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Do you like America?

Poll ended at Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:23 pm

I love america!
238
48%
i like it but not my fav
138
28%
Nah
125
25%
 
Total votes : 501

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Postby Aelex » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:04 pm

Scepez wrote:Which is obviously a bad thing. It should be an official language, because the French stole the land from the Bretons. Gee, sounds familiar?

Well, the briton stole the lands first, it was gallic/latin lands before they conquer it; and Brittany was rattached peacefully to France and melted slowly in it during 400 years. (Plus, no Briton genocid :p )
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Postby Unilateral rhodesia » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:04 pm

this the land where i was born however i wish that we had supported Ian Smith's regime along with the serbs in the 1990s 8)

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Postby Aelex » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:06 pm

Scepez wrote:I'm not sure if independence is a good option, but greater autonomy is definitely something that should happen.

A corsican autonomic gestion may happen; not an Briton's one.
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Postby Dakini » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:08 pm

Crimiea wrote:
Dakini wrote:I've never been to In-n-Out Burger. Given their apparent lack of veggie burgers, I probably wouldn't go.

I only mentioned Harvey's because Infected Mushroom is Canadian and this is a vastly superior option that you can find in Canada.


That's probably because it's absolute garbage.


Isn't the grilled cheese a cheaper vegetarian option?

Why would I go to a burger place to get a grilled cheese sandwich?

Or you can buy a veggie burger from Burger King, place it in an In n Out wrapper, go to In n Out, buy Animal Style fries, and dine at In n Out? Muahahaha

I'm not sure why I would do those things. While Burger King has reasonably good veggie burgers, if I was going there, I'd just order fries from Burger King instead of making an additional trip to a place that considers a "veggie burger" to be nothing but vegetables inside a bun without a patty (because apparently In-n-Out burger is run by assholes).
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:08 pm

Aelex wrote:
Scepez wrote:Which is obviously a bad thing. It should be an official language, because the French stole the land from the Bretons. Gee, sounds familiar?

Well, the briton stole the lands first, it was gallic/latin lands before they conquer it; and Brittany was rattached peacefully to France and melted slowly in it during 400 years. (Plus, no Briton genocid :p )

If you consider that the Gauls spoke a Celtic language, as do the Bretons (although from an entirely different branch), and the French speak a language derived from Latin, then the Bretons were just avenging their Celtic brothers against the Roman invader.

We can always twist nonsense about who stole whose land, or we can live. As ordinary people alongside ordinary people.
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Postby Glorious KASSRD » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:09 pm

Aelex wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. Ralph Waldo Emerson
2. I said "One of the first", not the first. We were the first democracy of modern times though, and the US isn't a complete republic, it's a federal republic.
4. 238 years old(Plus, Uncle Tom's Cabin). Can you even into history?

1) Well, I guess he count even if he don't play on the same league as Rousseau, Descarte or Voltaire...
2)One of the first excluding the countless antic republics, the Middle-Age Italian Republic or the Hanseatic League... So not the first at all...
4)I trace you back to the first English Colony, so, yeah; 400 years...

Well obviously
The English colonies go back 400 years. But we have only been a nation for 200 years.

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Postby Scepez » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:10 pm

Aelex wrote:
Scepez wrote:Which is obviously a bad thing. It should be an official language, because the French stole the land from the Bretons. Gee, sounds familiar?

Well, the briton stole the lands first, it was gallic/latin lands before they conquer it; and Brittany was rattached peacefully to France and melted slowly in it during 400 years. (Plus, no Briton genocid :p )


They didn't conquer it, they migrated there. They were the first to a start their kingdoms there, as there were none before except Roman rule. They fought against Frankish aggression. That all concludes to that they we're annexed forcefully (the Bretons didn't have a choice), which is rather like stealing.
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Postby Braberland » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:11 pm

Nah, don't like them that much, bit arrogant and narcistic.

But, we earn hard cash from them for abusing their mostly stupid population so 10/10 would continue earning hard cash.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:11 pm

Aelex wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. Ralph Waldo Emerson
2. I said "One of the first", not the first. We were the first democracy of modern times though, and the US isn't a complete republic, it's a federal republic.
4. 238 years old(Plus, Uncle Tom's Cabin). Can you even into history?

1) Well, I guess he count even if he don't play on the same league as Rousseau, Descarte or Voltaire...
2)One of the first excluding the countless antic republics, the Middle-Age Italian Republic or the Hanseatic League... So not the first at all...
4)I trace you back to the first English Colony, so, yeah; 400 years...

2. Those weren't as democratic as the US is(Hell, even when the US was founded and only white men could vote, it was still more democratic than those were). They didn't even support the majority, only the rich and powerful had any vote in that. Now, back to cultural achivements you say don't exist: Invention of music like jazz and rock, Hollywood ruling the film industry, the lightbulb, planes, nuclear bomb, nuclear power, video games, Apple, apollo moon landings, Human Genome Project. Just to name a few.
4. And I trace it how everyone else in the world does it, the day independence was declared: July 4th, 1776. So 238 years ago(Almost 239).

Now, can you stop being a European exceptionalist, it's rather annoying(And besides, without the discovery of the New World and Europe's colonialism(Which killed millions), Europe would be like the white peoples middle east(Which Europe made colonies out of and treated the natives worse then America does))
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Postby Holy Prospero » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:13 pm

Braberland wrote:Nah, don't like them that much, bit arrogant and narcistic.

But, we earn hard cash from them for abusing their mostly stupid population so 10/10 would continue earning hard cash.


If being a bit arrogant and narcissistic is the worst America has to offer, then compared to most of the world I'd say they're doing alright.

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Postby New Frenco Empire » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:14 pm

Braberland wrote:Nah, don't like them that much, bit arrogant and narcistic.

But, we earn hard cash from them for abusing their mostly stupid population so 10/10 would continue earning hard cash.

Durka durr. Me so sorry, me dumb american cant comprehend wat u say.

we just sit in corner AND CONTINUE RULING THE FUCKING WORLD. Enjoy our donations. :lol2:
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:14 pm

I am quite frankly afraid of what America is becoming. I'm beginning to doubt the reason-ability of peaceful change to stem the tide of what I would call a growing spectre in the frightfully secretive and seemingly unyielding American super-power. You elected Obama and nothing changed, the Democrats briefly controlled the house and nothing changed. The torture didn't change, the secret killings didn't change, police brutality and degradation of rights, none of it seems to be changing for the good.

Anyways, other than that I like American, many of my friends live there, my nation depends on it for our economy (Canada), you are great allies and close friends. I just fear that won't always be true.
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:15 pm

New Frenco Empire wrote:
Braberland wrote:Nah, don't like them that much, bit arrogant and narcistic.

But, we earn hard cash from them for abusing their mostly stupid population so 10/10 would continue earning hard cash.

Durka durr. Me so sorry, me dumb american cant comprehend wat u say.

we just sit in corner AND CONTINUE RULING THE FUCKING WORLD. Enjoy our donations. :lol2:


i do really hate how this thread is a wee bit of a circlejerk between AMERICA IS GLORIOUS POWURRR and GREAT SATAN DIEEEE
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Postby Aelex » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:18 pm

Scepez wrote:They didn't conquer it, they migrated there. They were the first to a start their kingdoms there, as there were none before except Roman rule. They fought against Frankish aggression. That all concludes to that they we're annexed forcefully (the Bretons didn't have a choice), which is rather like stealing.

They migrated, killing the inhabitants. And, no; the annexion of Britain which happened along the marriage of Anne de Bretagne to Charles VIII and then, later, to Louis XIII was peaceful.
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:18 pm

Arglorand wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:Durka durr. Me so sorry, me dumb american cant comprehend wat u say.

we just sit in corner AND CONTINUE RULING THE FUCKING WORLD. Enjoy our donations. :lol2:


i do really hate how this thread is a wee bit of a circlejerk between AMERICA IS GLORIOUS POWURRR and GREAT SATAN DIEEEE

We're arrogant and "narcistic". I have to deliver.
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Postby Glorious KASSRD » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:18 pm

Arglorand wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:Durka durr. Me so sorry, me dumb american cant comprehend wat u say.

we just sit in corner AND CONTINUE RULING THE FUCKING WORLD. Enjoy our donations. :lol2:


i do really hate how this thread is a wee bit of a circlejerk between AMERICA IS GLORIOUS POWURRR and GREAT SATAN DIEEEE

Its not so much that as defense for America. We hear so much bad stuff said about Americans all the time, that even the ones who aren't a fan of our country have to defend it. The problem is that extremism breeds more extremism.

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Postby Arglorand » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:20 pm

New Frenco Empire wrote:
Arglorand wrote:
i do really hate how this thread is a wee bit of a circlejerk between AMERICA IS GLORIOUS POWURRR and GREAT SATAN DIEEEE

We're arrogant and "narcistic". I have to deliver.

Glorious KASSRD wrote:
Arglorand wrote:
i do really hate how this thread is a wee bit of a circlejerk between AMERICA IS GLORIOUS POWURRR and GREAT SATAN DIEEEE

Its not so much that as defense for America. We hear so much bad stuff said about Americans all the time, that even the ones who aren't a fan of our country have to defend it. The problem is that extremism breeds more extremism.

Yeah, no, don't get me wrong, I understand; I defend my own country on this forum and elsewhere remarkably often, even though I find myself disagreeing with quite a fucking few of its political decisions, because I don't accept that anyone else has the right to tell me how to live. So I can empathise.

And spot on with the extremism comment. That's what I find annoying about this, precisely that.
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Postby Scepez » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:22 pm

Aelex wrote:
Scepez wrote:They didn't conquer it, they migrated there. They were the first to a start their kingdoms there, as there were none before except Roman rule. They fought against Frankish aggression. That all concludes to that they we're annexed forcefully (the Bretons didn't have a choice), which is rather like stealing.

They migrated, killing the inhabitants. And, no; the annexion of Britain which happened along the marriage of Anne de Bretagne to Charles VIII and then, later, to Louis XIII was peaceful.


I think it was the opposite for a while :P

Anyway, they didn't kill the inhabitants. Since there was other rule, they had no reason to kill.

And as for "peaceful", from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Brittany):
"The army of the Kingdom of France, with the help of 5,000 mercenaries from Switzerland and Italy, defeated the Breton army in 1488, and the last Duke of independent Brittany, Francis II, was forced to submit to a treaty giving the King of France the right to determine the marriage of the Duke's daughter, a 12-year-old girl, the heir to the Duchy. The Duchess Anne was the last independent ruler of the duchy as she was ultimately obliged to marry Louis XII of France."

Doesn't seem like fucking peaceful to me, mate.
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:25 pm

This referring to Brittany as Britain, in something of a bad translation of French, irritates me.

Let's just agree to call it Breizh. I'm sure that will satisfy everyone. Or at least myself.
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Postby Aelex » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:32 pm

Arglorand wrote:This referring to Brittany as Britain, in something of a bad translation of French, irritates me.

Let's just agree to call it Breizh. I'm sure that will satisfy everyone. Or at least myself.

Or just call it Bretagne.
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Postby Aelex » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:35 pm

Scepez wrote:"The army of the Kingdom of France, with the help of 5,000 mercenaries from Switzerland and Italy, defeated the Breton army in 1488, and the last Duke of independent Brittany, Francis II, was forced to submit to a treaty giving the King of France the right to determine the marriage of the Duke's daughter, a 12-year-old girl, the heir to the Duchy. The Duchess Anne was the last independent ruler of the duchy as she was ultimately obliged to marry Louis XII of France."

To replace it in it's context.
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:35 pm

Aelex wrote:
Arglorand wrote:This referring to Brittany as Britain, in something of a bad translation of French, irritates me.

Let's just agree to call it Breizh. I'm sure that will satisfy everyone. Or at least myself.

Or just call it Bretagne.

Let's call it Breizhagtany.
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Postby Greater-London » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:35 pm

One countries got to rule the world. Thank god its America.
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Postby Aelex » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:38 pm

Arglorand wrote:Let's call it Breizhagtany.

I agree to this. :hug:
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:41 pm

Aelex wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Let's call it Breizhagtany.

I agree to this. :hug:

At least if we break our tongues, all of us here in NSG, regardless of our views, and, more importantly, language, will break them together.
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Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

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