We Do Not Kneel

[The Great Nation of Dan]

If Kefka can make NSG threads based on Game of Thrones plots, then I can make ones based on Dragon Ball Z plots.
brb making thread named "Would you kill someone you absolutely hated since birth if you had the chance" or something like that

Also, I would pick the option that would give me more chances to win whatever I'm leading. So, kneel and get in the van.

To answer the thread. No, unless they made a threat against my honor or my kin I will.

Also my logic for not kneeling is that i intend for my organization to have a fail safe for just such an occasion. Later dicussion will have to be had but if we do surrender and forced into war we will join the other side and reform.

[Gigaverse]

The chances of one dying in both scenarios are high; but nevertheless, kneeling is a way to ensure you'd live for another day.

If they give you a fate worse than death, just accept it! If they don't, you've lived. And you will find a chance to fight for another day.

[Camicon]

I'm curious, in what reality does it make sense to take the entirety of one's defeated enemy, humiliate them, protect them from legal recourse for any crimes they committed, and then arm them to fight a war when only a single individual has shown even a passing interest in not continuing the current conflict (and only then because they faced execution).

Seriously. I'd kneel, take their weapons, and then start things right back up. Choosing death would be stupid and pointless, when the alternative is a brief period of rest plus an influx of weapons and materiel.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

You failed to quantify the quality of the dictatorship.

Kneel.

[Camicon]

You failed to quantify the quality of the dictatorship.

Kneel.

If you're leading a violent rebellion to overthrow the dictatorship, presumably you disagree with the quality of the dictatorship. It's not like these things are objectively quantifiable.

[Warpspace]

Only a blithering moron dies over an ideal that will be forgotten in place of continuation of life. Just desert when you're deployed and go to another country. Nothing escapes entropy, not even the universe. Any tiny sliver of additional life you can seize is worth the price. Nothing you build, nothing you believe, nothing you love will survive time. Everything is erased by its passage.

Plus were you to die, you cease to give any thought about any ideal to begin with, because you're dead. You, the observer are the center of the universe. Everything only has meaning as long as you live, as you only know your own mind, your own happiness, your own experience. When you perish, oblivion awaits, and for all intents and purposes the world dies with you as you cease to be.

The rebellion won't matter anymore if you die. It won't matter anymore if you live. You might as well continue to survive and thrive- eek out another life somewhere else.

[The Two Jerseys]

Kneel, go to war, surrender en masse, join the enemy, fight the dictatorship.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I kinda like how this was phrased... and later on, how he answered in full.

Never give up. Never surrender.

[New DeCapito]

Which episode of GoT inspired this thread?

[Finland SSR]

One more thing:

You are the leader of a revolutionary cause or an ideology you really believe in.

Your people have fought valiantly but you as the leader, have been captured.

You are told by the dictatorship government that if you, as the leader of your cause, kneel and surrender your people over to the government, your life will be spared and everyone involved in the resistance will be pardoned. However, you and your followers will be expected to fight as front-line soldiers in a foreign war for the benefit of the dictatorship.

If you do not kneel, they will sentence you to die in a very unpleasant manner in front of your followers.

_____________

I would not kneel. We do not kneel.

There are some things more important than life and death such as belief in Freedom and Honor. We only have a limited number of days to make a real difference and to take a stand in this world. It is better to leave the world with some dignity than to betray your ideals.

Death is not an easy thing to face and neither is pain, but it's a true test of character.

_____________

Do you kneel? Why or why not? How would you justify your decision?

I really don't understand why everyone associates a rebellion as fighting against a dictatorship.

Honestly, in a way, even democracies can be oppressive to someone. After all, just because you're a rebel doesn't always mean you fight for the good side.

[Hanchu]

It us better to die a hero , than be killed as cannon fodder

[Ifreann]

Which episode of GoT inspired this thread?

Season 5, episode 1.

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It us better to die a hero , than be killed as cannon fodder

Better to live than either, generally.

[Tyrandel]

I'd kneel and then betray them, because a living leader is more useful than a dead symbol. Also, if they're deluded enough to not execute me outright they are also probably not going to see the betrayal coming. Once I win, I can just rewrite history to make myself honorable. Even if they do manage to kill me after or during the betrayal, better to die in a battle than get executed like some common criminal. Struggling even against impossible odds is much more inspiring than losing and then accepting your failure.

[Romano-Germanic Empire]

Neither. I would have committed seppuku before being captured.

[Infected Mushroom]

One more thing:

You are the leader of a revolutionary cause or an ideology you really believe in.

Your people have fought valiantly but you as the leader, have been captured.

You are told by the dictatorship government that if you, as the leader of your cause, kneel and surrender your people over to the government, your life will be spared and everyone involved in the resistance will be pardoned. However, you and your followers will be expected to fight as front-line soldiers in a foreign war for the benefit of the dictatorship.

If you do not kneel, they will sentence you to die in a very unpleasant manner in front of your followers.

_____________

I would not kneel. We do not kneel.

There are some things more important than life and death such as belief in Freedom and Honor. We only have a limited number of days to make a real difference and to take a stand in this world. It is better to leave the world with some dignity than to betray your ideals.

Death is not an easy thing to face and neither is pain, but it's a true test of character.

_____________

Do you kneel? Why or why not? How would you justify your decision?

I really don't understand why everyone associates a rebellion as fighting against a dictatorship.

Honestly, in a way, even democracies can be oppressive to someone. After all, just because you're a rebel doesn't always mean you fight for the good side.

Democracies can NEVER be oppressive.

So long as every single person is theoretically allowed to ''choose'' their leader every four years (pre-selected by the rich) by casting a statistically insignificant ballot... the people are Free.

I mean, if the leaders then do stupid things, gridlock, or only serve the interests of the rich the masses ALWAYS have the power. They can always mobilise and vote out one pre-selected corporate puppet for another pre-selected corporate puppet; it really puts a dent on the forces behind the government.

And of course the leaders are going to be the best. What the majority wants is always what's best for the majority and its always what's best for the long term. And its much more Free.

Democracies cannot be Oppressive, Democracy = Freedom.

And in a democracy, I have a right to run for political office too. There is true Equality. I might not have the money to really win or stand a chance but at least I have the theoretical RIGHT. That's all that matters.

[New DeCapito]

One more thing:


I really don't understand why everyone associates a rebellion as fighting against a dictatorship.

Honestly, in a way, even democracies can be oppressive to someone. After all, just because you're a rebel doesn't always mean you fight for the good side.

Democracies can NEVER be oppressive.

So long as every single person is theoretically allowed to ''choose'' their leader every four years (pre-selected by the rich) by casting a statistically insignificant ballot... the people are Free.

I mean, if the leaders then do stupid things, gridlock, or only serve the interests of the rich the masses ALWAYS have the power. They can always mobilise and vote out one pre-selected corporate puppet for another pre-selected corporate puppet; it really puts a dent on the forces behind the government.

And of course the leaders are going to be the best. What the majority wants is always what's best for the majority and its always what's best for the long term. And its much more Free.

Democracies cannot be Oppressive, Democracy = Freedom.

And in a democracy, I have a right to run for political office too. There is true Equality. I might not have the money to really win or stand a chance but at least I have the theoretical RIGHT. That's all that matters.

Ever heard of the lesser of two evils? It's how the USA's election works. And if democracies equal freedom, how is the USA (again, sorry) allowed to use the NSA to track its civilians?

[The Great Nation of Dan]

Democracies can NEVER be oppressive.

So long as every single person is theoretically allowed to ''choose'' their leader every four years (pre-selected by the rich) by casting a statistically insignificant ballot... the people are Free.

I mean, if the leaders then do stupid things, gridlock, or only serve the interests of the rich the masses ALWAYS have the power. They can always mobilise and vote out one pre-selected corporate puppet for another pre-selected corporate puppet; it really puts a dent on the forces behind the government.

And of course the leaders are going to be the best. What the majority wants is always what's best for the majority and its always what's best for the long term. And its much more Free.

Democracies cannot be Oppressive, Democracy = Freedom.

And in a democracy, I have a right to run for political office too. There is true Equality. I might not have the money to really win or stand a chance but at least I have the theoretical RIGHT. That's all that matters.

Ever heard of the lesser of two evils? It's how the USA's election works. And if democracies equal freedom, how is the USA (again, sorry) allowed to use the NSA to track its civilians?

That's socialism, meaning strict government supervison . It is in fact possible to have a non-totalitarian democracy if it is under direct influence of the civilian populace.

[Ifreann]

Democracies can NEVER be oppressive.

So long as every single person is theoretically allowed to ''choose'' their leader every four years (pre-selected by the rich) by casting a statistically insignificant ballot... the people are Free.

I mean, if the leaders then do stupid things, gridlock, or only serve the interests of the rich the masses ALWAYS have the power. They can always mobilise and vote out one pre-selected corporate puppet for another pre-selected corporate puppet; it really puts a dent on the forces behind the government.

And of course the leaders are going to be the best. What the majority wants is always what's best for the majority and its always what's best for the long term. And its much more Free.

Democracies cannot be Oppressive, Democracy = Freedom.

And in a democracy, I have a right to run for political office too. There is true Equality. I might not have the money to really win or stand a chance but at least I have the theoretical RIGHT. That's all that matters.

Ever heard of the lesser of two evils? It's how the USA's election works. And if democracies equal freedom, how is the USA (again, sorry) allowed to use the NSA to track its civilians?

He's trying to sarcastically criticise democracy, he's just really bad at that sort of thing. He does the same with drug legalisation.

[Finland SSR]

One more thing:


I really don't understand why everyone associates a rebellion as fighting against a dictatorship.

Honestly, in a way, even democracies can be oppressive to someone. After all, just because you're a rebel doesn't always mean you fight for the good side.

Democracies can NEVER be oppressive.

So long as every single person is theoretically allowed to ''choose'' their leader every four years (pre-selected by the rich) by casting a statistically insignificant ballot... the people are Free.

I mean, if the leaders then do stupid things, gridlock, or only serve the interests of the rich the masses ALWAYS have the power. They can always mobilise and vote out one pre-selected corporate puppet for another pre-selected corporate puppet; it really puts a dent on the forces behind the government.

And of course the leaders are going to be the best. What the majority wants is always what's best for the majority and its always what's best for the long term. And its much more Free.

Democracies cannot be Oppressive, Democracy = Freedom.

And in a democracy, I have a right to run for political office too. There is true Equality. I might not have the money to really win or stand a chance but at least I have the theoretical RIGHT. That's all that matters.

*sigh*

During the late Imperialism Age, and also between the Word Wars, were colonialist countries like the UK or France democracies or not?
Yes? Were the people living in their colonies, in a way, oppressed?
Yes? Did the people living in those colonies, like in India or Africa, like being ruled over by said democracies?
No? Here's my explanation.

[New DeCapito]

Ever heard of the lesser of two evils? It's how the USA's election works. And if democracies equal freedom, how is the USA (again, sorry) allowed to use the NSA to track its civilians?

He's trying to sarcastically criticise democracy, he's just really bad at that sort of thing. He does the same with drug legalisation.

Do I? From my memory, I've never really got involved in a drug legalisation thread at all... and I do think democracy is a good idea. It's just abused sometimes.

[Ifreann]

He's trying to sarcastically criticise democracy, he's just really bad at that sort of thing. He does the same with drug legalisation.

Do I? From my memory, I've never really got involved in a drug legalisation thread at all... and I do think democracy is a good idea. It's just abused sometimes.

I'm not talking about you, I'm talking to you. I'm talking about Infected Mushroom, the person you quoted.

[Empire of Narnia]

Hold on baby. Please get on your knees. If you don't do it for me do it for Chuck E. Cheese.

[New DeCapito]

Do I? From my memory, I've never really got involved in a drug legalisation thread at all... and I do think democracy is a good idea. It's just abused sometimes.

I'm not talking about you, I'm talking to you. I'm talking about Infected Mushroom, the person you quoted.

Oh, right, ok.

[Genivaria]

I'm curious, in what reality does it make sense to take the entirety of one's defeated enemy, humiliate them, protect them from legal recourse for any crimes they committed, and then arm them to fight a war when only a single individual has shown even a passing interest in not continuing the current conflict (and only then because they faced execution).

Seriously. I'd kneel, take their weapons, and then start things right back up. Choosing death would be stupid and pointless, when the alternative is a brief period of rest plus an influx of weapons and materiel.

It's all thanks to the idiotic, childish, ITG version of honor for honor's sake.
Dying bravely for your cause doesn't make you right or noble. You know who else gladly dies for their cause? ISIS.

[The Great Nation of Dan]

I'm curious, in what reality does it make sense to take the entirety of one's defeated enemy, humiliate them, protect them from legal recourse for any crimes they committed, and then arm them to fight a war when only a single individual has shown even a passing interest in not continuing the current conflict (and only then because they faced execution).

Seriously. I'd kneel, take their weapons, and then start things right back up. Choosing death would be stupid and pointless, when the alternative is a brief period of rest plus an influx of weapons and materiel.

It's all thanks to the idiotic, childish, ITG version of honor for honor's sake.
Dying bravely for your cause doesn't make you right or noble. You know who else gladly dies for their cause? ISIS.

So? If you believe in something strong enough there is at least the good you want the thing to become. If the dictatorship is seen as oppressive rather than one of benevolent nature. Then I agree with an overthrow. Note from what we know here we take a role as either the mainstay leader or at least primary captain of a sect.