What is your personal stance on the United states

[Yuketobaniac]

But at the end of the day, we have the best culture of all.

*sniffs*

American.

That's not how you spell Irish.

Everyone should know how to spell Irish.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

I'm American and I think we lack culture (except maybe the South)

I live in Britain and people always say that America 'has no culture' or 'has no history', but to be quite honest America is far more in touch with it's traditions than anyone in Britain. Americans for example, actually celebrate the fourth of July. I enjoy being in the States on the fourth of July because I find the genuine expression of patriotism and national feeling to be quite touching, not to mention exotic since it is entirely absent from modern Britain. The UK has a longer and richer history and culture to celebrate, yet it doesn't. The great figures of American history like the founding fathers, Lincoln and Davis and so on are still remembered to this day, revered and celebrated. The countless heroes of British history have been recast as evil imperialist oppressors and consigned to shame, ignominy, and obscurity.

The UK has no official "national day" on a par with the Fourth of July; that could be one reason for the disparity. Although I'm surprised to learn that British historical figures like Elizabeth I and William the Conqueror are reviled there today. Personally I find them fascinating.

Also, it's Thomas Jefferson we revere, not Jefferson Davis.

[The Two Jerseys]

Also, it's Thomas Jefferson we revere, not Jefferson Davis.

Some states do tend to revere both.

[Napkiraly]

Also, it's Thomas Jefferson we revere, not Jefferson Davis.

Some states do tend to revere both.

Sadly none worship the greatest of them all.


Teddy Motherfucking Roosevelt.

[Olivaero]

I live in Britain and people always say that America 'has no culture' or 'has no history', but to be quite honest America is far more in touch with it's traditions than anyone in Britain. Americans for example, actually celebrate the fourth of July. I enjoy being in the States on the fourth of July because I find the genuine expression of patriotism and national feeling to be quite touching, not to mention exotic since it is entirely absent from modern Britain. The UK has a longer and richer history and culture to celebrate, yet it doesn't. The great figures of American history like the founding fathers, Lincoln and Davis and so on are still remembered to this day, revered and celebrated. The countless heroes of British history have been recast as evil imperialist oppressors and consigned to shame, ignominy, and obscurity.

The UK has no official "national day" on a par with the Fourth of July; that could be one reason for the disparity. Although I'm surprised to learn that British historical figures like Elizabeth I and William the Conqueror are reviled there today. Personally I find them fascinating.

Also, it's Thomas Jefferson we revere, not Jefferson Davis.

William the Bastard should absolutely be reviled today.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Also, it's Thomas Jefferson we revere, not Jefferson Davis.

Some states do tend to revere both.

I thought Robert E. Lee was the hero of the Confederacy? All Jefferson Davis did was destroy it, practically single-handedly.

[Naushantiya]

If you look at it historically, Indo-American relations have been typically strained. Nixon and his crony Kissinger sent Task Force 74 in order to neutralize our carrier in 71. The Americans have typically acted against us and I do not see America as a natural ally of India. Those countries in Asia that have typically allied with the Americans are generally have faced instability. I don't see the west in a positive light, I think our approach towards this cunning superpower should be that of caution. We need to be cautious in our dealings with the Americans. However, since we now live in the uni-polar world and I think it would be foolish of us to maintain cold relations with America. I think we should boost trade and get their trade but should not give them, what they actually want and lust for, that is control over the natural resources of this country. I also think it was right of us, not accept bush's offer and not join the war in Iraq, Nor should we sign the logistics support agreement (LSA). So my personal stance on America is that I would favor good relations with America but on our terms. As for as the Americans are concerned, we need to proceed with caution and most importantly on advantageous or equal terms and at no cost should we get drawn in their wars.

[The Two Jerseys]

Some states do tend to revere both.

I thought Robert E. Lee was the hero of the Confederacy? All Jefferson Davis did was destroy it, practically single-handedly.

There's a Jefferson Davis Highway in Richmond.

[Wisconsin9]

Some states do tend to revere both.

I thought Robert E. Lee was the hero of the Confederacy? All Jefferson Davis did was destroy it, practically single-handedly.

I lived in Virginia for what is still technically the majority of my life and I never saw either one revered.

[Aelex]

Maybe because they usually are, in fact, evil imperialist oppressors.

The ones that weren't oppressive, like Wilberforce or Attlee or even Churchill (no matter how much I dislike the man for his imperialism, he did do a good one with punching Hitler in the nuts), haven't been consigned to shame and ignominy. Maybe there's a reason.

I won't go about how much U.S.A greats figures are evil imperialist oppressors too, but it's quite "normal" that most of the great men of a country which had been on the top 5 of the greatest power (even if it fell from it to be only on the top 10 lately) are not the cleanest/kindest men of the world, because, my dear: Power is always dirty.

[Aelex]

William the Bastard should absolutely be reviled today.

Guillaume le Bâtard was quite an opportunist and wasn't sucha great leader/tactician/politician; he just did like Pompeus by letting the other do all the hard work, coming behind to finish the job and take all the glory to himself...

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

I thought Robert E. Lee was the hero of the Confederacy? All Jefferson Davis did was destroy it, practically single-handedly.

There's a Jefferson Davis Highway in Richmond.

There's Ronald Reagan freeway in Los Angeles - but most losangelinos hated his guts!

[Galloism]

You missed a golden opportunity to have "America! Fuck yeah!" as one of the poll options.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Some states do tend to revere both.

Sadly none worship the greatest of them all.


Teddy Motherfucking Roosevelt.

He split the Continents in the name of trade.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

There's a Jefferson Davis Highway in Richmond.

There's Ronald Reagan freeway in Los Angeles - but most losangelinos hated his guts!

Meh, the Filipinos saw him as a hypocrite... But to be fair after People Power he sort of became favoured(ish) in the Phils.

[Napkiraly]

Sadly none worship the greatest of them all.


Teddy Motherfucking Roosevelt.

He split the Continents in the name of trade.

So? The Panama Canal means ships no longer have to circumvent South America if they want to get to the western side of the Americas. It's cut down transport time immensely which helps trade flourish more. If anything, Teddy ensuring it was completed is another bonus on his record.

[Wisconsin9]

Sadly none worship the greatest of them all.


Teddy Motherfucking Roosevelt.

He split the Continents in the name of trade.

Truly, 'tis proof that he was as a god among men.

[Napkiraly]

He split the Continents in the name of trade.

Truly, 'tis proof that he was as a god among men.

I'm pretty sure Teddy was Herakles reincarnated.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

He split the Continents in the name of trade.

So? The Panama Canal means ships no longer have to circumvent South America if they want to get to the western side of the Americas. It's cut down transport time immensely which helps trade flourish more. If anything, Teddy ensuring it was completed is another bonus on his record.

I never said it was wrong.

[Yuketobaniac]

The UN should send peacekeeping forces into Palestinian villages, to protect them against the depredations of the Likud.

is this relivent with the forum.

[Aelex]

The UN should send peacekeeping forces into Palestinian villages, to protect them against the depredations of the Likud.

is this relivent with the forum.

No, just another Israel's hater...

[Napkiraly]

I'm American and I think we lack culture (except maybe the South)

I live in Britain and people always say that America 'has no culture' or 'has no history', but to be quite honest America is far more in touch with it's traditions than anyone in Britain. Americans for example, actually celebrate the fourth of July. I enjoy being in the States on the fourth of July because I find the genuine expression of patriotism and national feeling to be quite touching, not to mention exotic since it is entirely absent from modern Britain. The UK has a longer and richer history and culture to celebrate, yet it doesn't. The great figures of American history like the founding fathers, Lincoln and Davis and so on are still remembered to this day, revered and celebrated. The countless heroes of British history have been recast as evil imperialist oppressors and consigned to shame, ignominy, and obscurity.

I dunno man, I saw a lot of St. George's flags every year I've been here. I doubt it'll be different this year.

[Yuketobaniac]

is this relivent with the forum.

No, just another Israel's hater...

Seems legit.

[Xmara]

Coming from an American who has lived her entire life in the US, it has pros and cons:

Pros:
-One of the most free nations in the world
-Not a battlefield right now (unlike the Middle East)
-One of the most powerful nations in the world
-One of the most technologically advanced nations in the world

Cons:
-Materialism
-Obesity
-Hedonism
-Political corruption
-Focuses too much on petty issues *cough*deflategate*cough*

[Holy Prospero]

I live in Britain and people always say that America 'has no culture' or 'has no history', but to be quite honest America is far more in touch with it's traditions than anyone in Britain. Americans for example, actually celebrate the fourth of July. I enjoy being in the States on the fourth of July because I find the genuine expression of patriotism and national feeling to be quite touching, not to mention exotic since it is entirely absent from modern Britain. The UK has a longer and richer history and culture to celebrate, yet it doesn't. The great figures of American history like the founding fathers, Lincoln and Davis and so on are still remembered to this day, revered and celebrated. The countless heroes of British history have been recast as evil imperialist oppressors and consigned to shame, ignominy, and obscurity.

Maybe because they usually are, in fact, evil imperialist oppressors.

The ones that weren't oppressive, like Wilberforce or Attlee or even Churchill (no matter how much I dislike the man for his imperialism, he did do a good one with punching Hitler in the nuts), haven't been consigned to shame and ignominy. Maybe there's a reason.

It's disingenuous to judge historical persons as 'evil imperialist oppressors' when we know our liberal values have only really existed for less than a hundred years (of course liberalism itself is older than that, but it's not the same as modern liberalism). For the vast majority of human history, empires and emperors have conquered and oppressed and enslaved, but they did so under the value systems of their age.

We don't call Genghis Khan, despotic ruler of millions, or Sundiata Keita, warlord and tyrant of 13th Century West Africa, 'evil imperialist oppressors' because the things they did such as pillaging cities and slaughtering women and children was just business as usual for most of history.

Therefore why do we judge more harshly than the rest, Robert Clive for his wars in India, or Cecil Rhodes for his exploitation in Africa?