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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
249
32%
Eastern Orthodox
50
7%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East , etc.)
9
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
46
6%
Methodist
33
4%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
77
10%
Baptist
84
11%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, non-denominational, etc.)
100
13%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
28
4%
Other Christian
93
12%
 
Total votes : 769

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Winnopolis
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Postby Winnopolis » Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:50 am

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Winnopolis wrote:I have. I guess that's the mature approach. To not deal with these kids. I won't stoop down to their level and use mockery as an argument.

It just hurts me (and makes me teary-eyed) seeing people who mock Jesus.


Take comfort and know that Jesus is above all that. God is too big to be offended by the edginess.

I'll just laugh at the fact that they're going to hell.
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Morr
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Postby Morr » Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:51 am

Winnopolis wrote:Can any of you guys get on TET? My stress levels are going high with these people who mock Jesus. I need to get some Advil.

You go into a lolrandom thread and then get offended that it's infested with secularist humor?
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Tarsonis Survivors
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:55 am

Winnopolis wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Take comfort and know that Jesus is above all that. God is too big to be offended by the edginess.

I'll just laugh at the fact that they're going to hell.

Yeah I wouldn't do that either.

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Tarsonis Survivors
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:57 am

Morr wrote:
Winnopolis wrote:Can any of you guys get on TET? My stress levels are going high with these people who mock Jesus. I need to get some Advil.

You go into a lolrandom thread and then get offended that it's infested with secularist humor?
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She's young. She hasn't been exposed to the Brood of vipers that is the interwebs as much as we have.

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Postby Herskerstad » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:01 pm

Winnopolis wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Take comfort and know that Jesus is above all that. God is too big to be offended by the edginess.

I'll just laugh at the fact that they're going to hell.


To which you have a lot to learn about Christian behaviour yourself.
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Conscentia
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Postby Conscentia » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:07 pm

Winnopolis wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Take comfort and know that Jesus is above all that. God is too big to be offended by the edginess.

I'll just laugh at the fact that they're going to hell.

That's not at all vicious and messed up.

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Morr
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Postby Morr » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:08 pm

Herskerstad wrote:
Winnopolis wrote:I'll just laugh at the fact that they're going to hell.


To which you have a lot to learn about Christian behaviour yourself.

I think it might have to do with the upbringing in her denomination.
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Atelia
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Postby Atelia » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:17 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:
Atelia wrote:So I have exhausted the churches in my community (Which was a lot indeed, I found out) and I don't even know how I feel. I really tried to go into this journey without clinging on to previous notions but that was difficult. In my study of the Trinity I realized that the Bible I always used is simply not the same as the ones of those teaching me and that not all of theirs agreed with each others either. Certain churches seemed untrustworthy, others were too theologically liberal, and and some seemed barren with dwindling membership and disinterested priests and the looming, unavoidable Orthodox Church seems to be filled with hypocrites and made up of people who almost never even bother to go on Sunday's. I don't know what to do, with so many different Christian groups I feel like I'm losing a sense of believing in Christian legitimacy. I'm starting to feel like Jehovahs Witness theology is more compatible with Islam then other Christian groups.

Unfortunately, the churches that happen to be located in a given area (such as, for example, the one where you live) are not always the best representatives of their respective denominations or traditions. So yes, some of them might have lots of nominal members who don't attend most services, or any one of the other problems you listed. But you should pick a church based on what it teaches (or based on the official doctrines it adheres to, in the case of denominations that have official doctrines, such as the Orthodox or the Roman Catholic), and based on its ties to the ancient, original Church - not based on the kinds of people who happen to make up the local community in your area.

Sure, it would be excellent if you found a church where the people are great, too... but if you can't find a church like that, look for the other things instead. They're more important, anyway.

Atelia wrote:Well there is one, not that far from where I live, but why do you recommend their Church?

I would assume he recommends it because he thinks it's the only one you haven't tried yet. After all, it is by far the smallest of the ancient Churches, and therefore the least likely to have a nearby parish.

So I'm actually quite amazed that they have a parish not far from you. You must live in an extremely diverse area.

Yeah Moscow is a world city mate. But thanks for the advice, I should definitely consider your advice.
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Angleter
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Postby Angleter » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:22 pm

Winnopolis wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Take comfort and know that Jesus is above all that. God is too big to be offended by the edginess.

I'll just laugh at the fact that they're going to hell.


Please tell me that was just a (misjudged) joke.

EDIT: If you're serious, here's an alternative - pray for them.
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Postby Dwarfpolis » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:40 pm

Guys, since you look like a very friendly and helpful bunch, I wanted to talk with you about my recent dwindling faith. I am not sure if it's just my age, or if it will be a persisting issue, but I am no longer feeling spiritual at all.

You know when people get some peace and quiet and they start to think that there must be more to the world, that there is a "life force" to all things? Whenever I have time to meditate it feels to me that everything really is lifeless matter and I'm just a bunch of self-decomposing cells. I've also become more wrathful and an overall more sinful person. Will these feelings stop once my hormones calm down, as it's just a normal psychological reaction? Am I depressed and don't know it?

Thanks in advance for the answers, by the time you read this I'm probably already in bed or at high-school(It's a philology-focused course/class/agenda/profile in an Orthodox seminary, but it hasn't really done much to improve my spiritual situation.)

tl;dr: I guess you could say I no longer feel the "magic" of praying and Christianity in general anymore.
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Postby Morr » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:43 pm

Dwarfpolis wrote:Guys, since you look like a very friendly and helpful bunch, I wanted to talk with you about my recent dwindling faith. I am not sure if it's just my age, or if it will be a persisting issue, but I am no longer feeling spiritual at all.

You know when people get some peace and quiet and they start to think that there must be more to the world, that there is a "life force" to all things? Whenever I have time to meditate it feels to me that everything really is lifeless matter and I'm just a bunch of self-decomposing cells. I've also become more wrathful and an overall more sinful person. Will these feelings stop once my hormones calm down, as it's just a normal psychological reaction? Am I depressed and don't know it?

Thanks in advance for the answers, by the time you read this I'm probably already in bed or at high-school(It's a philology-focused class in an Orthodox seminary, but it hasn't really done much to improve my spiritual situation.)

tl;dr: I guess you could say I no longer feel the "magic" of praying and Christianity in general anymore.

What denomination are you? how do you go about praying?
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Conscentia
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Postby Conscentia » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:46 pm

Dwarfpolis wrote:Guys, since you look like a very friendly and helpful bunch, I wanted to talk with you about my recent dwindling of faith. I am not sure if it's just my age, or if it will be a persisting issue, but I am no longer feeling spiritual at all.

You know when people get some peace and quiet and they start to think that there must be more to the world, that there is a "life force" to all things? Whenever I have time to meditate it feels to me that everything really is lifeless matter and I'm just a bunch of self-decomposing cells. I've also become more wrathful and an overall more sinful person. Will these feelings stop once my hormones calm down, as it's just a normal psychological reaction? Am I depressed and don't know it?

Thanks in advance for the answers, by the time you read this I'm probably already in bed or at high-school(It's an Orthodox seminary, but it hasn't really done much to improve my spiritual situation.)

tl;dr: I guess you could say I no longer feel the "magic" of praying and Christianity in general anymore.

1. Your signature says you're 13. Maybe it's 'teenage angst'. ie. 'a normal psychological reaction'.
2. Don't try and force faith. If you insist on having faith, have a good reason to have it. Blind faith helps no one.
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Dwarfpolis
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Postby Dwarfpolis » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:47 pm

Morr wrote:What denomination are you? how do you go about praying?


1) Eastern Catholic, despite the fact that I'm at an Orthodox school.
2)I don't go about praying, really. I used to pray once every time I went to bed but I recently stopped doing even that.

My school does organize monthly masses, as I've already attended one today.
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Postby The United Neptumousian Empire » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:50 pm

Winnopolis wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Take comfort and know that Jesus is above all that. God is too big to be offended by the edginess.

I'll just laugh at the fact that they're going to hell.

That's not something to laugh or rejoice about.

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:08 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Morr wrote:You go into a lolrandom thread and then get offended that it's infested with secularist humor?
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She's young. She hasn't been exposed to the Brood of vipers that is the interwebs as much as we have.

I resemble that remark!
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:16 pm

Herskerstad wrote:
Winnopolis wrote:Can any of you guys get on TET? My stress levels are going high with these people who mock Jesus. I need to get some Advil.


[...]

As far as yourself is concerned. Don't sweat it too much. I can't recall any serious or at the very least deep ontological challenge being offered in the five threads we've had on the subject by one outside the faith.

Excuse me? My very existence is a deep ontological challenge :p
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Ithqington
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Postby Ithqington » Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:39 pm

What political view people in this Thread have? what is your Pro and Anti?

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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:21 pm

Dwarfpolis wrote:Guys, since you look like a very friendly and helpful bunch, I wanted to talk with you about my recent dwindling faith. I am not sure if it's just my age, or if it will be a persisting issue, but I am no longer feeling spiritual at all.

You know when people get some peace and quiet and they start to think that there must be more to the world, that there is a "life force" to all things? Whenever I have time to meditate it feels to me that everything really is lifeless matter and I'm just a bunch of self-decomposing cells. I've also become more wrathful and an overall more sinful person. Will these feelings stop once my hormones calm down, as it's just a normal psychological reaction? Am I depressed and don't know it?

Thanks in advance for the answers, by the time you read this I'm probably already in bed or at high-school(It's a philology-focused course/class/agenda/profile in an Orthodox seminary, but it hasn't really done much to improve my spiritual situation.)

tl;dr: I guess you could say I no longer feel the "magic" of praying and Christianity in general anymore.


I've been going through a bit of this myself, and I'm about a decade older than you.

What has helped me most is talking to friends who I know are strong in their faith, and have discussions. Talk through your problems.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:23 pm

Ithqington wrote:What political view people in this Thread have? what is your Pro and Anti?


It's not too much of a political thread as it is a religious thread. And our political stances vary.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:25 pm

Menassa wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
She's young. She hasn't been exposed to the Brood of vipers that is the interwebs as much as we have.

I resemble that remark!


You know, you're the second person today I've heard saying that.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Postby Morr » Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:36 pm

Dwarfpolis wrote:
Morr wrote:What denomination are you? how do you go about praying?


1) Eastern Catholic, despite the fact that I'm at an Orthodox school.
2)I don't go about praying, really. I used to pray once every time I went to bed but I recently stopped doing even that.

My school does organize monthly masses, as I've already attended one today.

You should be going to Mass every week, if possible.

If you're Catholic, then Pray the Rosary, regardless of whether or not its a thing with Eastern Catholics.

Employ the Jesus Prayer as constantly as you can.

Have you read Kierkegaard?

Have you see The Passion of the Christ?
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:55 pm

Dwarfpolis wrote:Guys, since you look like a very friendly and helpful bunch, I wanted to talk with you about my recent dwindling faith. I am not sure if it's just my age, or if it will be a persisting issue, but I am no longer feeling spiritual at all.

You know when people get some peace and quiet and they start to think that there must be more to the world, that there is a "life force" to all things? Whenever I have time to meditate it feels to me that everything really is lifeless matter and I'm just a bunch of self-decomposing cells. I've also become more wrathful and an overall more sinful person. Will these feelings stop once my hormones calm down, as it's just a normal psychological reaction? Am I depressed and don't know it?

Thanks in advance for the answers, by the time you read this I'm probably already in bed or at high-school(It's a philology-focused course/class/agenda/profile in an Orthodox seminary, but it hasn't really done much to improve my spiritual situation.)

tl;dr: I guess you could say I no longer feel the "magic" of praying and Christianity in general anymore.

If you're at a seminary, you have access to a priest, right?
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Postby Czechanada » Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:44 pm

Dwarfpolis wrote:Guys, since you look like a very friendly and helpful bunch, I wanted to talk with you about my recent dwindling faith. I am not sure if it's just my age, or if it will be a persisting issue, but I am no longer feeling spiritual at all.

You know when people get some peace and quiet and they start to think that there must be more to the world, that there is a "life force" to all things? Whenever I have time to meditate it feels to me that everything really is lifeless matter and I'm just a bunch of self-decomposing cells. I've also become more wrathful and an overall more sinful person. Will these feelings stop once my hormones calm down, as it's just a normal psychological reaction? Am I depressed and don't know it?

Thanks in advance for the answers, by the time you read this I'm probably already in bed or at high-school(It's a philology-focused course/class/agenda/profile in an Orthodox seminary, but it hasn't really done much to improve my spiritual situation.)

tl;dr: I guess you could say I no longer feel the "magic" of praying and Christianity in general anymore.


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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:02 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Winnopolis wrote:I'll just laugh at the fact that they're going to hell.

That's not at all vicious and messed up.

Meh temporal edginess is the new black.
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Postby Czechanada » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:09 pm

Winnopolis wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Take comfort and know that Jesus is above all that. God is too big to be offended by the edginess.

I'll just laugh at the fact that they're going to hell.


I'll be laughing at the fact that you won't have the chance to hang out with Socrates.
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