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The Falklands, Who Should Have Them?

Poll ended at Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:53 pm

The British, The Falklanders Themselves Want It, It's Britain's Duty To Protect Them!
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The Argentinians, The Islands Have Spanish Roots!
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Postby Dakran » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:56 pm

The only opinions that matter in this situation is the people who would be affected. Which would be the falklanders. At the current date, they want to stay with Britain. So there's the entire answer to the issue. They stay. If they wanted to join Canada, they should be allowed to. If they wanted to join Argentina, then let them. But as stated, they want to stay with Britain. So stay with Britain they shall.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:57 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Saint Kitten wrote:Do you even know what you're talking about? There is no military activity in Antarctica and British claims on the continent are hardly imperialistic considering a) the land is only used for scientific endeavors and not colonization b) considering there is still a section of unclaimed antarctic land so I don't think there is a major land rush nor will there be one in the foreseeable future c) why are you talking about Antarctica when this is about the Falkland Islands?

Falklands is just a small island used for much bigger game, It is the closest habitable place to Antarctica

Which means fuck-all in a world with jet engines.
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:57 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Saint Kitten wrote:Do you even know what you're talking about? There is no military activity in Antarctica and British claims on the continent are hardly imperialistic considering a) the land is only used for scientific endeavors and not colonization b) considering there is still a section of unclaimed antarctic land so I don't think there is a major land rush nor will there be one in the foreseeable future c) why are you talking about Antarctica when this is about the Falkland Islands?

Falklands is just a small island used for much bigger game, It is the closest habitable place to Antarctica


BULLSHIT.

I only need a map to disprove this.

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Postby Ifaltannia » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:57 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Saint Kitten wrote:Do you even know what you're talking about? There is no military activity in Antarctica and British claims on the continent are hardly imperialistic considering a) the land is only used for scientific endeavors and not colonization b) considering there is still a section of unclaimed antarctic land so I don't think there is a major land rush nor will there be one in the foreseeable future c) why are you talking about Antarctica when this is about the Falkland Islands?

Falklands is just a small island used for much bigger game, It is the closest habitable place to Antarctica


So what your saying is, Britain should pack up it's research labs and leave antartica. No more research to benifit the world. And you do realise all claims on antartica are non-existent, look up the antartic treaty.
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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:57 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Your country relocated people forcefully and now why is it so wrong if it done to the British who are living on a rock named falklands, why isn't sending them back to Britain, a place where they come from somehow wrong?


The really amusing thing here is that you're arguing for me to be sent back to my ancestral homeland. I'm sure the fine people of Dublin would love the millions of 2nd and 3rd generation British people living in the North West just rocking up and demanding a Guiness.


Aren't you a little too imperialistic and Monarchist to be an Irish Catholic ?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:58 pm

Calimera II wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:Well I'm convinced. I mean, I've only got your word for it, but you don't seem biased at all.


Reality > The Malvinas are always mentioned by basically every government, no matter how (un)popular a government is at moment of mentioning the islands. Kirchner mentioned the islands in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015.


What would it take to convince you you are wrong.
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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:58 pm

Ifaltannia wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:Falklands is just a small island used for much bigger game, It is the closest habitable place to Antarctica


So what your saying is, Britain should pack up it's research labs and leave antartica. No more research to benifit the world. And you do realise all claims on antartica are non-existent, look up the antartic treaty.


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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:58 pm

Calimera II wrote:No. You are wrong. The british stopped claiming the Islands and the Queen didn't even mentioned them for a very, very long time.

So Argentinians think that a country's claim to a territory is dependent on how often their head of state mentions the aforementioned territory?

This explains so much.
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Postby Dakran » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:59 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:Falklands is just a small island used for much bigger game, It is the closest habitable place to Antarctica


No. That would be Tierra del Fuego.

I thought south Georgia island was?
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Postby Sun Wukong » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:59 pm

Calimera II wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:Well I'm convinced. I mean, I've only got your word for it, but you don't seem biased at all.


Reality > The Malvinas are always mentioned by basically every government, no matter how (un)popular a government is at moment of mentioning the islands. Kirchner mentioned the islands in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015.

Do you seriously believe I was suggesting that Argentina is currently an unpopular Junta? Obviously I'm referring to the origin if the issue, but it's interesting that you need to strawman.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:59 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
The really amusing thing here is that you're arguing for me to be sent back to my ancestral homeland. I'm sure the fine people of Dublin would love the millions of 2nd and 3rd generation British people living in the North West just rocking up and demanding a Guiness.


Aren't you a little too imperialistic and Monarchist to be an Irish Catholic ?


Fartsniffage is a monarchist?
You're shitting me.
I didn't know that.
I mean, that's assuming you got it right and aren't just throwing that term out there where it doesn't apply like the imperialistic bit.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:59 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:The really amusing thing here is that you're arguing for me to be sent back to my ancestral homeland. I'm sure the fine people of Dublin would love the millions of 2nd and 3rd generation British people living in the North West just rocking up and demanding a Guiness.

Aren't you a little too imperialistic and Monarchist to be an Irish Catholic ?

It may be very well possible that your point of view is not entirely consistent with the actual reality as it presents itself.
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:59 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Ifaltannia wrote:
So what your saying is, Britain should pack up it's research labs and leave antartica. No more research to benifit the world. And you do realise all claims on antartica are non-existent, look up the antartic treaty.


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Britain won't move to get them - I can assure you.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:59 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
The really amusing thing here is that you're arguing for me to be sent back to my ancestral homeland. I'm sure the fine people of Dublin would love the millions of 2nd and 3rd generation British people living in the North West just rocking up and demanding a Guiness.


Aren't you a little too imperialistic and Monarchist to be an Irish Catholic ?


Aren't you a little bit too racist to be able to bang on about other people's guilt for historical racism.
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Postby Newfoundland-Labrador » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:00 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Calimera II wrote:No. You are wrong. The british stopped claiming the Islands and the Queen didn't even mentioned them for a very, very long time.

So Argentinians think that a country's claim to a territory is dependent on how often their head of state mentions the aforementioned territory?

This explains so much.

Actually that would make a whole lot of sense.
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Postby Saint Kitten » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:00 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Saint Kitten wrote:Do you even know what you're talking about? There is no military activity in Antarctica and British claims on the continent are hardly imperialistic considering a) the land is only used for scientific endeavors and not colonization b) considering there is still a section of unclaimed antarctic land so I don't think there is a major land rush nor will there be one in the foreseeable future c) why are you talking about Antarctica when this is about the Falkland Islands?

Falklands is just a small island used for much bigger game, It is the closest habitable place to Antarctica

I think you're trying to draw in a continent that has nothing to do with the topic. What do you think they're doing there, making some uber-secret military base full of nukes and alien ships?

This has to do with the fact that Falkland Islanders (or is it Fawlanders?) want to stay under British domain and Argentina wants to wrestle away control, all the while screaming 'stop the imperialism!' when that is clearly not the case.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:00 pm

Dakran wrote:The only opinions that matter in this situation is the people who would be affected. Which would be the falklanders. At the current date, they want to stay with Britain. So there's the entire answer to the issue. They stay. If they wanted to join Canada, they should be allowed to. If they wanted to join Argentina, then let them. But as stated, they want to stay with Britain. So stay with Britain they shall.

The Canadian Falklands, eh? I must admit, that has a nice ring to it.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Val Halla » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:01 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Aren't you a little too imperialistic and Monarchist to be an Irish Catholic ?


Aren't you a little bit too racist to be able to bang on about other people's guilt for historical racism.

My Great Uncle fought in WW2 for the Germans. I suppose that would make me a Nazi, right?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:01 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
The really amusing thing here is that you're arguing for me to be sent back to my ancestral homeland. I'm sure the fine people of Dublin would love the millions of 2nd and 3rd generation British people living in the North West just rocking up and demanding a Guiness.


Aren't you a little too imperialistic and Monarchist to be an Irish Catholic ?


I never claimed to be Irish Catholic. I claimed to be British, but according to your logic I can't be because I'm only 3rd generation British and not even 9 generations makes the place of ones birth their homeland.

So Ireland here I come, along with a couple of million of other 2nd and 3rd generation British Irish from my local area. I hope they're stock up on tea and crumpets over there...

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Postby Ifaltannia » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:01 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Ifaltannia wrote:
So what your saying is, Britain should pack up it's research labs and leave antartica. No more research to benifit the world. And you do realise all claims on antartica are non-existent, look up the antartic treaty.


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Postby New Frenco Empire » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:01 pm

They are British...The Malvinas do not exist...Argentina is basically South American Russia and Kirchner is Rule 63 Putin...Argentina is free to come and 'liberate' them, but I doubt it'll be any prettier this time around.

Oh, and the British aren't trying to conquer Antarctica.

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Postby Calimera II » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:01 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:So prove it then.

Okay: When, in the 1790 Convention, Great Britain recognized the status quo existing in the South of America, she was thereby giving the definitive legal proof of her lack of grounds upon which to base her claims to set up settlements of any permanence in the Malvinas. It is, by the same token, one of the grounds for the Argentine claims over the Islands of the South. The English had no right to people the South of the coasts or Islands already occupied by Spain, that is to say. Including the South of the Malvinas and of Puerto Deseado in the Patagonia. Regarding the Malvinas themselves, there had been a renunciation of any rights England might have contended, for the commitment was not to settle any place already occupied by Spain, aside from not sailing within 10 leagues of the coast.In one word, gentlemen after Great Britain’s voluntary abandonment of Port Egmont in 1774, Spain was left as unchallenged and unchallengeable Mistress of the Malvinas Islands, and as such, she exercised absolute sovereignty over them, she occupied them, she designated authorities for them, without the slightest protest on the part of Great Britain. International instruments of the nature of those I have just cited were signed, which even reaffirmed Spain’s rights, and these were the rights that the Argentine Republic inherited in 1810.

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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:01 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Aren't you a little too imperialistic and Monarchist to be an Irish Catholic ?


I never claimed to be Irish Catholic. I claimed to be British, but according to your logic I can't be because I'm only 3rd generation British and not even 9 generations makes the place of ones birth their homeland.

So Ireland here I come, along with a couple of million of other 2nd and 3rd generation British Irish from my local area. I hope they're stock up on tea and crumpets over there...


Better get my bags packed then.

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Postby Chameliya » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:02 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Ifaltannia wrote:
So what your saying is, Britain should pack up it's research labs and leave antartica. No more research to benifit the world. And you do realise all claims on antartica are non-existent, look up the antartic treaty.


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Hahaha :rofl: You seriously believe the UK government plans as long-term that?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:02 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Aren't you a little too imperialistic and Monarchist to be an Irish Catholic ?


I never claimed to be Irish Catholic. I claimed to be British, but according to your logic I can't be because I'm only 3rd generation British and not even 9 generations makes the place of ones birth their homeland.

So Ireland here I come, along with a couple of million of other 2nd and 3rd generation British Irish from my local area. I hope they're stock up on tea and crumpets over there...


I'm half-irish. I'll come.
It'll be hysterical when we all vote to rejoin the UK. I suspect the irish 2nd/3rd/4th/5th generation british may outnumber the irish.
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