Fawklands, Who Should Have Them?

[Ifaltannia]

Argentina Are You Listening
Here's Just A Few Reason's Why They Are Ours

That self determination is a universal right enshrined in UN charter, and applies in the case of the Falkland Islanders.
That the 2013 referendum, in which 99.8% of Falklands voters voted to remain a British Overseas Territory on a 92% turnout, was an exercise in self-determination that "demonstrated beyond all doubt" the islanders' views on the dispute; and that the result should be respected by all other countries including Argentina.
That Britain both claimed and settled the islands in 1765 before Argentina existed.
That the 1771 Anglo-Spanish agreement signed preserved the claims of both Spain and Britain, not Spain alone.
That Britain abandoned its settlement in 1774 due to economic pressures, but left a plaque behind proving sovereignty was not relinquished.
That the Nootka Sound Convention only stipulated against further establishments and did not affect existing claims to sovereignty.
That uti possidetis juris "is not a universally accepted principle of international law" and Argentina could not inherit the islands upon independence anyway as Spain did not have De facto control since 1811.
That Argentina's attempts to colonise the islands were ineffectual and there was no indigenous or settled population before British settlement.
That in 1833 an Argentine garrison was expelled but the civilian residents were encouraged to stay.
That the islands have been continuously and peacefully occupied by the UK since 1833, with the exception of 2 months of illegal occupation by Argentina.
That the Arana-Southern Treaty of 1850 (the 'Convention of Settlement'), ended all possible claims by Argentina on the Falkland Islands.
That Argentine leaders indicated in the 1860s that there was no dispute between Argentina and Britain, and that Argentine maps printed between 1850 and 1884 did not show the islands as part of Argentina.
That the UN Special Committee on Decolonization resolutions calling for negotiations "are flawed because they make no reference to the Islanders' right to choose their own future".
The European Union Treaty of Lisbon ratifies that the Falkland Islands belong to Britain.

[Ostroeuropa]

They don't "come from" Britain. They've been on the Falklands a number of generations. You're literally advocating ethnic cleansing.

Sure, Britain did things wrong in the past, few people would deny that - the current generation weren't alive then and couldn't exactly do much about that. But *you* are advocating doing wrong things *now*. That makes you a bad person and you should feel bad.

So all the bad things done by your ancestors have done good things for you like you, while all the bad things done by the British have made their lives shitty but no let that be, The British must not be touched for they are gods destined to rule this world

We do give out quite a bit of aid and forgive debts from ex-colonies as well as send out economists and such and oh fuck it.
There's no point.
We can either get back into nationalist dick waving and inevitably have another world war, or we can just drop that crap and try to live up to standards of human rights.
You apparently would prefer another world war. You know, with nukes.

[The Emerald Dragon]

They don't "come from" Britain. They've been on the Falklands a number of generations. You're literally advocating ethnic cleansing.

Sure, Britain did things wrong in the past, few people would deny that - the current generation weren't alive then and couldn't exactly do much about that. But *you* are advocating doing wrong things *now*. That makes you a bad person and you should feel bad.

So all the bad things done by your ancestors have done good things for you like you, while all the bad things done by the British have made their lives shitty but no let that be, The British must not be touched for they are gods destined to rule this world

Manisdog, you're a fucking hypocrite.

I mean, you must of woken up on the wrong side of the bed as a toddler.

[Hurdegaryp]

Anyone have any idea how Argentina would react if London sold the Islands to Chile?

World War III would begin in South America.

[Fartsniffage]

Anyone have any idea how Argentina would react if London sold the Islands to Chile?

Probably invade them really badly again.

[Saint Kitten]

They don't "come from" Britain. They've been on the Falklands a number of generations. You're literally advocating ethnic cleansing.

Sure, Britain did things wrong in the past, few people would deny that - the current generation weren't alive then and couldn't exactly do much about that. But *you* are advocating doing wrong things *now*. That makes you a bad person and you should feel bad.

So all the bad things done by your ancestors have done good things for you like you, while all the bad things done by the British have made their lives shitty but no let that be, The British must not be touched for they are gods destined to rule this world

Is it 2015 or 1715? I can't tell anymore. You're making this sound like it happened yesterday. Also, if there was this resentfulness in all the former colonies then don't you think that they would vote to leave Britain?

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

A question for imperialpowersofkorea, since this topic is up again.

One of my acquaintances, we'll call him Mr. S, is a British man, who works for the British government, in a country where the majority population are of a rather different skin colour and ethnicity. Mr S's family have lived there for well over 100 years, first moving in the time of Queen Victoria.

So, as a British man, living in a country populated by people who are not the same as him, should he continue to live there? or not ?

That is an interesting question but not the topic and vaguely related if related at but it is interesting nonetheless , If Mr. S is living properly without causing any ruckus and nuisance than he should be allowed to stay but If he is a nuisance to the local population Mr.S should leave...

[Ostroeuropa]

So all the bad things done by your ancestors have done good things for you like you, while all the bad things done by the British have made their lives shitty but no let that be, The British must not be touched for they are gods destined to rule this world

Is it 2015 or 1715? I can't tell anymore. You're making this sound like it happened yesterday. Also, if there was this resentfulness in all the former colonies then don't you think that they would vote to leave Britain?

*Cough* most did. (But then we let them go. So... call it a wash?)

[The Emerald Dragon]

So all the bad things done by your ancestors have done good things for you like you, while all the bad things done by the British have made their lives shitty but no let that be, The British must not be touched for they are gods destined to rule this world

We do give out quite a bit of aid and forgive debts from ex-colonies as well as send out economists and such and oh fuck it.
There's no point.
We can either get back into nationalist dick waving and inevitably have another world war, or we can just drop that crap and try to live up to standards of human rights.
You apparently would prefer another world war. You know, with nukes.

He has some bullshit about "ERMAHGERD, MUH ANCESTORS WERE KILLZ BY THEM BRITISCH!!!"

Get the feeling, as with most of Manisdog's posts that the whole ancestor thing is BS.

[Novia Soviet Socialist Republic]

They don't "come from" Britain. They've been on the Falklands a number of generations. You're literally advocating ethnic cleansing.

Sure, Britain did things wrong in the past, few people would deny that - the current generation weren't alive then and couldn't exactly do much about that. But *you* are advocating doing wrong things *now*. That makes you a bad person and you should feel bad.

So all the bad things done by your ancestors have done good things for you like you, while all the bad things done by the British have made their lives shitty but no let that be, The British must not be touched for they are gods destined to rule this world

I'll correct you there. It's just me who wants to rule the world.

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

So all the bad things done by your ancestors have done good things for you like you, while all the bad things done by the British have made their lives shitty but no let that be, The British must not be touched for they are gods destined to rule this world

Is it 2015 or 1715? I can't tell anymore. You're making this sound like it happened yesterday. Also, if there was this resentfulness in all the former colonies then don't you think that they would vote to leave Britain?

Arent we talking about 1973 or you guys use different numbers than the rest of the world ?

[Ifaltannia]

Here's Just A Few Reason's Why They Are Ours

That self determination is a universal right enshrined in UN charter, and applies in the case of the Falkland Islanders.
That the 2013 referendum, in which 99.8% of Falklands voters voted to remain a British Overseas Territory on a 92% turnout, was an exercise in self-determination that "demonstrated beyond all doubt" the islanders' views on the dispute; and that the result should be respected by all other countries including Argentina.
That Britain both claimed and settled the islands in 1765 before Argentina existed.
That the 1771 Anglo-Spanish agreement signed preserved the claims of both Spain and Britain, not Spain alone.
That Britain abandoned its settlement in 1774 due to economic pressures, but left a plaque behind proving sovereignty was not relinquished.
That the Nootka Sound Convention only stipulated against further establishments and did not affect existing claims to sovereignty.
That uti possidetis juris "is not a universally accepted principle of international law" and Argentina could not inherit the islands upon independence anyway as Spain did not have De facto control since 1811.
That Argentina's attempts to colonise the islands were ineffectual and there was no indigenous or settled population before British settlement.
That in 1833 an Argentine garrison was expelled but the civilian residents were encouraged to stay.
That the islands have been continuously and peacefully occupied by the UK since 1833, with the exception of 2 months of illegal occupation by Argentina.
That the Arana-Southern Treaty of 1850 (the 'Convention of Settlement'), ended all possible claims by Argentina on the Falkland Islands.
That Argentine leaders indicated in the 1860s that there was no dispute between Argentina and Britain, and that Argentine maps printed between 1850 and 1884 did not show the islands as part of Argentina.
That the UN Special Committee on Decolonization resolutions calling for negotiations "are flawed because they make no reference to the Islanders' right to choose their own future".
The European Union Treaty of Lisbon ratifies that the Falkland Islands belong to Britain.

You literally copy+pasted wikipedia. Moreover, all those points are contestable.

Why Yes i did! You can read The point is, all the reasons are true and most have already been said, though i'd round them all together for you my buddy

[The Huskar Social Union]

So all the bad things done by your ancestors have done good things for you like you, while all the bad things done by the British have made their lives shitty but no let that be, The British must not be touched for they are gods destined to rule this world

We do give out quite a bit of aid and forgive debts from ex-colonies as well as send out economists and such and oh fuck it.
There's no point.
We can either get back into nationalist dick waving and inevitably have another world war, or we can just drop that crap and try to live up to standards of human rights.
You apparently would prefer another world war. You know, with nukes.

Of course, afterall we cant let a country go unpunished for events that happeend centuries ago and that the living generations had nothing to do with and has even helped countries it did bad things to like helping with aid and supplies no siree, lets start a war and kill a fuckton of people over blind nationalism and stupidity!

[Empire of Narnia]

UN mandate.

[Dakran]

Anyone have any idea how Argentina would react if London sold the Islands to Chile?

Better yet, to Bolivia.

[Saint Kitten]

So all the bad things done by your ancestors have done good things for you like you, while all the bad things done by the British have made their lives shitty but no let that be, The British must not be touched for they are gods destined to rule this world

I'll correct you there. It's just me who wants to rule the world.

Well that makes two of us *cue cold war pt. 2*

[Kaztropol]

A question for imperialpowersofkorea, since this topic is up again.

One of my acquaintances, we'll call him Mr. S, is a British man, who works for the British government, in a country where the majority population are of a rather different skin colour and ethnicity. Mr S's family have lived there for well over 100 years, first moving in the time of Queen Victoria.

So, as a British man, living in a country populated by people who are not the same as him, should he continue to live there? or not ?

That is an interesting question but not the topic and vaguely related if related at but it is interesting nonetheless , If Mr. S is living properly without causing any ruckus and nuisance than he should be allowed to stay but If he is a nuisance to the local population Mr.S should leave...

No, it is related to the topic, because it is the issue about whether or not people who live somewhere have some right to be there or not.

And yes, some of the local population do object to the presence of Mr S.

[Fartsniffage]

They don't "come from" Britain. They've been on the Falklands a number of generations. You're literally advocating ethnic cleansing.

Sure, Britain did things wrong in the past, few people would deny that - the current generation weren't alive then and couldn't exactly do much about that. But *you* are advocating doing wrong things *now*. That makes you a bad person and you should feel bad.

So all the bad things done by your ancestors have done good things for you like you, while all the bad things done by the British have made their lives shitty but no let that be, The British must not be touched for they are gods destined to rule this world

So if you father murdered someone then you should be punished too?

[Ostroeuropa]

We do give out quite a bit of aid and forgive debts from ex-colonies as well as send out economists and such and oh fuck it.
There's no point.
We can either get back into nationalist dick waving and inevitably have another world war, or we can just drop that crap and try to live up to standards of human rights.
You apparently would prefer another world war. You know, with nukes.

He has some bullshit about "ERMAHGERD, MUH ANCESTORS WERE KILLZ BY THEM BRITISCH!!!"

Get the feeling, as with most of Manisdog's posts that the whole ancestor thing is BS.

That's why it's of paramount importance to the security of mankind to firebomb berlin.

[The Emerald Dragon]

Is it 2015 or 1715? I can't tell anymore. You're making this sound like it happened yesterday. Also, if there was this resentfulness in all the former colonies then don't you think that they would vote to leave Britain?

Arent we talking about 1973 or you guys use different numbers than the rest of the world ?

WELL.

We were talking about your bs claims and lies, but we decided instead to talk of a bunch of rocks, fields etc in the South Atlantic with 3,000 lawful British residents.

[Sebastianbourg]

UN mandate.

Nah, the Trusteeship Council is done for.

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

So all the bad things done by your ancestors have done good things for you like you, while all the bad things done by the British have made their lives shitty but no let that be, The British must not be touched for they are gods destined to rule this world

We do give out quite a bit of aid and forgive debts from ex-colonies as well as send out economists and such and oh fuck it.
There's no point.
We can either get back into nationalist dick waving and inevitably have another world war, or we can just drop that crap and try to live up to standards of human rights.
You apparently would prefer another world war. You know, with nukes.

Yes what about the Aid other countries provided you but this not the topic, let us stick to the topic and be gentlemen, if you can be gentlemanly

[The Huskar Social Union]

He has some bullshit about "ERMAHGERD, MUH ANCESTORS WERE KILLZ BY THEM BRITISCH!!!"

Get the feeling, as with most of Manisdog's posts that the whole ancestor thing is BS.

That's why it's of paramount importance to the security of mankind to firebomb berlin.

Fuck it lets invade Russia again, they pretended to be communist once and had a revolution about it, lets drop the nukes on Japan again, after all they are all radical ultra nationalists right? Hell lets invade tunisia again and kick down the last stones of the city of Carthage, after all they are threatening our trade!

[Ostroeuropa]

That is an interesting question but not the topic and vaguely related if related at but it is interesting nonetheless , If Mr. S is living properly without causing any ruckus and nuisance than he should be allowed to stay but If he is a nuisance to the local population Mr.S should leave...

No, it is related to the topic, because it is the issue about whether or not people who live somewhere have some right to be there or not.

And yes, some of the local population do object to the presence of Mr S.

Mr S is a member of the local population in your scenario.

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

Arent we talking about 1973 or you guys use different numbers than the rest of the world ?

WELL.

We were talking about your bs claims and lies, but we decided instead to talk of a bunch of rocks, fields etc in the South Atlantic with 3,000 lawful British residents.

The british also relocated forcefully 2000 Chagossian Islanders in 1973, so why is removing 3000 British people from Falklands wrong...

On the Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia between 1967 and 1973 the British Government forcibly removed 2000 Chagossian islanders to make way for a military base. Despite court judgments in their favour, they have not been allowed to return from their exile in Mauritius, although there are signs that financial compensation and an official apology are being considered by the British government.