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Postby The Germanian states » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:06 am

Why do all nations have militaries yet they are trying to prevent the 3rd world war. Funny right?

The only threat I see is Terrorism but you can name other reasons why a nation needs a military when they support peace.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:09 am

The Germanian states wrote:Why do all nations have militaries yet they are trying to prevent the 3rd world war. Funny right?

The only threat I see is Terrorism but you can name other reasons why a nation needs a military when they support peace.

As a deterrent to war.
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Postby Terrad » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:09 am

The Germanian states wrote:Why do all nations have militaries yet they are trying to prevent the 3rd world war. Funny right?

The only threat I see is Terrorism but you can name other reasons why a nation needs a military when they support peace.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:10 am

Gotta keep the soldiers busy or they'd be marching around the streets like hippies.
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Postby The Germanian states » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:12 am

A war cannot start if you have no one to fight it though.
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Postby Chaunceys » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:13 am

The Germanian states wrote:Why do all nations have militaries yet they are trying to prevent the 3rd world war. Funny right?

The only threat I see is Terrorism but you can name other reasons why a nation needs a military when they support peace.

What exactly are you trying to say? Even a peaceful nations that are neutral and or peaceful in general have some sort of army, without an army you seem weak to certain nations which can allow other nations to attack you and take your over. You always need some sort of military to keep some people from invading.

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Postby Memell » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:14 am

The Germanian states wrote:A war cannot start if you have no one to fight it though.


Wars have been fought with clubs and stones. Are you suggesting the extinction of Mankind?
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Postby Seierus » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:14 am

Nations want soldiers as a defence against foreign threats. Others want to have a defence against that nation's military, and then that nation sees it as a threat and steps up their military.

It's like a neverending cycle, really.
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Postby The Germanian states » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:15 am

With the UN that seems unlikely.
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Postby Terrarva » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:15 am

Why do all nations have police yet they are not doing any attempt to overturn the darker aspects of society that breeds alienation and self-centeredness? Funny, right?

I think it's just the way it is. Heck, i'm an anarchist - make what you will of that.

It's just really hard to win, but if you're in the right moment at the right place on the right time, you just might.
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Postby Chaunceys » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:22 am

The Germanian states wrote:A war cannot start if you have no one to fight it though.

You don't seem to understand, not all nations fight for peace, dictatorships for example would be much happier ruling over every single country in the world. If every nation that is not a dictatorship didn't have a military I can't imagine what would happen, perhaps something even worse then WW3...
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Postby Chaunceys » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:26 am

The Germanian states wrote:With the UN that seems unlikely.

Yes there is a UN that can hold nations back but at the same time it is not always successful...

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Postby Insaeldor » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:27 am

The Germanian states wrote:A war cannot start if you have no one to fight it though.

Oh boy.

And what if no nation had an army? That wouldn't end wars because then you'd just have VNSA's fighting one another for whatever reasons they have. You'll have nations still in competition it not like if the Middle East suddenly demilitarized everything would be okay. Militaries are a vital part oh a nstions ability to retain it soverignty and to protect its populace and to simply throw those out would be not only impossible but impractical.
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Postby Chaunceys » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:32 am

Insaeldor wrote:
The Germanian states wrote:A war cannot start if you have no one to fight it though.

Oh boy.

And what if no nation had an army? That wouldn't end wars because then you'd just have VNSA's fighting one another for whatever reasons they have. You'll have nations still in competition it not like if the Middle East suddenly demilitarized everything would be okay. Militaries are a vital part oh a nstions ability to retain it soverignty and to protect its populace and to simply throw those out would be not only impossible but impractical.

Exactly! And if all nations had no army there could possibly be terror groups that could rise up and take over some nations...

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Postby The Holy Therns » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:33 am

The Germanian states wrote:A war cannot start if you have no one to fight it though.


Don't worry, we have buttons for that now. We'll get that war either way.
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Postby Chaunceys » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:36 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
The Germanian states wrote:A war cannot start if you have no one to fight it though.


Don't worry, we have buttons for that now. We'll get that war either way.

I don't think any nation would risk launching a missile strike on a nation if they don't have a military, I guess there are drones and other things.

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Postby Kikrosta » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:02 am

No country in the world will have guts to launch a war on another in this era. Why will any country? This isn't 1920s anymore, there are nukes and moreover the UN.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:12 am

Kikrosta wrote:No country in the world will have guts to launch a war on another in this era. Why will any country? This isn't 1920s anymore, there are nukes and moreover the UN.

Yes, the world has been at peace since 1920.
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Postby Timsvill » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:15 am

Nations have militaries for protection of it's nation.
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Postby Imperium Sidhicum » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:27 am

Wars these days aren't fought between countries anymore. Proxy wars involving non-state actors are now the norm, be it a lawful government vs. "rebel" groups who accidentally happen to be sponsored by the government's foreign rivals, the "little green men" supported by local traitors, drug cartels or good old-fashioned terrorist organizations, all of which now rival legitimate states in power.

War isn't what it used to be back in the 20th century, massive confrontations between huge armies along a definite frontline having given way to fluid, dynamic low-intensity conflicts, distinction between combatant and non-combatant often becoming very blurred.

The notion of war has also evolved beyond narrowly-military interpretation. Given the expenses involved, an outright military solution is the last resort to any reasonable country or faction - but that doesn't at all mean that wars aren't fought anymore by other means. A well-timed act of economic sabotage can produce damage on the rival power comparable to a nuclear strike in financial terms. A successful cyber-attack on a nation can produce comparable damage. Lastly, propaganda attacks can subvert the enemy populace to favour the attacker's cause, where an open military attack would likely achieve quite the opposite effect.

Wars and conquests aren't a thing of the past. The difference is in methods - a modern conqueror's primary tools are currency, stock market graphs, computers, Internet and mass media, guns and tanks being reserved for those who cannot be swayed by other means.
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Postby Chaunceys » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:29 am

Kikrosta wrote:No country in the world will have guts to launch a war on another in this era. Why will any country? This isn't 1920s anymore, there are nukes and moreover the UN.

Yes, there has been no war between Al Qaeda and the US, or better yet there was but that was in 1910 and they used muskets instead of AK-47's

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Postby Chaunceys » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:34 am

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:Wars these days aren't fought between countries anymore. Proxy wars involving non-state actors are now the norm, be it a lawful government vs. "rebel" groups who accidentally happen to be sponsored by the government's foreign rivals, the "little green men" supported by local traitors, drug cartels or good old-fashioned terrorist organizations, all of which now rival legitimate states in power.

War isn't what it used to be back in the 20th century, massive confrontations between huge armies along a definite frontline having given way to fluid, dynamic low-intensity conflicts, distinction between combatant and non-combatant often becoming very blurred.

The notion of war has also evolved beyond narrowly-military interpretation. Given the expenses involved, an outright military solution is the last resort to any reasonable country or faction - but that doesn't at all mean that wars aren't fought anymore by other means. A well-timed act of economic sabotage can produce damage on the rival power comparable to a nuclear strike in financial terms. A successful cyber-attack on a nation can produce comparable damage. Lastly, propaganda attacks can subvert the enemy populace to favour the attacker's cause, where an open military attack would likely achieve quite the opposite effect.

Wars and conquests aren't a thing of the past. The difference is in methods - a modern conqueror's primary tools are currency, stock market graphs, computers, Internet and mass media, guns and tanks being reserved for those who cannot be swayed by other means.

Hacking a server isn't consider war in the actual seance, it is more or so to show someone what that person or persons are capable of. MOST countries don't hack other countries. Sure Anonymous and other hacktivist groups have hacked countries before but to my knowledge the US hasn't done so.

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Postby Lingria » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:35 am

Why does mankind have soldiers? Because the human mind is set to want more. A large part of it is because of current events. Crimean Crisis, Russian Buildup, Chinese Democracy, North Korea. All of it adds up. Not to mention a giant terrorist group that I'm sure you know of goes by the name of ISIS. Recently they beheaded two Japanese civilians. This outraged the Japanese Government enough for them to purposely find a loop hole in their Constitution for them to plant troops on the ground. Now the question goes again. Why do we have military? People will say 'deterrent' but isn't that why we have Nuclear Weapons? We have Militaries because our governments are insecure of their neighbors. For all we know the Canadians might invade the US.
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Postby Chaunceys » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:56 am

Lingria wrote:Why does mankind have soldiers? Because the human mind is set to want more. A large part of it is because of current events. Crimean Crisis, Russian Buildup, Chinese Democracy, North Korea. All of it adds up. Not to mention a giant terrorist group that I'm sure you know of goes by the name of ISIS. Recently they beheaded two Japanese civilians. This outraged the Japanese Government enough for them to purposely find a loop hole in their Constitution for them to plant troops on the ground. Now the question goes again. Why do we have military? People will say 'deterrent' but isn't that why we have Nuclear Weapons? We have Militaries because our governments are insecure of their neighbors. For all we know the Canadians might invade the US.

I think everyone has ISIS all wrong, I think their goal is just to see how many powerful nations they can piss off at once...

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Postby Kikrosta » Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:35 am

Chaunceys wrote:
Kikrosta wrote:No country in the world will have guts to launch a war on another in this era. Why will any country? This isn't 1920s anymore, there are nukes and moreover the UN.

Yes, there has been no war between Al Qaeda and the US, or better yet there was but that was in 1910 and they used muskets instead of AK-47's

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