The Role of Government

[Washington Resistance Army]

The role of the government should be: Look after it's citizens by promoting equality, provide services for it's citizens, get rid of poverty and get rid of the capitalist class.

That "capitalist class" would only end up being the members of the government.

Truth ^

You'd be trading in one group of greedy morons for another, the second will simply say it's not greedy and cares about the worker.

[Socialist Tera]

The role of the government should be: Look after it's citizens by promoting equality, provide services for it's citizens, get rid of poverty and get rid of the capitalist class.

That "capitalist class" would only end up being the members of the government.

That's why we have cultural revolutions where we drive out capitalists out of the vanguard party.

[Mysterious Stranger]

That "capitalist class" would only end up being the members of the government.

That's why we have cultural revolutions where we drive out capitalists out of the vanguard party.

You mean purges. Those are called purges and they're bad.

[Republic of Coldwater]

The state, ideally, should not even exist, but such a system would be unlikely in today's world.

If we need to preserve the state, its purpose should be to ensure law and order, prosperity and national defense. It has no role in the bedrooms of its citizens, or the wallets of its citizens, or the life of its citizens.

[Republic of Coldwater]

That "capitalist class" would only end up being the members of the government.

That's why we have cultural revolutions where we drive out capitalists out of the vanguard party.

And kill tens of millions of people, and completely decimate the culture of a nation. *Looks at China.

[Socialist Tera]

That's why we have cultural revolutions where we drive out capitalists out of the vanguard party.

You mean purges. Those are called purges and they're bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm5fCJNMQWQ
No, it was the Great Proletariat Cultural Revolution, making sure socialism stays under Proletariat dictatorship. Communists want to make a new society, so we must get rid of elements of the old one.

[United Dependencies]

The state, ideally, should not even exist, but such a system would be unlikely in today's world.

If we need to preserve the state, its purpose should be to ensure law and order, prosperity and national defense. It has no role in the bedrooms of its citizens, or the wallets of its citizens, or the life of its citizens.

What if we could better ensure law and order and prosperity by intervening in the economic and public lives of our citizens?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

That "capitalist class" would only end up being the members of the government.

That's why we have cultural revolutions where we drive out capitalists out of the vanguard party.

See, now you're talking about Stalinist Russia. That has definitely been tried. On a very large scale. For a very long time. And it was one of the worst fucking nations to ever exist.

Stop adulterating Marx's ideas into pure evil and stupidity.

[Republic of Coldwater]

The state, ideally, should not even exist, but such a system would be unlikely in today's world.

If we need to preserve the state, its purpose should be to ensure law and order, prosperity and national defense. It has no role in the bedrooms of its citizens, or the wallets of its citizens, or the life of its citizens.

What if we could better ensure law and order and prosperity by intervening in the economic and public lives of our citizens?

Sure, we can really ensure law and order that way, but it is at the cost of the individual liberty and potentially the happiness of the citizens. The best way to ensure prosperity is through the free-market. Indeed, the wealthiest nations in the world are some of the most economically free, and least regulated.

[United Dependencies]

What if we could better ensure law and order and prosperity by intervening in the economic and public lives of our citizens?

Sure, we can really ensure law and order that way, but it is at the cost of the individual liberty and potentially the happiness of the citizens. The best way to ensure prosperity is through the free-market. Indeed, the wealthiest nations in the world are some of the most economically free, and least regulated.

What method are you using to define wealth?

[Socialist Tera]

That's why we have cultural revolutions where we drive out capitalists out of the vanguard party.

See, now you're talking about Stalinist Russia. That has definitely been tried. On a very large scale. For a very long time. And it was one of the worst fucking nations to ever exist.

Stop adulterating Marx's ideas into pure evil and stupidity.

The USSR is only bad if you love Nazis. Lol. Stalinism is Marxist Leninism, please tell me what is the theoretical differences between Lenin and Stalin because there isn't any. Just because you thump your animal farm and capitalist lies, does not mean the USSR is the worst nation. The nation to get first in space, industrialize into a superpower twice, smash the nazis etc. but what do I expect from a capitalist.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

See, now you're talking about Stalinist Russia. That has definitely been tried. On a very large scale. For a very long time. And it was one of the worst fucking nations to ever exist.

Stop adulterating Marx's ideas into pure evil and stupidity.

The USSR is only bad if you love Nazis. Lol. Stalinism is Marxist Leninism, please tell me what is the theoretical differences between Lenin and Stalin because there isn't any. Just because you thump your animal farm and capitalist lies, does not mean the USSR is the worst nation. The nation to get first in space, industrialize into a superpower twice, smash the nazis etc. but what do I expect from a capitalist.

...I'm a capitalist? What? I'm a communist.

The USSR starved its people. It created a ruling class. It had a strong, overarching totalitarian government, which is obviously in opposition to true anarchist communism. It was oppressive as shit.

[Socialist Tera]

The USSR is only bad if you love Nazis. Lol. Stalinism is Marxist Leninism, please tell me what is the theoretical differences between Lenin and Stalin because there isn't any. Just because you thump your animal farm and capitalist lies, does not mean the USSR is the worst nation. The nation to get first in space, industrialize into a superpower twice, smash the nazis etc. but what do I expect from a capitalist.

...I'm a capitalist? What? I'm a communist.

The USSR starved its people. It created a ruling class. It had a strong, overarching totalitarian government, which is obviously in opposition to true anarchist communism. It was oppressive as shit.

Oh, you are one of those "communists". Stop reading capitalist bullshit about the USSR, the OMG STATEZ CAPITALIZSM myth is false and anyone sensible was realize that the USSR created a revolutionary model that worked and help people achieve equality.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/arch ... 12/x01.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/ ... dec/31.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/ ... nov/24.htm
The USSR has achieved more than Paris Syndicate or Syndicate Spain, you Anarchists Communists brag about. Stop wishing you can get rid of the state in 1 day and achieve communism.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

The USSR is only bad if you love Nazis. Lol. Stalinism is Marxist Leninism, please tell me what is the theoretical differences between Lenin and Stalin because there isn't any. Just because you thump your animal farm and capitalist lies, does not mean the USSR is the worst nation. The nation to get first in space, industrialize into a superpower twice, smash the nazis etc. but what do I expect from a capitalist.

I'm pretty sure that what was best for the workers was not being murdered by the millions. Any movement that considers that acceptable needs to be opposed with every ounce of force necessary.

[Genivaria]

Promoting the general welfare of the population.

Why would it be anything different?

Some people here already said that they think government's priority should be order. Or security.
Different government priorities and philosophies lead to different results.

[Ardoki]

Why would it be anything different?

Some people here already said that they think government's priority should be order. Or security.
Different government priorities and philosophies lead to different results.

Promoting the general welfare of the population should include order and security.

[Socialist Tera]

The USSR is only bad if you love Nazis. Lol. Stalinism is Marxist Leninism, please tell me what is the theoretical differences between Lenin and Stalin because there isn't any. Just because you thump your animal farm and capitalist lies, does not mean the USSR is the worst nation. The nation to get first in space, industrialize into a superpower twice, smash the nazis etc. but what do I expect from a capitalist.

I'm pretty sure that what was best for the workers was not being murdered by the millions. Any movement that considers that acceptable needs to be opposed with every ounce of force necessary.

http://espressostalinist.com/the-real-s ... ut-stalin/

[The Liberated Territories]

Sources:

Marxist.org
Expressostalinist

lmao.

[Socialist Tera]

Sources:

Marxist.org
Expressostalinist

lmao.

Sources:
Animal Farm
Ayn Rand
Trotsky
Lmao.
I have been reading population data and primary sources from the time of the USSR and China.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Sources:

Marxist.org
Expressostalinist

lmao.

Sources:
Animal Farm
Ayn Rand
Trotsky
Lmao.

No, more like most any credible sources out there. Sorry bud.

[Genivaria]

Some people here already said that they think government's priority should be order. Or security.
Different government priorities and philosophies lead to different results.

Promoting the general welfare of the population should include order and security.

The way I see it it goes even further then that, to me Egalitarian leads to order and security.
Liberal Democracies are far more stable and healthy then tyrannical dictatorships and monarchs.

Order doesn't need to be a priority, focus on freedom, justice, fairness, and equality, and order simply follows.

[Socialist Tera]

Sources:
Animal Farm
Ayn Rand
Trotsky
Lmao.

No, more like most any credible sources out there. Sorry bud.

So, population data is not credible, US historians who visited USSR and revolutionary China is not credible. Primary sources from the USSR and Rev China is not credible?
Stop lying.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No, more like most any credible sources out there. Sorry bud.

So, population data is not credible, US historians who visited USSR and revolutionary China is not credible. Primary sources from the USSR and Rev China is not credible?
Stop lying.

Between the USSR and PR China dozens of millions of people died, that is not what is best for anyone.

[The Liberated Territories]

Sources:

Marxist.org
Expressostalinist

lmao.

Sources:
Animal Farm
Ayn Rand
Trotsky
Lmao.

Thankfully I don't have to quote Ayn Rand to show that markets=prosperity or that USSR was an authoritarian hellhole.

Pictures will do, instead.

http://www.realussr.com/ussr/21-depress ... -shaikhet/

[Socialist Tera]

So, population data is not credible, US historians who visited USSR and revolutionary China is not credible. Primary sources from the USSR and Rev China is not credible?
Stop lying.

Between the USSR and PR China dozens of millions of people died, that is not what is best for anyone.

Population graphs says otherwise. It would be impossible with the population of the time for "millions to die" unless there was a fertility rates that put rabbits to shame. If Russia and China did not become communist, they would be like India, low literacy rates, high infant mortality rates, even poorer people. Russia and China were 3rd world shitholes before the revolutions and the revolutions improved them, remember that. Capitalists would just exploit the poor workers without caring for their health.

Sources:
Animal Farm
Ayn Rand
Trotsky
Lmao.

Thankfully I don't have to quote Ayn Rand to show that markets=prosperity or that USSR was an authoritarian hellhole.

Pictures will do, instead.

http://www.realussr.com/ussr/21-depress ... -shaikhet/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxwhghNbScI