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Postby Quintium » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:19 pm

L Ron Cupboard wrote:
Quintium wrote:They're following in the footsteps of their prophet and his successors.


Deplorable though it is, it is not exactly a uniquely Islamic habit though is it?


In this day and age, it seems to be. That's what matters. We're not talking about a thousand years ago, when most people wouldn't venture outside of their own region and most people in the world couldn't read. We're talking about the year 2015 (or, in the islamic calendar, 1436). Men have walked on the moon. We've started to explore the deepest reaches of our oceans with unmanned vehicles. We can see our own planet using cameras in space. Ordinary people can look up millions upon millions of historical documents without leaving their desk. We are in the early stages of turning people into cyborgs. Then why does one specific religious group still adhere very strongly to superstitions? Why do we still have relatively important scholars in one part of the world arguing for geocentrism?

I live in an area where nearly every household has at least one car, and a flat-screen television, and several smartphones. Where internet speeds are among the highest in the world. Where you can't travel by car for more than one hour without coming across a university. And yet we have Muslims who hide mentally ill children from health care professionals because they've chosen to put their faith in exorcisms. We have about one quarter of marriages in our two largest Muslim groups taking place between cousins. We have demands from Muslims that paintings and advertisements in public places be taken down because they are offensive for featuring nudity, pigs or dogs. Some time ago, a public broadcaster had to edit a popular children's cartoon about puppies because it appeared as though the Arabic word for 'Allah' appeared as a fish grate in a pile of garbage. What is deplorable is that self-proclaimed progressives are cheering on regression. In the 1970s, a political party put up a poster featuring full, frontal female nudity. A year ago, perhaps two, an advertisement was covered up with garbage bags and a note saying 'there is no god but Allah, and Muhammed is his messenger' because it featured too much leg.
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:03 pm

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Deplorable though it is, it is not exactly a uniquely Islamic habit though is it?


In this day and age, it seems to be. That's what matters.


No it doesn't seem to be that way, it is the same as in any age, groups try to edit the past to reflect a history they want it to show.
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Postby Kubra » Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:24 pm

Quintium wrote:
L Ron Cupboard wrote:
Deplorable though it is, it is not exactly a uniquely Islamic habit though is it?


In this day and age, it seems to be. That's what matters. We're not talking about a thousand years ago, when most people wouldn't venture outside of their own region and most people in the world couldn't read. We're talking about the year 2015 (or, in the islamic calendar, 1436). Men have walked on the moon. We've started to explore the deepest reaches of our oceans with unmanned vehicles. We can see our own planet using cameras in space. Ordinary people can look up millions upon millions of historical documents without leaving their desk. We are in the early stages of turning people into cyborgs. Then why does one specific religious group still adhere very strongly to superstitions? Why do we still have relatively important scholars in one part of the world arguing for geocentrism?

I live in an area where nearly every household has at least one car, and a flat-screen television, and several smartphones. Where internet speeds are among the highest in the world. Where you can't travel by car for more than one hour without coming across a university. And yet we have Muslims who hide mentally ill children from health care professionals because they've chosen to put their faith in exorcisms. We have about one quarter of marriages in our two largest Muslim groups taking place between cousins. We have demands from Muslims that paintings and advertisements in public places be taken down because they are offensive for featuring nudity, pigs or dogs. Some time ago, a public broadcaster had to edit a popular children's cartoon about puppies because it appeared as though the Arabic word for 'Allah' appeared as a fish grate in a pile of garbage. What is deplorable is that self-proclaimed progressives are cheering on regression. In the 1970s, a political party put up a poster featuring full, frontal female nudity. A year ago, perhaps two, an advertisement was covered up with garbage bags and a note saying 'there is no god but Allah, and Muhammed is his messenger' because it featured too much leg.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:27 pm

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In this day and age, it seems to be. That's what matters.


No it doesn't seem to be that way, it is the same as in any age, groups try to edit the past to reflect a history they want it to show.

Why are you trying to reason with an Islamophobe?
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Postby Tigeria » Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:33 pm

The Middle East holds some of the most acient human artifacts ranging from art to the invention of writing and I am extremely disapointed that these lunatics are still running around... We need to stop radical islamic terrorism.
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Postby McNernia » Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:35 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I'm dismayed, angry, sad, helpless, surprised and at the same time, not so surprised ISIS is doing this. I wish I knew a sure way to stop these fuckwads.

Feel much the same. One solution. Dont support the Governments of the West that send these people arms.
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Postby Quintium » Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:48 pm

L Ron Cupboard wrote:No it doesn't seem to be that way, it is the same as in any age, groups try to edit the past to reflect a history they want it to show.


You are attributing to them views that are not theirs. Their primary aim is not historical revisionism. It is to smash any and all figures that represent something, because their prophet did the same. And a good Muslim is one who follows the example of Muhammed in all things, regardless of his or her own moral objections to that. And yes, that includes waging war and smashing idols, although the rape of children is considered optional.

Scomagia wrote:Why are you trying to reason with an Islamophobe?


Because, considering recent and current trends and threats from the islamic world, 'islamophobia' is the only reasonable position.
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Postby Perlaraja » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:58 am

Quintium wrote:
L Ron Cupboard wrote:No it doesn't seem to be that way, it is the same as in any age, groups try to edit the past to reflect a history they want it to show.


You are attributing to them views that are not theirs. Their primary aim is not historical revisionism. It is to smash any and all figures that represent something, because their prophet did the same. And a good Muslim is one who follows the example of Muhammed in all things, regardless of his or her own moral objections to that. And yes, that includes waging war and smashing idols, although the rape of children is considered optional.

Scomagia wrote:Why are you trying to reason with an Islamophobe?


Because, considering recent and current trends and threats from the islamic world, 'islamophobia' is the only reasonable position.

Thus creating a large cultural divide and mutual alienation similar to that of pre-crusader eras.

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Postby The Third Nova Terra of Scrin » Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:55 am

Islamic extremism in its best.

And, while ISIS is busy destroying Islamic sites in Syria and Iraq, meanwhile, this Islamist wants to destroy the Pyramids and the Great Sphinx = http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/pyramids-sphinx-destruction-murgan-salem-al-gohary-egyptian-jihadist_n_2121446.html
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Postby Victoriala » Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:25 am

The Third Nova Terra of Scrin wrote:Islamic extremism in its best.

And, while ISIS is busy destroying Islamic sites in Syria and Iraq, meanwhile, this Islamist wants to destroy the Pyramids and the Great Sphinx = http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/pyramids-sphinx-destruction-murgan-salem-al-gohary-egyptian-jihadist_n_2121446.html

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Postby Libacur » Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:29 am

The fact they're destroying what used to be Babylon and Assyria pisses me off, they're two places I would've loved to visit, but sadly they'll be destroyed.
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Postby Blakullar » Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:43 am

As someone with a deep passion for history, the fact that ISIS are doing this most certainly is disturbing as well as depressing.

But if anyone here really thinks that ISIS are Muslim, you are catastrophically mistaken. Muslims don't destroy cultural heritage sites, throw gays off of buildings, burn PoWs alive, gas Iraqi troops and wage genocide against ethnic minorities. ISIS are savages and barbarians using Islam as an excuse for the sociopathic bastards they have the gall to call jihadists to murder, rob and rape for their own sake, and I feel so sorry for the actual Muslims that get scapegoated as a result.
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:32 am

Quintium wrote:
You are attributing to them views that are not theirs.


You are the last person I would believe on what is going on in the minds of ISIS members.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:02 pm

The Third Nova Terra of Scrin wrote:Islamic extremism in its best.

And, while ISIS is busy destroying Islamic sites in Syria and Iraq, meanwhile, this Islamist wants to destroy the Pyramids and the Great Sphinx = http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/pyramids-sphinx-destruction-murgan-salem-al-gohary-egyptian-jihadist_n_2121446.html


Wasn't the Sphynx at one point damaged by Muslims? Like they took off the nose or something?
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:03 pm

The Germans did the same thing with artifacts.
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Postby Whiteshore » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:38 pm

This is why ISIL must be eradicated and their soldiers shown no mercy, for they show their prisoners none.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:40 pm

Whiteshore wrote:This is why ISIL must be eradicated and their soldiers shown no mercy, for they show their prisoners none.


So we should be like them? I don't think that's the direction we should be going in.

Let them rot in the justice system.
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Postby Whiteshore » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:43 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Whiteshore wrote:This is why ISIL must be eradicated and their soldiers shown no mercy, for they show their prisoners none.


So we should be like them? I don't think that's the direction we should be going in.

Let them rot in the justice system.

I am not suggesting we kill every last ISIL member but we should try their leaders for crimes against humanity and deliberate destruction of cultural heritage.
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Postby Alyakia » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:44 pm

Whiteshore wrote:This is why ISIL must be eradicated and their soldiers shown no mercy, for they show their prisoners none.


what's the point in having morals if you just throw them away the minute someone less moral than you shows up

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So we should be like them? I don't think that's the direction we should be going in.

Let them rot in the justice system.

I am not suggesting we kill every last ISIL member but we should try their leaders for crimes against humanity and deliberate destruction of cultural heritage.


oh well you should have just said that in the first place because it sounds nothing like what your first post did
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Postby Seaxeland » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:55 pm

The Assyrians were a great people, powerful and influential at their zenith, a true example of a great civilization brought to almost near extermination, and yet has managed to persistently survive to this very day and age, albeit not as influential as they once were.

The destruction of the great legacy they and their magnificent states have left is an insult to said legacy, with existing examples of their culture and history already sparse, further destruction of such treasures would be a tragedy for all mankind. The Assyrians, their ancestors, and their historical legacy deserve better than to be exterminated by this unrecognized, illegal, so-called "Islamic" terrorist state. If they are not destroyed soon, we may see more ethnic and cultural genocide the likes of which will rival that of the Nazis' attempts.

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