Christian Discussion Thread V

[Tarsonis Survivors]

The concept of a "Devil" is more closely tied to Greek occupation than Christian invention.

[The Flutterlands]

The concept of a "Devil" is more closely tied to Greek occupation than Christian invention.

Same with our idea of the afterlife, which as I think about it brings up more questions.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

The concept of a "Devil" is more closely tied to Greek occupation than Christian invention.

Same with our idea of the afterlife, which as I think about it brings up more questions.

Not really. I think People regard Orthodoxy too dearly. The concept of God is unknowable in its entirety. As we seek to learn more and more about the concepts of God , religion, and the realities of our own existence those beliefs are going to evolve to include new information.

It doesn't mean that God is changing, only that our understanding is.



And I should emphasize it was Greek Philosophy not Greek religion that drove the concept.

[New Werpland]

Same with our idea of the afterlife, which as I think about it brings up more questions.

Not really. I think People regard Orthodoxy too dearly. The concept of God is unknowable in its entirety. As we seek to learn more and more about the concepts of God , religion, and the realities of our own existence those beliefs are going to evolve to include new information.

It doesn't mean that God is changing, only that our understanding is.



And I should emphasize it was Greek Philosophy not Greek religion that drove the concept.

Didn't the Persians develop dualism not the Greeks?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Not really. I think People regard Orthodoxy too dearly. The concept of God is unknowable in its entirety. As we seek to learn more and more about the concepts of God , religion, and the realities of our own existence those beliefs are going to evolve to include new information.

It doesn't mean that God is changing, only that our understanding is.



And I should emphasize it was Greek Philosophy not Greek religion that drove the concept.

Didn't the Persians develop dualism not the Greeks?

Like I said, Greek Philosophy not Greek religion.


I wasn't speaking of dualism, nor can Christianity be considered dualist in the same sense as Zoroastrianism

[Benuty]

Didn't the Persians develop dualism not the Greeks?

Like I said, Greek Philosophy not Greek religion.


I wasn't speaking of dualism, nor can Christianity be considered dualist in the same sense as Zoroastrianism

To be specific Neo-platonism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplatonism

As for the part about Dualism the Zoroastrians of modern day haven't entirely stuck to that view if anything the side of evil, and destruction has been nerfed (possibly due to Islamic influence).

[Benuty]

Not really. I think People regard Orthodoxy too dearly. The concept of God is unknowable in its entirety. As we seek to learn more and more about the concepts of God , religion, and the realities of our own existence those beliefs are going to evolve to include new information.

It doesn't mean that God is changing, only that our understanding is.



And I should emphasize it was Greek Philosophy not Greek religion that drove the concept.

Didn't the Persians develop dualism not the Greeks?

Well religious Dualism certainly took a hold within the new religion, but that took a while to cement.

Then you have dualism in terms of philosophy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism_( ... hy_of_mind)

[Benuty]

The concept of a "Devil" is more closely tied to Greek occupation than Christian invention.

Same with our idea of the afterlife, which as I think about it brings up more questions.

Questions such as?

[The Flutterlands]

Same with our idea of the afterlife, which as I think about it brings up more questions.

Questions such as?

Wither or not certain Christian faiths are man-made, since they don't equate with certain Jewish roots.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Wither or not certain Christian faiths are man-made, since they don't equate with certain Jewish roots.

All of them probably are.

[Mysterious Stranger 2]

Questions such as?

Wither or not certain Christian faiths are man-made, since they don't equate with certain Jewish roots.

Are hebrew roots, by virtue of being divinely inspired, not to be considered man made? I wouldn't have assumed that. Couldn't God have just brought about hebrew culture through men?

[The Flutterlands]

Wither or not certain Christian faiths are man-made, since they don't equate with certain Jewish roots.

Are hebrew roots, by virtue of being divinely inspired, not to be considered man made? I wouldn't have assumed that. Couldn't God have just brought about hebrew culture through men?

I don't know. To be honest I've been going through an agnostic 'phase' lately.

[Mysterious Stranger 2]

Are hebrew roots, by virtue of being divinely inspired, not to be considered man made? I wouldn't have assumed that. Couldn't God have just brought about hebrew culture through men?

I don't know. To be honest I've been going through an agnostic 'phase' lately.

Happens to the best of us.

[Angleter]

Satan is not even the King of Hell, the Scriptures tell nothing of Satan ruling Hell. If anything, he's even one of the tormented in Hell.

We know that, but that still seems to be a 'man-made' doctrine, since that Judaism, where Christianity comes from, don't believe in the fallen-angel satan.

Judaism today doesn't. There most likely was a Jewish sect 2000 years ago that did (see the Book of Wisdom and the Book of Enoch). And in any case, the New Testament is unambiguous.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Didn't the Persians develop dualism not the Greeks?

Well religious Dualism certainly took a hold within the new religion, but that took a while to cement.

Then you have dualism in terms of philosophy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism_( ... hy_of_mind)

No it didn't. The Christian view cannot adequately be called dualism.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

We know that, but that still seems to be a 'man-made' doctrine, since that Judaism, where Christianity comes from, don't believe in the fallen-angel satan.

Judaism today doesn't. There most likely was a Jewish sect 2000 years ago that did (see the Book of Wisdom and the Book of Enoch). And in any case, the New Testament is unambiguous.

There are actually fallen angels quite early in Judaism.

[Scyobayrynn]

We know that, but that still seems to be a 'man-made' doctrine, since that Judaism, where Christianity comes from, don't believe in the fallen-angel satan.

Judaism today doesn't. There most likely was a Jewish sect 2000 years ago that did (see the Book of Wisdom and the Book of Enoch). And in any case, the New Testament is unambiguous.

What chapter and verse in the new testament references fallen angels, I'm not familiar with that.
That's not sarcasm.

[Benuty]

Well religious Dualism certainly took a hold within the new religion, but that took a while to cement.

Then you have dualism in terms of philosophy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism_( ... hy_of_mind)

No it didn't. The Christian view cannot adequately be called dualism.

Nor could my post have been talking about Christianity since Werpland was referring to the Persians.

[Coulee Croche]

Judaism today doesn't. There most likely was a Jewish sect 2000 years ago that did (see the Book of Wisdom and the Book of Enoch). And in any case, the New Testament is unambiguous.

What chapter and verse in the new testament references fallen angels, I'm not familiar with that.
That's not sarcasm.

2 Peter 2:4 - For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Jude 1:6 - And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling--these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

(there are also some that talk about Satan rather than the plural "angels" as well

[Scyobayrynn]

What chapter and verse in the new testament references fallen angels, I'm not familiar with that.
That's not sarcasm.

2 Peter 2:4 - For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Jude 1:6 - And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling--these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

(there are also some that talk about Satan rather than the plural "angels" as well

Huh. Alrighty.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

2 Peter 2:4 - For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Jude 1:6 - And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling--these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

(there are also some that talk about Satan rather than the plural "angels" as well

Huh. Alrighty.

You could also do a case study of Genesis 6

[Tarsonis Survivors]

No it didn't. The Christian view cannot adequately be called dualism.

Nor could my post have been talking about Christianity since Werpland was referring to the Persians.

My mistake

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Questions such as?

Wither or not certain Christian faiths are man-made, since they don't equate with certain Jewish roots.

Not at all.

[Diopolis]

Questions such as?

Wither or not certain Christian faiths are man-made, since they don't equate with certain Jewish roots.

Not being jewish /= manmade.

[Luminesa]

Are hebrew roots, by virtue of being divinely inspired, not to be considered man made? I wouldn't have assumed that. Couldn't God have just brought about hebrew culture through men?

I don't know. To be honest I've been going through an agnostic 'phase' lately.

Whatcha mean by 'phase'? Just curious.