What is your personal stance on the United states

[Blakullar]

Nah, don't like them that much, bit arrogant and narcistic.

But, we earn hard cash from them for abusing their mostly stupid population so 10/10 would continue earning hard cash.

Durka durr. Me so sorry, me dumb american cant comprehend wat u say.

we just sit in corner AND CONTINUE RULING THE FUCKING WORLD. Enjoy our donations.

>"donations"

[Scepez]

"The army of the Kingdom of France, with the help of 5,000 mercenaries from Switzerland and Italy, defeated the Breton army in 1488, and the last Duke of independent Brittany, Francis II, was forced to submit to a treaty giving the King of France the right to determine the marriage of the Duke's daughter, a 12-year-old girl, the heir to the Duchy. The Duchess Anne was the last independent ruler of the duchy as she was ultimately obliged to marry Louis XII of France."

To replace it in it's context.

By the looks of it, the Bretons wanted independence, and the French just stomped on them for that. That only makes the case more clearer.

[New Frenco Empire]

Durka durr. Me so sorry, me dumb american cant comprehend wat u say.

we just sit in corner AND CONTINUE RULING THE FUCKING WORLD. Enjoy our donations.

>"donations"

The pinkopean union just wants our poptarts!

But for real, if you throw in poptart costs, we're basically just giving you civilization and keeping the scary brown people away. I'm being intentionally fucking dumb.

[Geanna]

1) Method of Loci does wonders when you've the mind to use it - The United States as a nation has only existed for around 200 years, not talking about the colonies, come on, this isn't hard history.

2) Secondly, I'm Irish not American

3) Thirdly - Real history? Do me a favour mate, stay in school - or better yet, drop-out, maybe given a few years you'll straighten out, but if not - you're going to be in for quite the rude awakening, being cocky isn't going to get you anywhere, outside of making me want to repeatedly become acquainted with my desk - via my face, and a potential collective perception of you being either ignorant or uneducated - not that they are mutually inexclusive to begin with.

4) If we're going to discuss assimilation and what defines a culture, we're going to end up crossing off a lot of names - including France. Furthermore, if American History doesn't appeal to you - then your point of posting here is more likely for the sole purpose of baiting people, else you needn't post at all. So in that fact, it'd be quite puzzling as to why you'd even bother participating in the first place, hmm?

5) As far as Manifest Destiny, and American Exceptionalism [since they somewhat go hand-in-hand] they are two of the chief ideologies that shaped the country - the latter's point is to express just that, the United States being considered an exceptional case because it's built to be a melting pot. The premise cultivated ideals in the Old World, such as liberty, equal opportunity, freedom of your person among other ideals formulated in the Age of Enlightenment and put them into practise.

6) Whether or not you feel the United States and its impact on the geopolitical stage, both positive and negative isn't something to be considered and learnt about is arguably irrelevant - this is why I dislike people who are idealistic, and extremely subjective.

1) Here is the problem; given that I don't consider the U.S.A as a nation in the first place, I take the date of the creation of the first colonial state as the date of creation of the U.S.A.

2) I read your sign so I know you're Irish; I used "you" as an undetermined pronoun to refer to all my interlocutor, not specifically to you.

3) Are you really going with the insults and the "ad hominem" now? I find all this "you're ineducated and stupid" to be quite an idiot argument when you're talking to people who obviously ain't. I'm not saying that I'm a "Genius", but I'm in no way intellectually inferior to most of the people here.

4) Indeed and that's not the point but France didn't quite assimilated than crushed culture to impose it's own's one; Britany is a perfect exemple of that.

5) They put the the Lumières ideas of freedom and equality for all men in practice except for the black people who had to remain slave even after most of the Old World abolished slavery.

6) it is. It's the point of this thread that to discuss our views on the U.S.

Firstly, it doesn't work that way - Sorry, but what you consider a nation, and what I consider a nation are irrelevant, if that were the case - I'm now Queen of Lesbistan. Secondly, third-person plural works perfectly fine if you don't want to be misunderstood. Thirdly, I apologise if you misconstrued what I said to be an ad hominem - though I will easily uphold the thing about being cocky. Fourthly, French Vietnam is a good example,

15 percent of all school-age children received any kind of schooling, and about 80 percent of the population was illiterate, in contrast to precolonial times when the majority of the people possessed some degree of literacy. With its more than 20 million inhabitants in 1939, Vietnam had but one university, with fewer than 700 students. Only a small number of Vietnamese children were admitted to the lycées (secondary schools) for the children of the French.

Two other aspects of French colonial policy are significant when considering the attitude of the Vietnamese people, especially their educated minority, toward the colonial regime: one was the absence of any kind of civil liberties for the native population, and the other was the exclusion of the Vietnamese from the modern sector of the economy, especially industry and trade.

The French now moved to impose a Western-style administration on their colonial territories and to open them to economic exploitation. Under Gov.-Gen. Paul Doumer, who arrived in 1897, French rule was imposed directly at all levels of administration, leaving the Vietnamese bureaucracy without any real power. Even Vietnamese emperors were deposed at will and replaced by others willing to serve the French.

^{1234''A hallmark of the French colonial project in the late 19th century and early 20th century was the civilising mission, the principle that it was Europe's duty to bring civilisation to benighted peoples.''5'' the granting of French citizenship to natives "was not a right, but rather a privilege"6''French administration attempted to use urban planning and colonial education to prevent cultural mixing and to uphold the traditional society upon which the French depended for collaboration, with mixed results. ''8''Destroying Old Ruins for space for French buildings''}

Oh no - France wasn't like the other powers, especially when we consider the continuous linguistic battle over minority languages such as Occitan in the South. Hell - the French didn't fully abolish slavery in West Africa until 1905.

[Devils Reef]

well my favorite writer was born there (gee, I wonder who that could be?).

[Blakullar]

>"donations"

The pinkopean union just wants our poptarts!

To be fair to us back in Blighty, your poptarts are very good. But they're dogshit in comparison to scones and cream!

But for real, if you throw in poptart costs, we're basically just giving you civilization and keeping the scary brown people away.

Let this fucker handle that part. We just want the poptarts.

[Braberland]

>"donations"

The pinkopean union just wants our poptarts!

But for real, if you throw in poptart costs, we're basically just giving you civilization and keeping the scary brown people away.

>Implying you can beat Dutch-owned IKEA, Shell etc.

Also, we created your New York, and we've got a deletion button in the parliament. Continue paying us or see 3 million extra povertized people in your country, together with Louisiana's dams/dykes breaking and New York getting rekt.

[Arglorand]

The pinkopean union just wants our poptarts!

But for real, if you throw in poptart costs, we're basically just giving you civilization and keeping the scary brown people away.

>Implying you can beat Dutch-owned IKEA, Shell etc.

Also, we created your New York, and we've got a deletion button in the parliament. Continue paying us or see 3 million extra povertized people in your country, together with Louisiana's dams/dykes breaking and New York getting rekt.

IKEA is Swedish. It just happens to have its HQ in Leiden.

[Arglorand]

also can we kind of interrupt this circlejerk with the notion that there's a whole continent called africa which quite legitimately for legitimate reasons is kind of pissed at both europe and the US

neither of us are quite innocent

[Second Modern Rome]

I love America, especially since it is the country that was one of the first republics to be formed, aside from Ancient Rome thousands of years before. It is my home and I will always stand up for it and one day I will fight in it's Army. America many not be perfect, but it will always stand as a beacon of hope for the rest of the world.

[Scepez]

>Implying you can beat Dutch-owned IKEA, Shell etc.

Also, we created your New York, and we've got a deletion button in the parliament. Continue paying us or see 3 million extra povertized people in your country, together with Louisiana's dams/dykes breaking and New York getting rekt.

IKEA is Swedish. It just happens to have its HQ in Leiden.

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Also, Shell is half-British too.

[Braberland]

>Implying you can beat Dutch-owned IKEA, Shell etc.

Also, we created your New York, and we've got a deletion button in the parliament. Continue paying us or see 3 million extra povertized people in your country, together with Louisiana's dams/dykes breaking and New York getting rekt.

IKEA is Swedish. It just happens to have its HQ in Leiden.

Lies, it's Dutch.
Same as Shell.

(Please understand I'm joking around, we all know that U.S. discussion topics shouln't be taken too seriously).

Seriously now, the US is simply a country with an unappealing culture and a hostile people to me. But besides that, nothing much.

[Some Group of Islands]

It's the greatest country on Earth

[Braberland]

It's the greatest country on Earth

That's subjective.

[Arglorand]

It's the greatest country on Earth

Define "greatest"

[Twilight Imperium]

It's the greatest country on Earth

Define "greatest"

They're talking about our weight

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm fond of America. Occasionally there are glimpses of the promised land, so to speak.
Most of the time it's just as corrupt and bollocks as most other places though.

I'd say those glimpses represent the apex of the english speaking peoples cultural heritage, I agree with Dan Hannan on that.
I just think we could go a bit further. Get even more unhinged and become truly insane norwegians instead of just rather mad ones.
Go balls to the wall liberal and legalize basically everything that involves consenting adults, then act insufferably smug about it, refer to foreign governments as barbarous tyrannies, their citizens as serfs and such, until all the other nations get sick of us.
It's a race to see which nation gets there first, and i'm rooting for one of the anglosphere.
Then, truly, we shall have completed our god-given mission to troll the planet.

[Arkotania]

Define "greatest"

They're talking about our weight

I've heard Saudi Arabia is ready to kick us into second place in that regard.

The USA's main benefit seems to be it's protected location. Unlike Europe, which has been wracked by war quite frequently, the only "wars" of American have often been Americans fighting Americans, and that was during the mid-19th century. Also factor in the "subjugation" of our border neighbors thanks to the USA's status as a global superpower, pretty much makes America the king of the sandbox.

[The Alexanderians]

They're talking about our weight

I've heard Saudi Arabia is ready to kick us into second place in that regard.

I think Britian passed America at one point too, though I think things are back to status quo in that regard.

[Pope Joan]

The US is a complex question. It is justly admired for its Constitution and democratic foundation. (Yes I know all about the slaveholding founders etc. It was still ahead of its time).

All nations are now in thrall to transnational corporations. Whatever they represent may help those corporations manipulate public sentiment and behavior, but they are increasingly irrelevant.

[Arkotania]

The US is a complex question. It is justly admired for its Constitution and democratic foundation. (Yes I know all about the slaveholding founders etc. It was still ahead of its time).

All nations are now in thrall to transnational corporations. Whatever they represent may help those corporations manipulate public sentiment and behavior, but they are increasingly irrelevant.

The Constitution is nice. It'd be nicer if some of the basic outlines of it were followed though...like the things in the preamble that seem to get often ignored.

Doesn't the US also have the most apathetic voters compared to other Western Democracies? I think I remember it being like ~35% of eligible people actually vote(except during Presidential elections which have a slightly higher turn-out).

[Goztepe]

It'd be good if their government stopped catering to radical Islamists who have been sold as moderate muslims in the Western media *hinting at Free Syrian Army here*. But I appreciate their recent efforts to reconcile with the legitimate government of Syrian Arab Republic led by Assad.

When it comes to the global culture spreading all around the world from out there; I actually support that. I look up to the American way of life. Although some people around me regard me as an American wannabe; I've been associated with anti-American groups mainly on the basis of standing up against their government's long-pursued politics of funding and supporting Islamist groups as I stated above. Just don't venture into that again and I'm fine.

[The Liberated Territories]

More like a collection of cultures, imo. besides, "we are citizens of the world."

but other than that isn't that one way identify as a nation?

God I hate when people quote Socrate without even knowing the context of this sentence...

Still, no. Stealing other people culture =/= having an own culture.

The Romans called, they want their culture back.

[The Alexanderians]

The US is a complex question. It is justly admired for its Constitution and democratic foundation. (Yes I know all about the slaveholding founders etc. It was still ahead of its time).

All nations are now in thrall to transnational corporations. Whatever they represent may help those corporations manipulate public sentiment and behavior, but they are increasingly irrelevant.

The Constitution is nice. It'd be nicer if some of the basic outlines of it were followed though...like the things in the preamble that seem to get often ignored.

Doesn't the US also have the most apathetic voters compared to other Western Democracies? I think I remember it being like ~35% of eligible people actually vote(except during Presidential elections which have a slightly higher turn-out).

Depends on where and what election you're talking about, the national average is about 1/3 (like you said) but some local elections can hit the upper 80% (I stress some). With most elections people are jaded and are sick of putting effort towards what they see as a exercise in bullshit so they don't vote. To be honest before I could vote I was more interested in voting when I was old enough I took part in like 3 elections (presidential, 1 state and 1 local) before becoming cynical too. I still vote but it can seem useless at times.

[Pope Joan]

The US is a complex question. It is justly admired for its Constitution and democratic foundation. (Yes I know all about the slaveholding founders etc. It was still ahead of its time).

All nations are now in thrall to transnational corporations. Whatever they represent may help those corporations manipulate public sentiment and behavior, but they are increasingly irrelevant.

The Constitution is nice. It'd be nicer if some of the basic outlines of it were followed though...like the things in the preamble that seem to get often ignored.

Doesn't the US also have the most apathetic voters compared to other Western Democracies? I think I remember it being like ~35% of eligible people actually vote(except during Presidential elections which have a slightly higher turn-out).

We would have a higher percentage if state officials did not actively discourage voting by certain groups. In 2000, station wagons in Florida carrying blacks to the polls were pulled over and fined for operating as taxicabs without a license. Schenectady NY has no polling places within walking distance of Vail or Hall, its two poor neighborhoods. They are supposed to go downtown, to City Hall. Why so few sites? Oh, think a bit; I'm sure a possibility might occur to you.
So, the parents have to find a pay a babysitter and take the bus (few bus stops in those neighborhoods too), If they can get time off work. If their work shift runs to 7 PM they might make it to the polls in time to find it locked in their faces. "If you cared enough to vote, like well-to-do white people, you would have been here sooner."