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Should there be a Palestinian state?

Yes
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35%
No
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Yes, but not through Hamas
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Total votes : 362

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Alyakia
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Postby Alyakia » Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:21 pm

Dolanica wrote:
Dolanica wrote:when i said the bible, I meant as far as they both have religious ties to the area

and how so?


oh well then, so do christians.

if that was about the land, then settlements.
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Postby Kubra » Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:38 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
1) half of palestine has stopped attacking, period
2) the other half hasn't attacked at all this year that i know of. probably another of those ceasefires. the last one lasted for like 1-2 years or something ridiclous like that.
3) in spite of this, israel continues to build illegal settlements. this happens in the half that has stopped attacking period. literally the entire world except israel agrees this is wrong, but israel keeps doing it specifically to fuck up the peace process and spit in the face of their allies and the world at large.


Hasn't attacked this year? Aww, should we give Palestine a pat on the back for not attacking Israel within the last year? Should we give them a bloody medal?

Kubra wrote: what is a "rightful state"?
What defines right to territory?


Israel has controlled the land for nearly six decades and has even taken more land due to conflict (which they actually gave back once said conflicts ended). Israel owns it, end of story. If Palestine wanted to, they should and do try to do it diplomatically. However since it's Israel's legal right to refuse, they shouldn't throw a tantrum when they are refused.
Uhh last I checked Israel hasn't controlled Gaza nor the West Bank for "nearly six decades".
And last I checked, Israel has not controlled Gaza, and gave back the West Bank (sorta cedes their right to it, innit?).

Alyakia wrote:
Dolanica wrote:It makes me so happy to see so many people come out in support of Israel.


someone needs to stand up for the little guy that has the most powerful force in human history on their side

mainly because they'll probably get dropped if they keep acting like ungrateful brats
dude you're seriously overrating the IDF
They're the most competent force in a region full of idiots or poor people or both. That don't mean they're powerful
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Postby Dragonir » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:29 am

Benian Republic wrote:The west is to blame for a lot of the horrible things that have happened in the world.

Lol

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Postby Alsheb » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:36 am

British Home Counties wrote:Amnesty International declares Hamas' missile strikes as war crimes. They were inherently indiscriminate as they had no aim but were launched at will to whoever they are able to hit.


It's called war crimes now because they indiscriminately hit heaps of sand in the southern Israeli desert?
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Postby Kernen » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:57 am

Alsheb wrote:
British Home Counties wrote:Amnesty International declares Hamas' missile strikes as war crimes. They were inherently indiscriminate as they had no aim but were launched at will to whoever they are able to hit.


It's called war crimes now because they indiscriminately hit heaps of sand in the southern Israeli desert?

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Postby United Prefectures of Appia » Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:31 pm

You forgot to add one more item to the poll listing:

4. Yes, but not through Netanyahu
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Postby Calenhardon » Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:30 pm

Alsheb wrote:
British Home Counties wrote:Amnesty International declares Hamas' missile strikes as war crimes. They were inherently indiscriminate as they had no aim but were launched at will to whoever they are able to hit.


It's called war crimes now because they indiscriminately hit heaps of sand in the southern Israeli desert?


Trying to blow children up is a war crime, yes. That Hamas really, really sucks at it is not an excuse.
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Postby Kubra » Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:32 pm

Alsheb wrote:
British Home Counties wrote:Amnesty International declares Hamas' missile strikes as war crimes. They were inherently indiscriminate as they had no aim but were launched at will to whoever they are able to hit.


It's called war crimes now because they indiscriminately hit heaps of sand in the southern Israeli desert?
Every now and then they really do hit people, bruh.
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Postby Neu California » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:31 pm

The International Federation for Human Rights says that Israel commited war crimes during their attack on Gaza last year.

They also condemned Hamas for use of human shields and firing rockets into Israel.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:48 pm

Alsheb wrote:
British Home Counties wrote:Amnesty International declares Hamas' missile strikes as war crimes. They were inherently indiscriminate as they had no aim but were launched at will to whoever they are able to hit.


It's called war crimes now because they indiscriminately hit heaps of sand in the southern Israeli desert?

Those definitely kill people.

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Postby Geilinor » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:54 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Roski wrote:
I haven't seen the video so I can't say I sway in either direction.

But you haven't answered the question.


You're pretty much saying Ray Rice had the right to knock his fiancee out.

Did his fiancee assault him?
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:08 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
You're pretty much saying Ray Rice had the right to knock his fiancee out.

Did his fiancee assault him?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbwTMJroTbI

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Postby Benian Republic » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:09 pm

Calenhardon wrote:
Alsheb wrote:
It's called war crimes now because they indiscriminately hit heaps of sand in the southern Israeli desert?


Trying to blow children up is a war crime, yes. That Hamas really, really sucks at it is not an excuse.

Well if the Israelis just left those children wouldn't have died.
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Postby Alyakia » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:14 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Calenhardon wrote:
Trying to blow children up is a war crime, yes. That Hamas really, really sucks at it is not an excuse.

Well if the Israelis just left those children wouldn't have died.


is it funny if people will say that's unreasonable but this is literally their exact verbatim defence of israel
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Postby Benian Republic » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:16 pm

Alyakia wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:Well if the Israelis just left those children wouldn't have died.


is it funny if people will say that's unreasonable but this is literally their exact verbatim defence of israel

But im using it for my argument.
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Postby British Home Counties » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:45 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Calenhardon wrote:
Trying to blow children up is a war crime, yes. That Hamas really, really sucks at it is not an excuse.

Well if the Israelis just left those children wouldn't have died.


maybe those children should have clicked on another country when they spawned

casualty of war. they were held hostage by hamas who launched rockets hiding behind them. good? no. understandable? yes. is israel doing things to improve this by lowering under 16 deaths? yes.
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Postby Angleter » Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:27 pm

Alyakia wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:Well if the Israelis just left those children wouldn't have died.


is it funny if people will say that's unreasonable but this is literally their exact verbatim defence of israel


I can imagine the Hamas warning leaflets now.

"Dear Zionist Colonial Occupier,

Many dwellings in 'your' area, Sderot, have been identified by the Izz-ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades as having Jews within them. In order to make 'your' area free of Jews, the Brigades will be conducting operations in 'your' area over the next few days. We implore you to leave and go somewhere else to avoid being harmed in these operations, and suggest you seek alternative accommodation under the sea. We are unable to provide you with a time when you may return to 'your' area, since there will be no such time.

Kind regards,
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:34 pm

Neu California wrote:The International Federation for Human Rights says that Israel commited war crimes during their attack on Gaza last year.

They also condemned Hamas for use of human shields and firing rockets into Israel.


Sounds about right.

It also sounds like a "Does God Exist" NSG thread after the mods are done with it. :lol:
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Postby Seraven » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:27 am

United Prefectures of Appia wrote:You forgot to add one more item to the poll listing:

4. Yes, but not through Netanyahu


It's not an option anymore. I mean, Netanyahu was elected. Again.
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Postby Vilatania » Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:04 am

Wouldn't it just be easier if we gave Israel to Palestine?
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Postby British Home Counties » Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:37 am

Vilatania wrote:Wouldn't it just be easier if we gave Israel to Palestine?


It is certainly much easier to give Palestine to Israel. There's no armed opposition.
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Postby Vilatania » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:13 am

British Home Counties wrote:
Vilatania wrote:Wouldn't it just be easier if we gave Israel to Palestine?


It is certainly much easier to give Palestine to Israel. There's no armed opposition.
But the benefits to the entire world wouldn't be nearly as great as Israel no longer existing as an independent state.
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Postby British Home Counties » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:23 am

Vilatania wrote:
British Home Counties wrote:
It is certainly much easier to give Palestine to Israel. There's no armed opposition.
But the benefits to the entire world wouldn't be nearly as great as Israel no longer existing as an independent state.


I think the benefits of a colonized Middle East would be better. No 9/11, no 7/7. I mean, Israel has done literally nothing bad to the West, ever.
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Postby Gauthier » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:19 am

British Home Counties wrote:
Vilatania wrote:But the benefits to the entire world wouldn't be nearly as great as Israel no longer existing as an independent state.


I think the benefits of a colonized Middle East would be better. No 9/11, no 7/7. I mean, Israel has done literally nothing bad to the West, ever.


The USS Liberty was in fact a good thing!

Recolonized Middle East? And they say White Man's Burden was just a poem...
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Postby Zorbae » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:31 pm

British Home Counties wrote:I think the benefits of a colonized Middle East would be better.

Lets take a minute to appreciate this. Jesus, Mary and Joseph, what the hell is this?
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