Opinions on the United Kingdom

[Vassenor]

And the Americans were going in to stop the regime from trading its oil for Euros rather than Dollars.

[Laanvia]

Yes. And yet I still support it because people were no longer oppressed by dictators.

For example, the people asked for support in Libya: they got it. Gaddafi, a tyrant, was killed. He deserved it. Gaddafi was terrible.


Also, Saddam didn't deserve it anymore than any other dictator. It was that people were oppressed who deserved freedom.

I support it when its done right. But the West hasn't had a good track record in the new millennium. And the belief we can just topple dictators and oppression will simply disappear is part of the problem.

The reason we chose Saddam was because he appeared easy. He had no backers, no actual nuclear WMDs, no powerful army. It was also done to appear strong with the US. And so Blair allowed himself to be misled. And look what happened. Is that really the war you support?

Do you feel the people have gotten freedom?

Frankly, I'm beginning to agree with what you're saying.

But yes, the people had gotten freedom. At first. Then ISIS and all their lapdog groups came along. Mosul for example. I can't try and say that people their are free under the wrath of the evil, despicable Islamic State.

[Aelex]

This cartoon quite show my opinion of U.K
I hate it as much as I love it.

[Caltarania]

I love our people and our diversity, bloody hate our MPs.

[Imperializt Russia]

The reason we chose Saddam was because he appeared easy. He had no backers, no actual nuclear WMDs, no powerful army. It was also done to appear strong with the US. And so Blair allowed himself to be misled. And look what happened. Is that really the war you support?

Saddam was deposed because he was an unstable dictator. He was a threat to Israel and the Kurds and coalition military operations were ongoing between 1991 and 2003 to defend the Kurds and keep Iraq's capability low.

The west isn't Russia, we don't need to fight wars just to look tough.

[The Huskar Social Union]

This cartoon quite show my opinion of U.K
I hate it as much as I love it.

That was pretty cool.

[Ostroeuropa]

10/10
It's Shit.

The occupants of the UK are better.
We're currently going through our periodic stage of realizing all of our political class are awful people and getting exasperated about it before begrudgingly voting for the least worst party.
It's a good time to get Brits to admit our country is terrible.

[Bungle]

I like the country overall, but recent governments have been gradually eroding away our civil liberties in the name of counter-terrorism. So I probably disagree with you completely on the future of our country. Iraq and Libya have come out in a worse state as a result of our intervention.

[Valaran]

I support it when its done right. But the West hasn't had a good track record in the new millennium. And the belief we can just topple dictators and oppression will simply disappear is part of the problem.

The reason we chose Saddam was because he appeared easy. He had no backers, no actual nuclear WMDs, no powerful army. It was also done to appear strong with the US. And so Blair allowed himself to be misled. And look what happened. Is that really the war you support?

Do you feel the people have gotten freedom?

Frankly, I'm beginning to agree with what you're saying.

But yes, the people had gotten freedom. At first. Then ISIS and all their lapdog groups came along. Mosul for example. I can't try and say that people their are free under the wrath of the evil, despicable Islamic State.

Thanks; that's a rarity in NSG

I wold have supported the war if we went in the right reasons (ie not the ones outlined in my post above), namely, we went in the for the Kurds and other oppressed groups rather than a facade of a WMD scare. And if it was conducted in the right way, which it wasn't until the surge.

Hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but I was also too young at the time to comprehend the events... so I can afford a moral pulpit to castigate those who gave the order (until the next war, that is).

But you have to consider why IS got so far. Because even before them, freedom was only partial. For the early occupation, there wasn't much freedom, with so many bombings, conflicts and so forth. Secondly, freedom was selective; the Kurds gained freedom, as did the Shias. But the Sunnis? They were cast out of Maliki's govt, rejected at every turn by him. Its no wonder many turned to IS. And even the Kurds were beset by Maliki, and then by IS, while the Shia parts of Baghdad live in constant fear of bombings.

The freedom.... I don't think its present enough to justify the mistakes in the invasion.

[Vilatania]

The UK needs to take the colonies back over and reinstate crown authority.

[Valaran]

The reason we chose Saddam was because he appeared easy. He had no backers, no actual nuclear WMDs, no powerful army. It was also done to appear strong with the US. And so Blair allowed himself to be misled. And look what happened. Is that really the war you support?

Saddam was deposed because he was an unstable dictator. He was a threat to Israel and the Kurds and coalition military operations were ongoing between 1991 and 2003 to defend the Kurds and keep Iraq's capability low.

The west isn't Russia, we don't need to fight wars just to look tough.

He wasn't that unstable, or we would have deposed him earlier (post 1991). Or the Shia uprisings would have.

We had those operations to defend the Kurds, but it was hardly enough. (ironically the invasion was more effective in this regard)

And degrading weapons doesn't remove his capacity to murder his own populace, and also had reduced him as an unstable threat prior to 2003.

Anyway my point wasn't that we deposed him for being a brutal dictator, but this view was also combined a lot less savoury reasons in order to sweeten the invasion to the public, and to appeal to what should have been non-related factors, such as the American alliance and so forth. Yeah all wars have these reasons, but these were given far too much importance. Hence the public's current feeling of betrayal.

[Devvo Mate]

I was born in the UK in 2001

Oooh I don't like this, I know NSG is young but this is scary.

[Calimera II]

Most Brits are really kind. However, I dislike Britain's neo-colonial attitude.

[Vassenor]

However, I dislike Britain's neo-colonial attitude.

Which would be what?

[Laanvia]

I was born in the UK in 2001

Oooh I don't like this, I know NSG is young but this is scary.

In what way is me being born in 2001 "scary"?

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Nice place, but as far as I know, either Cameron or Farage won the elections (if they've happened already), and while Cameron is almost okay, excepting his desire to assimilate British security theatre to the same as the US's and his economic policies...Farage is a eurosceptic (implicit) racist and generally more of the same Tory nonsense.

However, I dislike Britain's neo-colonial attitude.

Which would be what?

He's Argentinan. They think that Sheepland is inhabited by cardboard Brits and want all the sheep...

[Vassenor]

Nice place, but as far as I know, either Cameron or Farage won the elections (if they've happened already), and while Cameron is almost okay, excepting his desire to assimilate British security theatre to the same as the US's and his economic policies...Farage is a eurosceptic (implicit) racist and generally more of the same Tory nonsense.

The election is next month. The campaigning has only just gotten started.

[Devvo Mate]

In what way is me being born in 2001 "scary"?

Just a reminder of the fact I'm hurtling towards eternal oblivion. I just find it bizarre that I'm talking to someone who was born in a different Millenium to me and can't remember 9/11 or the 2002 World Cup.

[Vassenor]

In what way is me being born in 2001 "scary"?

Just a reminder of the fact I'm hurtling towards eternal oblivion. I just find it bizarre that I'm talking to someone who was born in a different Millenium to me and can't remember 9/11 or the 2002 World Cup.

I was born in the early 90s and I can barely remember either of those.

[Devvo Mate]

Nice place, but as far as I know, either Cameron or Farage won the elections (if they've happened already)

You don't know very far at all. Why not just do a simple google next time before you make yourself look thick?

[Laanvia]

In what way is me being born in 2001 "scary"?

Just a reminder of the fact I'm hurtling towards eternal oblivion. I just find it bizarre that I'm talking to someone who was born in a different Millenium to me and can't remember 9/11 or the 2002 World Cup.

Fair enough.

[Chartist Socialist Republics]

I do love the country. I detest it's political institutions and system.

[Val Halla]

Terrible weather, mostly terrible people, terrible cities, terrible policies... Nice countryside though.

[Laanvia]

Terrible weather, mostly terrible people, terrible cities, terrible policies... Nice countryside though.

1. Terrible weather: Agreed.
2. Mostly Terrible People: Disagreed. That's disrespectful.
3. Terrible Cities: Disagree. Although rather rough and industrial looking, our cities aren't terrible.
4. Nice countryside: Agreed.

[Val Halla]

Terrible weather, mostly terrible people, terrible cities, terrible policies... Nice countryside though.

1. Terrible weather: Agreed.
2. Mostly Terrible People: Disagreed. That's disrespectful.
3. Terrible Cities: Disagree. Although rather rough and industrial looking, our cities aren't terrible.
4. Nice countryside: Agreed.

I may have bias on the people; the two places I've lived has had horrible people. But most cities aren't very good. Lincoln, York and Leeds are a few exceptions.