Clinton is going to win for sure? I've yet to see a single person on this site, real life, YouTube, or anywhere else support her, so how is she doing well?
by Libreng » Sat May 30, 2015 1:54 pm
Glorious KASSRD wrote:Libreng wrote:
O'Malley is an interesting guy. I'm not sure he will be able to amass support against Clinton though.
Why is everyone saying Clinton is going to win for sure? I've yet to see a single person on this site, real life, YouTube, or anywhere else support her, so how is she doing well?
by Prussia-Steinbach » Sat May 30, 2015 1:54 pm
by Prussia-Steinbach » Sat May 30, 2015 1:55 pm
Glorious KASSRD wrote:Libreng wrote:
O'Malley is an interesting guy. I'm not sure he will be able to amass support against Clinton though.
Why is everyone saying Clinton is going to win for sure? I've yet to see a single person on this site, real life, YouTube, or anywhere else support her, so how is she doing well?
by Libreng » Sat May 30, 2015 1:56 pm
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Oil exporting People wrote:
If she runs and somehow gets the nomination, she'll get destroyed by us Republicans. I've yet to see a poll of her stacked up against a GOP candidate that she wins.
Funny, since even Bernie Sanders has more support than every Republican candidate.
by Llamalandia » Sat May 30, 2015 1:57 pm
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Oil exporting People wrote:
If she runs and somehow gets the nomination, she'll get destroyed by us Republicans. I've yet to see a poll of her stacked up against a GOP candidate that she wins.
Funny, since even Bernie Sanders has more support than every Republican candidate.
by Prussia-Steinbach » Sat May 30, 2015 2:01 pm
Libreng wrote:Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Funny, since even Bernie Sanders has more support than every Republican candidate.
I'm not doubting your claim or anything, but find a better source.
by Glorious KASSRD » Sat May 30, 2015 2:01 pm
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Glorious KASSRD wrote:Why is everyone saying Clinton is going to win for sure? I've yet to see a single person on this site, real life, YouTube, or anywhere else support her, so how is she doing well?
I find that hard to believe, since I've been seeing Clinton supporters everywhere, IRL and on here. Every poll puts her at the front, and when you compare her to dark horse Bernie and the nutjob Republicans it isn't even a question anymore. Clinton's going to be the next president.
by Prussia-Steinbach » Sat May 30, 2015 2:02 pm
Llamalandia wrote:Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Funny, since even Bernie Sanders has more support than every Republican candidate.
Yeah, because there are far fewer dem canidates running. If there were more people in the dem field then yeah, I'd agree a 15% showing would be impressive. But there's like 8 Republicans officially I believe and even more who are all but saying they want to run. It is an apples and oranges comparison here. These are primary pol results not general election polls.
by Prussia-Steinbach » Sat May 30, 2015 2:04 pm
Glorious KASSRD wrote:Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I find that hard to believe, since I've been seeing Clinton supporters everywhere, IRL and on here. Every poll puts her at the front, and when you compare her to dark horse Bernie and the nutjob Republicans it isn't even a question anymore. Clinton's going to be the next president.
Where, if I may ask? I've seen people say she's going to win, or that she's better than the Republicans, but no one who's really supported her.
by Llamalandia » Sat May 30, 2015 2:18 pm
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Llamalandia wrote:
Yeah, because there are far fewer dem canidates running. If there were more people in the dem field then yeah, I'd agree a 15% showing would be impressive. But there's like 8 Republicans officially I believe and even more who are all but saying they want to run. It is an apples and oranges comparison here. These are primary pol results not general election polls.
Yet somehow I still doubt something like a Cruz-Warren race would result in a Republican landslide victory.
by Romalae » Sat May 30, 2015 2:19 pm
by Prussia-Steinbach » Sat May 30, 2015 2:19 pm
Llamalandia wrote:Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Yet somehow I still doubt something like a Cruz-Warren race would result in a Republican landslide victory.
Probably not, though, I imagine, Cruz would still come away with the W, not that I'm a particular Cruz fan mind you. But hell I'll bet even Santorum or or *shudder* fiorina could beat out sanders without even trying.
by Llamalandia » Sat May 30, 2015 2:22 pm
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Llamalandia wrote:Probably not, though, I imagine, Cruz would still come away with the W, not that I'm a particular Cruz fan mind you. But hell I'll bet even Santorum or or *shudder* fiorina could beat out sanders without even trying.
No way, those fuckers would burn themselves to the ground to the point where not a single moderate or sane person would vote for them. Bernie'd win by default.
by Prussia-Steinbach » Sat May 30, 2015 2:25 pm
Llamalandia wrote:Prussia-Steinbach wrote:No way, those fuckers would burn themselves to the ground to the point where not a single moderate or sane person would vote for them. Bernie'd win by default.
Sorry but that sounds somewhat delusional. I mean, America may not like social conservativism but it absolutely reviles socialism at least nominally. Sanders would get owned no matter who he faced. Warren would have a decent shot against either of them, but I don't think eve nshe could win.
by Llamalandia » Sat May 30, 2015 2:29 pm
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Llamalandia wrote:Sorry but that sounds somewhat delusional. I mean, America may not like social conservativism but it absolutely reviles socialism at least nominally. Sanders would get owned no matter who he faced. Warren would have a decent shot against either of them, but I don't think eve nshe could win.
Bull shit, my friend.
36% of Americans view the word "socialism" positively. When you add in the fact that Bernie isn't actually a socialist, he's a social democrat with views that a lot of Americans, and probably a majority of self-described liberals, plus all progressives, could get behind, it's not hard to believe that he'd win against a woman who ran her company into the fucking ground and flat-out sounds stupid whenever she talks, and a papist who wears sweater vests and whose name means anal sex froth.
n Vermont, Bernie Sanders to become the country’s first self-described socialist to be elected to the U.S. Senate. Running as an independent, Sanders won 65% of the vote, easily beating his Republican opponent Rich Tarrant. We speak with Sanders about what it means to the country’s first socialist senator.
by Sciongrad » Sat May 30, 2015 2:31 pm
Llamalandia wrote:Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Bull shit, my friend.
36% of Americans view the word "socialism" positively. When you add in the fact that Bernie isn't actually a socialist, he's a social democrat with views that a lot of Americans, and probably a majority of self-described liberals, plus all progressives, could get behind, it's not hard to believe that he'd win against a woman who ran her company into the fucking ground and flat-out sounds stupid whenever she talks, and a papist who wears sweater vests and whose name means anal sex froth.n Vermont, Bernie Sanders to become the country’s first self-described socialist to be elected to the U.S. Senate. Running as an independent, Sanders won 65% of the vote, easily beating his Republican opponent Rich Tarrant. We speak with Sanders about what it means to the country’s first socialist senator.
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/11/8/vermonts_bernie_sanders_becomes_first_socialist
He's self identified as a socialist. maybe not by European standards though even there judging by his rhetoric I think many would apply the label.
But yeah, even if that 36% figure is accurate how many of them vote or would vote? Besides you turn off all moderates and centrists which is the key to dem electoral victory.
by Llamalandia » Sat May 30, 2015 2:31 pm
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Llamalandia wrote:Sorry but that sounds somewhat delusional. I mean, America may not like social conservativism but it absolutely reviles socialism at least nominally. Sanders would get owned no matter who he faced. Warren would have a decent shot against either of them, but I don't think eve nshe could win.
Bull shit, my friend.
36% of Americans view the word "socialism" positively. When you add in the fact that Bernie isn't actually a socialist, he's a social democrat with views that a lot of Americans, and probably a majority of self-described liberals, plus all progressives, could get behind, it's not hard to believe that he'd win against a woman who ran her company into the fucking ground and flat-out sounds stupid whenever she talks, and a papist who wears sweater vests and whose name means anal sex froth.
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