Fawklands, Who Should Have Them?

[Costa Fierro]

This is false.

It isn't. Everything about Vernet and the incident with the Americans actually happened. Just because it doesn't fit with the Argentine narrative doesn't make it false.

We had the same discussion last time. You should really read books instead of biased sources.

That would be like me asking you to stop being Argentine. Either debate the points or accept that you are wrong.

[Ifaltannia]

There's a big gap in the logic here which you keep refusing to address and which is why no-one is taking you seriously. The two cases aren't even related. Your argument seems to be that because something wrong was done in the past to one group of people, another wrong thing needs to be done to an entirely different group of people. Why? Spite? Racism? You need to show your working because at the moment you're just asserting a string of unrelated things and making complete non sequiturs.

If the British can forcefully relocate people from their homes, why can't the British be relocated forcefully back to their home ?

If The Spanish forcefully relocate native south americans, why can't the spanish be relocated forcefully back to their home? (Yes, I mean you argentina)

[Dumb Ideologies]

There's a big gap in the logic here which you keep refusing to address and which is why no-one is taking you seriously. The two cases aren't even related. Your argument seems to be that because something wrong was done in the past to one group of people, another wrong thing needs to be done to an entirely different group of people. Why? Spite? Racism? You need to show your working because at the moment you're just asserting a string of unrelated things and making complete non sequiturs.

If the British can forcefully relocate people from their homes, why can't the British be relocated forcefully back to their home ?

I'll keep this simple.

1. You are asserting that it is wrong for non-British people to be forcefully relocated, but that it is right for British people to be forcefully relocated.
2. Therefore you hold different standards of treatment for British people than you do for non-British people.
3. Therefore you are a racist.

Game, set, match.

[Chameliya]

Literally all you ever give us is "ME ANGRY" and "BRITAIN SMASH!", you really don't get to cast aspersions.

Think about it for a moment. Which is more likely - everyone else here is a pro-imperialist British shill, or are you the one with the bizarre opinions? In every single debate you always end up entirely on your own, no-one of any shade of political opinion wants to be associated with hateful anglophobic tripe. The penny's got to drop at some point.

Well that is because you don't read and color my opinions to suite your bizarre agenda, I rather be alone than side with the British, It is better to oppose imperialism alone if anything.

Well that's rather irrational. If the British were leading an international crackdown on war criminals and human rights abusers would you oppose them just because they're British? That's borderline racist.

We can argue about the past forever but it doesn't change the fact that the Falklanders are British, have been for years, and remain to want to. What we do now and in the future matters more than what happened centuries ago. Bearing grudges doesn't build peace.

[The Emerald Dragon]

If the British can forcefully relocate people from their homes, why can't the British be relocated forcefully back to their home ?

I'll keep this simple.

1. You are asserting that it is wrong for non-British people to be forcefully relocated, but that it is right for British people to be forcefully relocated.
2. Therefore you hold different standards of treatment for British people than you do for non-British people.
3. Therefore you are a racist.

Game, set, match.

Manisdog is basically India's Hitler - true story.

[Planita]

If the British can forcefully relocate people from their homes, why can't the British be relocated forcefully back to their home ?

I'll keep this simple.

1. You are asserting that it is wrong for non-British people to be forcefully relocated, but that it is right for British people to be forcefully relocated.
2. Therefore you hold different standards of treatment for British people than you do for non-British people.
3. Therefore you are a racist.

Game, set, match.

*flies over his head*

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

If the British can forcefully relocate people from their homes, why can't the British be relocated forcefully back to their home ?

I'll keep this simple.

1. You are asserting that it is wrong for non-British people to be forcefully relocated, but that it is right for British people to be forcefully relocated.
2. Therefore you hold different standards of treatment for British people than you do for non-British people.
3. Therefore you are a racist.

Game, set, match.

Your country relocated people forcefully and now why is it so wrong if it done to the British who are living on a rock named falklands, why isn't sending them back to Britain, a place where they come from somehow wrong?

[Calimera II]

This is false.

It isn't. Everything about Vernet and the incident with the Americans actually happened. Just because it doesn't fit with the Argentine narrative doesn't make it false.

We had the same discussion last time. You should really read books instead of biased sources.

That would be like me asking you to stop being Argentine. Either debate the points or accept that you are wrong.

No. You are wrong. The british stopped claiming the Islands and the Queen didn't even mentioned them for a very, very long time. I am not going to discuss this with you because you'll never give in.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'll keep this simple.

1. You are asserting that it is wrong for non-British people to be forcefully relocated, but that it is right for British people to be forcefully relocated.
2. Therefore you hold different standards of treatment for British people than you do for non-British people.
3. Therefore you are a racist.

Game, set, match.

Your country relocated people forcefully and now why is it so wrong if it done to the British who are living on a rock named falklands, why isn't sending them back to Britain, a place where they come from somehow wrong?

Because the forceful relocation thing was agreed to be a shitty thing to do to people, so humanity got together and agreed to cut it out.

[Ifaltannia]

I'll keep this simple.

1. You are asserting that it is wrong for non-British people to be forcefully relocated, but that it is right for British people to be forcefully relocated.
2. Therefore you hold different standards of treatment for British people than you do for non-British people.
3. Therefore you are a racist.

Game, set, match.

Your country relocated people forcefully and now why is it so wrong if it done to the British who are living on a rock named falklands, why isn't sending them back to Britain, a place where they come from somehow wrong?

You Can Say the same for the Spanish with Argentina. just saying

[Val Halla]

I'll keep this simple.

1. You are asserting that it is wrong for non-British people to be forcefully relocated, but that it is right for British people to be forcefully relocated.
2. Therefore you hold different standards of treatment for British people than you do for non-British people.
3. Therefore you are a racist.

Game, set, match.

Your country relocated people forcefully and now why is it so wrong if it done to the British who are living on a rock named falklands, why isn't sending them back to Britain, a place where they come from somehow wrong?

The past. Just because our ancestors committed crimes doesn't mean we have to be convicted for them.

[Saint Kitten]

Right then, very good, any idea how we'd prop up the Falklands on their own? or is there an alternative to Falklander independence?

The only sane solution I think to this as that Britain renounces it's claim to Antarctica and demilitarizes that area than I would even consider supporting Britain's claim or being silent about it

Do you even know what you're talking about? There is no military activity in Antarctica and British claims on the continent are hardly imperialistic considering a) the land is only used for scientific endeavors and not colonization b) considering there is still a section of unclaimed antarctic land so I don't think there is a major land rush nor will there be one in the foreseeable future c) why are you talking about Antarctica when this is about the Falkland Islands?

[Planita]

I'll keep this simple.

1. You are asserting that it is wrong for non-British people to be forcefully relocated, but that it is right for British people to be forcefully relocated.
2. Therefore you hold different standards of treatment for British people than you do for non-British people.
3. Therefore you are a racist.

Game, set, match.

Your country relocated people forcefully and now why is it so wrong if it done to the British who are living on a rock named falklands, why isn't sending them back to Britain, a place where they come from somehow wrong?

Because things have changed and relocation is no longer acceptable

[Sun Wukong]

7. The only reason Argentina is even seriously interested, is because the issue was used as a rallying cry by a desperate and unpopular Argentine Junta, in an effort to rally the populace behind them.

Another argument that is false.

Well I'm convinced. I mean, I've only got your word for it, but you don't seem biased at all.

[The Emerald Dragon]

I'll keep this simple.

1. You are asserting that it is wrong for non-British people to be forcefully relocated, but that it is right for British people to be forcefully relocated.
2. Therefore you hold different standards of treatment for British people than you do for non-British people.
3. Therefore you are a racist.

Game, set, match.

Your country relocated people forcefully and now why is it so wrong if it done to the British who are living on a rock named falklands, why isn't sending them back to Britain, a place where they come from somehow wrong?

I know you hate Britain for some relatives dying in British India(which we don't even know is true and could just be some BS to make you feel better about your Anglophobia)

but...

It's wrong to relocate, it's racist, it's genocide...

(Course, it's not genocide when it's Western in Manisdog's eyes)

[Costa Fierro]

No. You are wrong.

So prove it then.

The british stopped claiming the Islands and the Queen didn't even mentioned them for a very, very long time.

Prove it.

I am not going to discuss this with you because you'll never give in.

I will concede the point when you prove to me that I am wrong.

[Hurdegaryp]

Your country relocated people forcefully and now why is it so wrong if it done to the British who are living on a rock named falklands, why isn't sending them back to Britain, a place where they come from somehow wrong?

You Can Say the same for the Spanish with Argentina. just saying

Indeed. There's a reason why there are hardly any aboriginal people left in Argentina.

[Benuty]

The people on the islands should have them. Many of them are native to the islands, and recently voted to stay British citizens.

Hell many of them are 9th generation islanders, and that ungrateful toad on the mainland says their opinion doesn't matter.

Yes because someone who was never lived on the islands clearly knows how they feel about the situation better than the islanders.

[Fartsniffage]

I'll keep this simple.

1. You are asserting that it is wrong for non-British people to be forcefully relocated, but that it is right for British people to be forcefully relocated.
2. Therefore you hold different standards of treatment for British people than you do for non-British people.
3. Therefore you are a racist.

Game, set, match.

Your country relocated people forcefully and now why is it so wrong if it done to the British who are living on a rock named falklands, why isn't sending them back to Britain, a place where they come from somehow wrong?

The really amusing thing here is that you're arguing for me to be sent back to my ancestral homeland. I'm sure the fine people of Dublin would love the millions of 2nd and 3rd generation British people living in the North West just rocking up and demanding a Guiness.

[The Two Jerseys]

stuff

Now don't make these threads, I think these threads about Falklands should stop

Apparently your thoughts on Falklands threads aren't as strong as your hatred of Britain.

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

The only sane solution I think to this as that Britain renounces it's claim to Antarctica and demilitarizes that area than I would even consider supporting Britain's claim or being silent about it

Do you even know what you're talking about? There is no military activity in Antarctica and British claims on the continent are hardly imperialistic considering a) the land is only used for scientific endeavors and not colonization b) considering there is still a section of unclaimed antarctic land so I don't think there is a major land rush nor will there be one in the foreseeable future c) why are you talking about Antarctica when this is about the Falkland Islands?

Falklands is just a small island used for much bigger game, It is the closest habitable place to Antarctica

[Dooom35796821595]

The only sane solution I think to this as that Britain renounces it's claim to Antarctica and demilitarizes that area than I would even consider supporting Britain's claim or being silent about it

Demilitarize with an irredentist power right next door?
You wot m8

If Argentina cools it's jets and renounces it's claim maybe.

Didn't you see that thread? The UK blocked the sale of new jets to Argentina and the old ones won't power down.

I'm sorry, that was awful.

[Calimera II]

Another argument that is false.

Well I'm convinced. I mean, I've only got your word for it, but you don't seem biased at all.

Reality > The Malvinas are always mentioned by basically every government, no matter how (un)popular a government is at moment of mentioning the islands. Kirchner mentioned the islands in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015.

[Costa Fierro]

Do you even know what you're talking about? There is no military activity in Antarctica and British claims on the continent are hardly imperialistic considering a) the land is only used for scientific endeavors and not colonization b) considering there is still a section of unclaimed antarctic land so I don't think there is a major land rush nor will there be one in the foreseeable future c) why are you talking about Antarctica when this is about the Falkland Islands?

Falklands is just a small island used for much bigger game, It is the closest habitable place to Antarctica

No. That would be Tierra del Fuego.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I'll keep this simple.

1. You are asserting that it is wrong for non-British people to be forcefully relocated, but that it is right for British people to be forcefully relocated.
2. Therefore you hold different standards of treatment for British people than you do for non-British people.
3. Therefore you are a racist.

Game, set, match.

Your country relocated people forcefully and now why is it so wrong if it done to the British who are living on a rock named falklands, why isn't sending them back to Britain, a place where they come from somehow wrong?

They don't "come from" Britain. They've been on the Falklands a number of generations. You're literally advocating ethnic cleansing.

Sure, Britain did things wrong in the past, few people would deny that - the current generation weren't alive then and couldn't exactly do much about that. But *you* are advocating doing wrong things *now*. That makes you a bad person and you should feel bad.