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Create-A-Country: General Political Ideology

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Choose a general political ideology

Poll ended at Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:02 am

Anarchism
10
8%
Communism
8
7%
Socialism
28
24%
Democracy
24
20%
Liberalism
18
15%
Fascism
9
8%
Oligarchy
9
8%
Monarchy
12
10%
 
Total votes : 118

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Create-A-Country: General Political Ideology

Postby Sanctissima » Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:02 am

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It's baaaack!

So the last poll was a bit too long, and kind of died out before the week was out. As such, the next ones will be reduced to 4 days each.

For those who don't know, this is the second of a series of threads wherein we essentially vote on different aspects of what will eventually be a hypothetical country.

Here's the link to last week's thread, for those who are curious about the result: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=338320

The winner was Federation.

For this thread, the vote is in regards to the general political ideology. Basically, how the country is run. Now, keep in mind that this is about the political ideology in general. The next thread will be about the political ideology in specificity. So, for example, if Communism got the most votes by the end of this poll, the subsequent poll would be about specific versions of Communism. Just like if Democracy got the most votes, it would be about specific versions of Democracy.

So, without further delay, here's the options, in no particular order:

Anarchism

Like Anarchy, but not quite. While the notion of anarchy has existed since time immemorial, Anarchism as an ideology has only been around for the past couple hundred of years. While anarchists vary greatly in their beliefs, they all want the same thing at the end of the day: the abolition of the State and near-total reduction of governmental functions. Although very similar to Communism, Anarchism differentiates itself in the notion that participation in a government/fragmented series of institutions should be entirely voluntary. One is, essentially, not a citizen unless one want to be.

Communism

Like Anarchism, Communism calls for the abolition of the State. That said, it differentiates itself in the fact that few Communists actually demand for the immediate institution of a communist country, recognizing this as an impossibility. Instead, they call for the creation of a semi-socialist, semi-communist State, with the end goal of ultimately abolishing the State and creating an egalitarian country of sorts.

Socialism

Although similar to, and often considered the same thing as Communism, Socialism remains more or less unique. Unlike Communism, Socialism does not call for the eventual creation of a stateless and ultra-egalitarian society. Instead, most socialist doctrines simply focus on the economic side of things. They ultimately seek to lower the rich-poor wealth disparity, but not necessarily eliminate it.

Democracy

While most political ideologies, be they fascist or communist, can include a voting system, Democracy is the only ideology that ultimately focuses on it. Basically, a Democracy is a country that has as its basis the concept that each individual should have the right to political representation. What this representation is and how inclusive it may be vary with the country, but they all have this fundamental idea at their core.

Liberalism

Inherently, the fine line between Liberalism and Democracy becomes vague and obscure. In fact, some might argue that there isn't one. Either way, although most countries that follow the ideological tenets of Liberalism are democratic, this doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Liberalism calls for, essentially, fairness. Unlike Communism and Socialism, it doesn't call for egalitarianism, or "equal results". Instead, it calls for fairness, or "equal chances". Basically, liberal countries inherently try to equalize the chances of each of their citizens to succeed, but not necessarily force success upon them.

Fascism

The ultimate form of authoritarianism. Essentially, a dictatorship. Fascism typically goes hand in hand with nationalism, the ultimate concern being the nation, its citizens being but a means to an end. There is but one ruler in a fascist State, one which is rarely elected into office by its people.

Oligarchy

A State run by a select group of individuals. Essentially, it is a country wherein power resides in the hands of a few. While Oligarchies vary widely in their beliefs, they all share in common the notions of aristocracy, hierarchy and the fundamental value of the State.

Monarchy

Although very similar to an Oligarchy, a Monarchy is different in the sense that whereas the oligarch gains his/her position from merit or favor, the monarch gains their position from rank or lineage. Although usually hereditary, the position of monarch as ruler of the State is not necessarily one without some form of fairness. In times past, the kings of Poland were elected, interestingly enough. That said, Monarchies share the notions of aristocracy (in the form of nobility) and hierarchy with Oligarchies.

Edit: For those who can't seem to understand much of anything unless they're given a 200-page long dissertation on the intricacies of underwater basket weaving, this particular thread is about political ideologies IN GENERAL. What does that mean? Lets say that hypothetically Democracy were to get the most votes. The next thread would be, as I already said, about the specific versions of the chosen ideology. So it would be things like Representative Democracy, Republicanism, Direct Democracy, etc. Do these ideologies share similar aspects? Yes, but that doesn't make them the same thing.

And yes, these are all ideologies. And no, you don't get to vote for more than one. If you want something like "Anarcho-Capitalism" then vote Anarchism and wait for the next thread.
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Postby Fanosolia » Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:11 am

Out of curiosity,where did you get the definition between the fine line of liberalism and democracy? I found the definitions you gave fascinating :)
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:17 am

Socialism is the abolition of private property. Little to nothing to do with reducing income inequality or focusing on the 'economic side of things', whatever that's supposed to mean. Communism is also by definition an anarchist ideology; flavours of each consistently overlap. Marxism would be better here as a separate ideology.
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Postby Mushet » Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:19 am

By general do you mean that every ideology represented would have an -ish at the end? I haven't been an Anarchist for quite a while because I think the technicalities and rigidity is a pain in the ass, but Anarchist-ic I can deal with.
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Postby Finland SSR » Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:33 am

Obviously, we have to go Fascist and get that juicy 'Nationalism' casus belli on everyone.

And +10% IC efficiency in military production? Who cares about the dissent and opinion maluses when we can crush everyone on sight?

/\ that was my PI me talking. Still voting Fascist, because interesting.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:34 am

The OP does not understand the difference between political ideology and government type. Also, at least five of the options given are potentially compatible with each other. This is a silly thread.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:36 am

Liberalism, if you are talking about "equality under the law."
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:36 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:The OP does not understand the difference between political ideology and government type. Also, at least five of the options given are potentially compatible with each other. This is a silly thread.


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Postby Laissez-Faire Economics » Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:41 am

Anarchism, communism, socialism, and liberalism are all completely compatible with democracy.

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Postby Dejanic » Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:43 am

Laissez-Faire Economics wrote:Anarchism, communism, socialism, and liberalism are all completely compatible with democracy.

So is Monarchy, unless Sweden/Uk aren't democracies.

And oligarchy is as well to an extent, look at America.
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Postby Finland SSR » Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:45 am

Dejanic wrote:
Laissez-Faire Economics wrote:Anarchism, communism, socialism, and liberalism are all completely compatible with democracy.

So is Monarchy, unless Sweden/Uk aren't democracies.

And oligarchy is as well to an extent, look at America.

And what's left?
Fascism.

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Finland SSR wrote:
Dejanic wrote:So is Monarchy, unless Sweden/Uk aren't democracies.

And oligarchy is as well to an extent, look at America.

And what's left?
Fascism.

They're like the lone emo kid nobody wants to fuck with because he is the only one who works out of political ideologies.

Fascism is compatible with monarchy, oligarchy, and even (theoretically) democracy.
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Postby Finland SSR » Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:51 am

OP, change the poll so we can vote for 2-3 ideologies at once.
We want to mix stuff.
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Postby New Werpland » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:18 pm

Get rid of Democracy, add Communitarianism.

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:24 pm

New Werpland wrote:Get rid of Democracy, add Communitarianism.

Why?
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Postby Bachmann America » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:28 pm

Social conservatism.

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Postby Genivaria » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:30 pm

Liberal Democracy.

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Postby Arglorand » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:33 pm

This is ridiculous. Democracy is a form of government, not an ideology.
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Postby New Werpland » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:39 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
New Werpland wrote:Get rid of Democracy, add Communitarianism.

Why?

the quote below
Arglorand wrote:This is ridiculous. Democracy is a form of government, not an ideology.

Communitarianism is the accurate name for an ideology that accepts both the state and the individual. Liberalism is quite broad in what it represents.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:48 pm

New Werpland wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Why?

the quote below
Arglorand wrote:This is ridiculous. Democracy is a form of government, not an ideology.

Communitarianism is the accurate name for an ideology that accepts both the state and the individual. Liberalism is quite broad in what it represents.

I know democracy is a form of government, not an ideology. Communitarianism isn't an ideology either, though, so much as it is a broad philosophy that factors into many political ideologies.
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:53 pm

I would have it be a monarchy.
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Postby Scandinavian Nations » Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:55 pm

Sanctissima wrote:The winner was Federation.

So edgy.
As in your previous thread, half the options are tangential to one another.
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Postby Sanctissima » Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:58 pm

Scandinavian Nations wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:The winner was Federation.

So edgy.
As in your previous thread, half the options are tangential to one another.


Well, that is politics after all.

More of the same thing.

What would you have me do, make a "I pick all the things" option?

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Postby Kibbehstan » Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:59 pm

Sanctissima wrote:What would you have me do, make a "I pick all the things" option?

No, but give us at least two choices.
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Postby Imperia Babylonia » Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:02 pm

If socialism wins, will democratic socialism be an option in the next thread? (And the same for Communism, Fascism, Liberalism etc.)
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