God and the World, what do you think? [Does God Exist II]

[Excidium Planetis]

And what deity is that? I meant all deities seriously considered by humans,

Why add such an unnecessary stipulation other than to rig the game so that you can't be wrong? It's pretty damn obvious that the argument can't stand on its own without bullshit added to it.

and I've heard of no deity who Atheists believe in, or any deity that people believe in who only accepts Atheists.

Then that's your own problem. Get a bigger imagination.

Okay, well offer me some proof such a God exists and I'll consider Atheism.

[Mavorpen]

Why add such an unnecessary stipulation other than to rig the game so that you can't be wrong? It's pretty damn obvious that the argument can't stand on its own without bullshit added to it.

Then that's your own problem. Get a bigger imagination.

Okay, well offer me some proof such a God exists and I'll consider Atheism.

I don' think I want you considering atheism if you are seriously requesting this.

[Excidium Planetis]

And what deity is that? I meant all deities seriously considered by humans, and I've heard of no deity who Atheists believe in, or any deity that people believe in who only accepts Atheists.

Oh, that's rich.

So now the Christian God is "seriously" considered?

The consideration for the Christian God is about as serious as the consideration for Princess Celestia, if not less.

Princess Celestia has a lot of followers, but I don't think over a billion people sincerely think she exists. And there certainly isn't historical evidence that anyone claiming to be Celestia lived and died and rose from the dead.

[Mavorpen]

Oh, that's rich.

So now the Christian God is "seriously" considered?

The consideration for the Christian God is about as serious as the consideration for Princess Celestia, if not less.

Princess Celestia has a lot of followers, but I don't think over a billion people sincerely think she exists. And there certainly isn't historical evidence that anyone claiming to be Celestia lived and died and rose from the dead.

There isn't any historical evidence for anyone like that so it's all fine.

[Risottia]

I don't think you understand the ramifications of that statement. If you're truly counting all deities ever imagined, that includes ALL of them. Including one that only accepts Atheists. Including one that accepts EVERYONE. Including one that accepts everyone except Christians. Ad nauseum.

And what deity is that? I meant all deities seriously considered by humans, and I've heard of no deity who Atheists believe in, or any deity that people believe in who only accepts Atheists.

So your imagination is limited by what some humans have told you it's "serious"?

That's not going to help you a lot when Yog-Sothoth will knock at your door, you know.

[Excidium Planetis]

Okay, well offer me some proof such a God exists and I'll consider Atheism.

I don' think I want you considering atheism if you are seriously requesting this.

Well, then if there is no proof such a deity exists, why would that even remotely factor in to the wager? If there is a 0% chance X God exists, then it is a much safer bet to worship a deity who actually might conceivably exist.

[Risottia]

Why would Christians not have good karma?

Too much cow slaughtering and eating.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Why add such an unnecessary stipulation other than to rig the game so that you can't be wrong? It's pretty damn obvious that the argument can't stand on its own without bullshit added to it.

Then that's your own problem. Get a bigger imagination.

Okay, well offer me some proof such a God exists and I'll consider Atheism.

Behold, Malal, the renegade god.

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Malal

[Mavorpen]

Well, then if there is no proof such a deity exists, why would that even remotely factor in to the wager?

Because there's no proof for any of them. They're all equally likely.

If there is a 0% chance X God exists, then it is a much safer bet to worship a deity who actually might conceivably exist.

Which would be none. Glad we've settled that.

[Risottia]

I don' think I want you considering atheism if you are seriously requesting this.

Well, then if there is no proof such a deity exists, why would that even remotely factor in to the wager? If there is a 0% chance X God exists, then it is a much safer bet to worship a deity who actually might conceivably exist.

Now, tell me one deity that has some shred of proof of existing.

Don't count me. I've given up being a god centuries ago.

[Excidium Planetis]

And what deity is that? I meant all deities seriously considered by humans, and I've heard of no deity who Atheists believe in, or any deity that people believe in who only accepts Atheists.

So your imagination is limited by what some humans have told you it's "serious"?

That's not going to help you a lot when Yog-Sothoth will knock at your door, you know.

If "Yog-sothoth" knocked at my door, I might consider he exists. But since there is no proof he (or she or it) exists, I won't place my bets on it. I'd rather place my wager on a God who might actually be real.

[Excidium Planetis]

Well, then if there is no proof such a deity exists, why would that even remotely factor in to the wager? If there is a 0% chance X God exists, then it is a much safer bet to worship a deity who actually might conceivably exist.

Now, tell me one deity that has some shred of proof of existing.

Don't count me. I've given up being a god centuries ago.

Jesus. What me to support that with evidence?

[Risottia]

So your imagination is limited by what some humans have told you it's "serious"?

That's not going to help you a lot when Yog-Sothoth will knock at your door, you know.

If "Yog-sothoth" knocked at my door, I might consider he exists. But since there is no proof he (or she or it) exists, I won't place my bets on it. I'd rather place my wager on a God who might actually be real.

Did your god ever knock at your door in person? Then you have exactly as much as proof for the existance of your god as you have for the existance of Yog-Sothoth.

That is none.

[Risottia]

Now, tell me one deity that has some shred of proof of existing.

Don't count me. I've given up being a god centuries ago.

Jesus. What me to support that with evidence?

No, not Jesus.

Well, I'm not smiting you with lightning right now, so clearly I've given up being a god. Isn't that evidence enough?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

So your imagination is limited by what some humans have told you it's "serious"?

That's not going to help you a lot when Yog-Sothoth will knock at your door, you know.

If "Yog-sothoth" knocked at my door, I might consider he exists. But since there is no proof he (or she or it) exists, I won't place my bets on it. I'd rather place my wager on a God who might actually be real.

So you'd rather place your wager on a fiction rather than a fiction? The big Y is as valid a choice as the Abrahamic God.

[The Rich Port]

... At least two?

Which ones are those?

Also, all Hindu traditions accept atheists so long as they practice good karma.

But... If your'e a Christian, you've probably don't have very good karma.

The two are the Christian God and Allah, as according to Islam, Christians and Jews can convert to Islam after they die. Possibly also the Jewish God too, since Christians honestly believe the two are the same, YHWH might understand.

Why would Christians not have good karma?

There are plenty of karmic practices Christians don't engage in, and therefore would not have too much of it, good deeds taken into account.

Christians do not practice bhakti, or the veneration of Deva and the words of Deva, which is dissimilar to the Christian God. Christians also do not pursue jnana, or enlightenment through meditation and study, because Christians believe Heaven is a place where individual souls can live eternally, when Hindus do not; they believe in a collective heaven where we all become one.

Then there's the whole yoga bit; eating red meat, slaughtering animals cruelly, the tainting of the body, the chakras, the lack of purification, etc., but those are less important overall.

They also believe in sin, and sin is an illusion of free will. As a Hindu, you must achieve enlightenment to reach Nirvana, not purge yourself of sin, because sin is an excuse for bad behavior. There is no salvation from God. You must make your own salvation. That is what it is to be enlightened.

Also, for all of this backpedaling in Christian apologetics to try to distance the evidence of God from physical reality, Hinduism was never about the absolutism of God as recorded in scripture. The Vedas are merely texts of example, to follow the paths of enlightenment; they're not necessarily the word of Deva, rather a guidebook to return to Deva, to escape the illusion of this world. Some say "God" wrote the Vedas, when really it was "gods", or what some call the spirits, who wrote the Vedas.

Some think they're gods, others think they're not, and that's where things can start becoming syncretic.

[Excidium Planetis]

Well, then if there is no proof such a deity exists, why would that even remotely factor in to the wager?

Because there's no proof for any of them. They're all equally likely.

If there is a 0% chance X God exists, then it is a much safer bet to worship a deity who actually might conceivably exist.

Which would be none. Glad we've settled that.

Actually, I've never seen anyone claim that X God personally told them he'd only accept Atheists. I have however, seen dozens (and there are certainly more) claim the Chirtian God spoke to them personally.

[Jute]

Oh, that's rich.

So now the Christian God is "seriously" considered?

The consideration for the Christian God is about as serious as the consideration for Princess Celestia, if not less.

Princess Celestia has a lot of followers, but I don't think over a billion people sincerely think she exists. And there certainly isn't historical evidence that anyone claiming to be Celestia lived and died and rose from the dead.

How did that even enter the argument? But it'd be funny if tomorrow someone came and said exactly that. Would they believe him or her? Probably not.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Now, tell me one deity that has some shred of proof of existing.

Don't count me. I've given up being a god centuries ago.

Jesus. What me to support that with evidence?

You don't have any evidence.

[Mavorpen]

Actually, I've never seen anyone claim that X God personally told them he'd only accept Atheists.

Okay.

I have however, seen dozens (and there are certainly more) claim the Chirtian God spoke to them personally.

So God doesn't exist. Got it.

[Excidium Planetis]

The two are the Christian God and Allah, as according to Islam, Christians and Jews can convert to Islam after they die. Possibly also the Jewish God too, since Christians honestly believe the two are the same, YHWH might understand.

Why would Christians not have good karma?

There are plenty of karmic practices Christians don't engage in, and therefore would not have too much of it, good deeds taken into account.

Christians do not practice bhakti, or the veneration of Deva and the words of Deva, which is dissimilar to the Christian God. Christians also do not pursue jnana, or enlightenment through meditation and study, because Christians believe Heaven is a place where individual souls can live eternally.

They also believe in sin, and sin is an illusion of free will. As a Hindu, you must achieve enlightenment to reach Nirvana, not purge yourself of sin, because sin is an excuse for bad behavior. There is no salvation from God. You must make your own salvation. That is what it is to be enlightened.

Also, for all of this backpedaling in Christian apologetics to try to distance the evidence of God from physical reality, Hinduism was never about the absolutism of God as recorded in scripture. The Vedas are merely texts of example, to follow the paths of enlightenment; they're not necessarily the word of Deva, rather a guidebook to return to Deva, to escape the illusion of this world. Some say "God" wrote the Vedas, when really it was "gods", or what some call the spirits, who wrote the Vedas.

Some think they're gods, others think they're not, and that's where things can start becoming syncretic.

And you would have me believe there are Atheists who follow the words of Deva?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Because there's no proof for any of them. They're all equally likely.

Which would be none. Glad we've settled that.

Actually, I've never seen anyone claim that X God personally told them he'd only accept Atheists. I have however, seen dozens (and there are certainly more) claim the Chirtian God spoke to them personally.

Nothing more than unreliable anecdote.

[Jute]

Princess Celestia has a lot of followers, but I don't think over a billion people sincerely think she exists. And there certainly isn't historical evidence that anyone claiming to be Celestia lived and died and rose from the dead.

There isn't any historical evidence for anyone like that so it's all fine.

Wait, doesn't Jesus count? Is there no evidence for at least a person who claimed that, not even necessarily did that?

[Jute]

There are plenty of karmic practices Christians don't engage in, and therefore would not have too much of it, good deeds taken into account.

Christians do not practice bhakti, or the veneration of Deva and the words of Deva, which is dissimilar to the Christian God. Christians also do not pursue jnana, or enlightenment through meditation and study, because Christians believe Heaven is a place where individual souls can live eternally.

They also believe in sin, and sin is an illusion of free will. As a Hindu, you must achieve enlightenment to reach Nirvana, not purge yourself of sin, because sin is an excuse for bad behavior. There is no salvation from God. You must make your own salvation. That is what it is to be enlightened.

Also, for all of this backpedaling in Christian apologetics to try to distance the evidence of God from physical reality, Hinduism was never about the absolutism of God as recorded in scripture. The Vedas are merely texts of example, to follow the paths of enlightenment; they're not necessarily the word of Deva, rather a guidebook to return to Deva, to escape the illusion of this world. Some say "God" wrote the Vedas, when really it was "gods", or what some call the spirits, who wrote the Vedas.

Some think they're gods, others think they're not, and that's where things can start becoming syncretic.

And you would have me believe there are Atheists who follow the words of Deva?

Atheists can be religious, too, so possibly?

[Mavorpen]

There are plenty of karmic practices Christians don't engage in, and therefore would not have too much of it, good deeds taken into account.

Christians do not practice bhakti, or the veneration of Deva and the words of Deva, which is dissimilar to the Christian God. Christians also do not pursue jnana, or enlightenment through meditation and study, because Christians believe Heaven is a place where individual souls can live eternally.

They also believe in sin, and sin is an illusion of free will. As a Hindu, you must achieve enlightenment to reach Nirvana, not purge yourself of sin, because sin is an excuse for bad behavior. There is no salvation from God. You must make your own salvation. That is what it is to be enlightened.

Also, for all of this backpedaling in Christian apologetics to try to distance the evidence of God from physical reality, Hinduism was never about the absolutism of God as recorded in scripture. The Vedas are merely texts of example, to follow the paths of enlightenment; they're not necessarily the word of Deva, rather a guidebook to return to Deva, to escape the illusion of this world. Some say "God" wrote the Vedas, when really it was "gods", or what some call the spirits, who wrote the Vedas.

Some think they're gods, others think they're not, and that's where things can start becoming syncretic.

And you would have me believe there are Atheists who follow the words of Deva?

Yes.