Fawklands, Who Should Have Them?

[Sun Wukong]

Aren't you a little bit too racist to be able to bang on about other people's guilt for historical racism.

My Great Uncle fought in WW2 for the Germans. I suppose that would make me a Nazi, right?

No, but it does make it slightly more surprising that you're not on Argentina's side

[The Huskar Social Union]

I never claimed to be Irish Catholic. I claimed to be British, but according to your logic I can't be because I'm only 3rd generation British and not even 9 generations makes the place of ones birth their homeland.

So Ireland here I come, along with a couple of million of other 2nd and 3rd generation British Irish from my local area. I hope they're stock up on tea and crumpets over there...

Better get my bags packed then.

..ill put the Soda farls on then i guess.

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

Uptil 2050

Uptil 2050 when the treaty will be re-introduced and resigned

Wow you seem to be an astrologer ?

No, We don't know that yet and giving a country like Britain even the littlest of advantage in this matter is dangerous

[Fartsniffage]

I never claimed to be Irish Catholic. I claimed to be British, but according to your logic I can't be because I'm only 3rd generation British and not even 9 generations makes the place of ones birth their homeland.

So Ireland here I come, along with a couple of million of other 2nd and 3rd generation British Irish from my local area. I hope they're stock up on tea and crumpets over there...

I'm half-irish. I'll come.
It'll be hysterical when we all vote to rejoin the UK. I suspect the irish 2nd/3rd/4th/5th generation british may outnumber the irish.

You know...that never even crossed my mind.

[Dakran]

I never claimed to be Irish Catholic. I claimed to be British, but according to your logic I can't be because I'm only 3rd generation British and not even 9 generations makes the place of ones birth their homeland.

So Ireland here I come, along with a couple of million of other 2nd and 3rd generation British Irish from my local area. I hope they're stock up on tea and crumpets over there...

Better get my bags packed then.

Does this mean I have to leave America and go to where my ancestors are from? But... I dun wanna go to poland/ireland/scotland/germany

[Ostroeuropa]

So prove it then.

Okay: When, in the 1790 Convention, Great Britain recognized the status quo existing in the South of America, she was thereby giving the definitive legal proof of her lack of grounds upon which to base her claims to set up settlements of any permanence in the Malvinas. It is, by the same token, one of the grounds for the Argentine claims over the Islands of the South. The English had no right to people the South of the coasts or Islands already occupied by Spain, that is to say. Including the South of the Malvinas and of Puerto Deseado in the Patagonia. Regarding the Malvinas themselves, there had been a renunciation of any rights England might have contended, for the commitment was not to settle any place already occupied by Spain, aside from not sailing within 10 leagues of the coast.In one word, gentlemen after Great Britain’s voluntary abandonment of Port Egmont in 1774, Spain was left as unchallenged and unchallengeable Mistress of the Malvinas Islands, and as such, she exercised absolute sovereignty over them, she occupied them, she designated authorities for them, without the slightest protest on the part of Great Britain. International instruments of the nature of those I have just cited were signed, which even reaffirmed Spain’s rights, and these were the rights that the Argentine Republic inherited in 1810.

All very nice.
And none of it relevant to self-determination. Even assuming it were true.

[The Emerald Dragon]

Better get my bags packed then.

..ill put the Soda farls on then i guess.

Think I'll come into Dublin on a London bus with 'God Save the Queen' in the background - I'll paint the bus orange too.

[Stahlberg]

How is this even a discussion?

The last time Argentina even officially owned the islands was nearly two hundred years ago, and the natives have said time and time again they want to remain under Britain. The only arguments remotely supporting the Argentinian claim boil down to baseless accusations of imperialism and ethnic cleansing. Essentially:

"These islands are close to my nation, therefore they are my nation's land."

[Saint Kitten]

So what your saying is, Britain should pack up it's research labs and leave antartica. No more research to benifit the world. And you do realise all claims on antartica are non-existent, look up the antartic treaty.

Uptil 2050

Because the UK is totally going to fill up the ice sheets with nukes.What about Norway, Australia, France and the rest? Is it just the UK that can't be trusted or must we fear WW3 via Antarctica?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Uptil 2050 when the treaty will be re-introduced and resigned

Wow you seem to be an astrologer ?

No, We don't know that yet and giving a country like Britain even the littlest of advantage in this matter is dangerous

yes we do know that because no country in the world is ever going to waste time, money, resources and people to colonize Antarctica, it is a giant slab of ice and rock. The only interest people have in it is fucking research.

[Costa Fierro]

No. That would be Tierra del Fuego.

I thought south Georgia island was?

No. Tierra del Fuego is closer to Antarctica than the South Georgia is.

[Val Halla]

My Great Uncle fought in WW2 for the Germans. I suppose that would make me a Nazi, right?

No, but it does make it slightly more surprising that you're not on Argentina's side

I'm on the most surprising side of them all. The side of the island's inhabitants. I couldn't give a rat's ass of what it's part of, so long as the locals are OK with it.

[New Frenco Empire]

How is this even a discussion?

The last time Argentina even officially owned the islands was nearly two hundred years ago, and the natives have said time and time again they want to remain under Britain. The only arguments remotely supporting the Argentinian claim boil down to baseless accusations of imperialism and ethnic cleansing. Essentially:

"These islands are close to my nation, therefore they are my nation's land."

"but-but...muh malvinas!"

[Ifaltannia]

Here's Just A Few Reason's Why They Are Ours

That self determination is a universal right enshrined in UN charter, and applies in the case of the Falkland Islanders.
That the 2013 referendum, in which 99.8% of Falklands voters voted to remain a British Overseas Territory on a 92% turnout, was an exercise in self-determination that "demonstrated beyond all doubt" the islanders' views on the dispute; and that the result should be respected by all other countries including Argentina.
That Britain both claimed and settled the islands in 1765 before Argentina existed.
That the 1771 Anglo-Spanish agreement signed preserved the claims of both Spain and Britain, not Spain alone.
That Britain abandoned its settlement in 1774 due to economic pressures, but left a plaque behind proving sovereignty was not relinquished.
That the Nootka Sound Convention only stipulated against further establishments and did not affect existing claims to sovereignty.
That uti possidetis juris "is not a universally accepted principle of international law" and Argentina could not inherit the islands upon independence anyway as Spain did not have De facto control since 1811.
That Argentina's attempts to colonise the islands were ineffectual and there was no indigenous or settled population before British settlement.
That in 1833 an Argentine garrison was expelled but the civilian residents were encouraged to stay.
That the islands have been continuously and peacefully occupied by the UK since 1833, with the exception of 2 months of illegal occupation by Argentina.
That the Arana-Southern Treaty of 1850 (the 'Convention of Settlement'), ended all possible claims by Argentina on the Falkland Islands.
That Argentine leaders indicated in the 1860s that there was no dispute between Argentina and Britain, and that Argentine maps printed between 1850 and 1884 did not show the islands as part of Argentina.
That the UN Special Committee on Decolonization resolutions calling for negotiations "are flawed because they make no reference to the Islanders' right to choose their own future".
The European Union Treaty of Lisbon ratifies that the Falkland Islands belong to Britain.

[The Emerald Dragon]

Wow you seem to be an astrologer ?

No, We don't know that yet and giving a country like Britain even the littlest of advantage in this matter is dangerous

... Do you even know what a fucking astrologer is? And what the fuck does it have to do with a treaty over a fucking continent?

And yes we do know that because no country in the world is ever going to waste time, money, resources and people to colonize Antarctica, it is a giant slab of ice and rock. The only interest people have in it is fucking research.

Hush now.

Manisdog is probably one of the servants he claims to despise.

[Ostroeuropa]

Wow you seem to be an astrologer ?

No, We don't know that yet and giving a country like Britain even the littlest of advantage in this matter is dangerous

yes we do know that because no country in the world is ever going to waste time, money, resources and people to colonize Antarctica, it is a giant slab of ice and rock. The only interest people have in it is fucking research.

Consults astrologers for predictions of the future.
It's all coming together.

[Newfoundland-Labrador]

Anyone have any idea how Argentina would react if London sold the Islands to Chile?

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

Your country relocated people forcefully and now why is it so wrong if it done to the British who are living on a rock named falklands, why isn't sending them back to Britain, a place where they come from somehow wrong?

They don't "come from" Britain. They've been on the Falklands a number of generations. You're literally advocating ethnic cleansing.

Sure, Britain did things wrong in the past, few people would deny that - the current generation weren't alive then and couldn't exactly do much about that. But *you* are advocating doing wrong things *now*. That makes you a bad person and you should feel bad.

So all the bad things done by your ancestors have done good things for you like you, while all the bad things done by the British have made their lives shitty but no let that be, The British must not be touched for they are gods destined to rule this world

[Calimera II]

How is this even a discussion?

The last time Argentina even officially owned the islands was nearly two hundred years ago, and the natives have said time and time again they want to remain under Britain. The only arguments remotely supporting the Argentinian claim boil down to baseless accusations of imperialism and ethnic cleansing. Essentially:

"These islands are close to my nation, therefore they are my nation's land."

No. The Argentine argument is not based on that.

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

Wow you seem to be an astrologer ?

No, We don't know that yet and giving a country like Britain even the littlest of advantage in this matter is dangerous

yes we do know that because no country in the world is ever going to waste time, money, resources and people to colonize Antarctica, it is a giant slab of ice and rock. The only interest people have in it is fucking research.

That is a load of Bullshit, Antarctica has resources lots of them...

[Dakran]

I thought south Georgia island was?

No. Tierra del Fuego is closer to Antarctica than the South Georgia is.

Ah. Always thought it was SGI. Eh, no shame in being mistaken.

[Kaztropol]

A question for imperialpowersofkorea, since this topic is up again.

One of my acquaintances, we'll call him Mr. S, is a British man, who works for the British government, in a country where the majority population are of a rather different skin colour and ethnicity. Mr S's family have lived there for well over 100 years, first moving in the time of Queen Victoria.

So, as a British man, living in a country populated by people who are not the same as him, should he continue to live there? or not ?

[Hurdegaryp]

How is this even a discussion?

The last time Argentina even officially owned the islands was nearly two hundred years ago, and the natives have said time and time again they want to remain under Britain. The only arguments remotely supporting the Argentinian claim boil down to baseless accusations of imperialism and ethnic cleansing. Essentially:

"These islands are close to my nation, therefore they are my nation's land."

You appear to be new here, so let me enlighten you: Falklands threads are the new abortion threads. But since you are new here, you probably also are not familiar with the obsession many teenage boys on this forum have with the reproductive qualities of the female body. It's all very confusing. Just stay calm and observe. I can't guarantee you'll learn something worthwhile, but at least it's free.

[Sun Wukong]

Uptil 2050 when the treaty will be re-introduced and resigned

Wow you seem to be an astrologer ?

No, We don't know that yet and giving a country like Britain even the littlest of advantage in this matter is dangerous

Wait... I know what's happening here:

You're actually British, and trying to convince yourself that Britain is still powerful enough to be dangerous to anyone.

[Calimera II]

Here's Just A Few Reason's Why They Are Ours

That self determination is a universal right enshrined in UN charter, and applies in the case of the Falkland Islanders.
That the 2013 referendum, in which 99.8% of Falklands voters voted to remain a British Overseas Territory on a 92% turnout, was an exercise in self-determination that "demonstrated beyond all doubt" the islanders' views on the dispute; and that the result should be respected by all other countries including Argentina.
That Britain both claimed and settled the islands in 1765 before Argentina existed.
That the 1771 Anglo-Spanish agreement signed preserved the claims of both Spain and Britain, not Spain alone.
That Britain abandoned its settlement in 1774 due to economic pressures, but left a plaque behind proving sovereignty was not relinquished.
That the Nootka Sound Convention only stipulated against further establishments and did not affect existing claims to sovereignty.
That uti possidetis juris "is not a universally accepted principle of international law" and Argentina could not inherit the islands upon independence anyway as Spain did not have De facto control since 1811.
That Argentina's attempts to colonise the islands were ineffectual and there was no indigenous or settled population before British settlement.
That in 1833 an Argentine garrison was expelled but the civilian residents were encouraged to stay.
That the islands have been continuously and peacefully occupied by the UK since 1833, with the exception of 2 months of illegal occupation by Argentina.
That the Arana-Southern Treaty of 1850 (the 'Convention of Settlement'), ended all possible claims by Argentina on the Falkland Islands.
That Argentine leaders indicated in the 1860s that there was no dispute between Argentina and Britain, and that Argentine maps printed between 1850 and 1884 did not show the islands as part of Argentina.
That the UN Special Committee on Decolonization resolutions calling for negotiations "are flawed because they make no reference to the Islanders' right to choose their own future".
The European Union Treaty of Lisbon ratifies that the Falkland Islands belong to Britain.

You literally copy+pasted wikipedia. Moreover, all those points are contestable.