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The Falklands, Who Should Have Them?

Poll ended at Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:53 pm

The British, The Falklanders Themselves Want It, It's Britain's Duty To Protect Them!
363
90%
The Argentinians, The Islands Have Spanish Roots!
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10%
 
Total votes : 404

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Imperialpowersofkorea
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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:29 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:Make another thread with this non sense


How about you just stop posting, hmm? No more of this derail?

Why don't all of you stop posting instead of asking me, and why don't you start acting a little ethical and make debates proper but that is too much to expect from your side of the argument
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Postby Ifaltannia » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:29 pm

So Argentinians, do you see why we hold the Falklands

1. The People Of The Islands Want Us To
2. The UN Actively Backs Up Our Claim But Not Yours
3. Your Claim Was Outdated in 1853 At The Latest
4. The Spanish roots are a cute story, but dont affect anyone on the island apart from the wars you started
5. We had the islands before spain after we took them from the french
6. We had them before you even existed as a country
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The Wolven League
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Postby The Wolven League » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:30 pm

Calimera II wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:Apologies. Research stations.


What Herargon wrote is false. Moreover, every heard of the Argentine settlement of Esperanza?

I had a feeling Heragon was just being nationalistic.
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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:30 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:Your jokes are not funny, they just cheapen the atmosphere


Dear Lord. You don't really believe that your posts carry an air of gravitas, do you, boy?

You do realize that your constant expansionism has cost the world dearly and we don't need British expansionism any more
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Postby Sanctissima » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:31 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
How about you just stop posting, hmm? No more of this derail?

Why don't all of you stop posting instead of asking me, and why don't you start acting a little ethical and make debates proper but that is too much to expect from your side of the argument


Ethical?

You're the one advocating mass deportations.

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Postby The Wolven League » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:31 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Dear Lord. You don't really believe that your posts carry an air of gravitas, do you, boy?

You do realize that your constant expansionism has cost the world dearly and we don't need British expansionism any more

British expansionism died in the mid 20th century, your argument is invalid. Name a recent British conquest, for example.
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The Emerald Dragon
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:31 pm

Calimera II wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:Apologies. Research stations.


What Herargon wrote is false. Moreover, every heard of the Argentine settlement of Esperanza?


I like you. Unlike hyposhite over there, you actually attempt to provide a decent argument for your view instead of "BRITISH BAD!!!!!"

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Postby Calimera II » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:31 pm

Ifaltannia wrote:So Argentinians, do you see why we hold the Falklands

1. The People Of The Islands Want Us To
2. The UN Actively Backs Up Our Claim But Not Yours
3. Your Claim Was Outdated in 1853 At The Latest
4. The Spanish roots are a cute story, but dont affect anyone on the island apart from the wars you started
5. We had the islands before spain after we took them from the french
6. We had them before you even existed as a country


1. You mean the implanted population?
2. False
3. False
4. But you left and didn't claim them; changed your geopolitical policies in the 30s of the 19th century and decided to occupy the islands.
5. And you left
6. And you left

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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:32 pm

Sanctissima wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:Why don't all of you stop posting instead of asking me, and why don't you start acting a little ethical and make debates proper but that is too much to expect from your side of the argument


Ethical?

You're the one advocating mass deportations.

Your side makes the arguements personal

And the British have already done these so called mass deportations but they don't matter do they because no white people were deported
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Postby Saint Kitten » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:32 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
How about you just stop posting, hmm? No more of this derail?

Why don't all of you stop posting instead of asking me, and why don't you start acting a little ethical and make debates proper but that is too much to expect from your side of the argument

NSG having a "proper" debate? Hilarious
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:33 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:
Ethical?

You're the one advocating mass deportations.

Your side makes the arguements personal

And the British have already done these so called mass deportations but they don't matter do they because no white people were deported


You're the one who's advocating genocide. Stop doing that and maybe people will take you more seriously.

And if you want to talk about what happened in Chagos then start a thread about it. You'd probably be surprised by the results. ;)
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Postby Planita » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:33 pm

Manisdog is here... oh sh*t

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Postby The Wolven League » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:33 pm

Planita wrote:Manisdog is here... oh sh*t

Run and hide while you can. Get a gun, if possible.
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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:33 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:Your side makes the arguements personal

And the British have already done these so called mass deportations but they don't matter do they because no white people were deported


You're the one who's advocating genocide. Stop doing that and maybe people will take you more seriously.

Not advocating Genocide, the British who live in falklands can live happily in Britain
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Postby Val Halla » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:33 pm

Saint Kitten wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:Why don't all of you stop posting instead of asking me, and why don't you start acting a little ethical and make debates proper but that is too much to expect from your side of the argument

NSG having a "proper" debate? Hilarious

Imma just gonna take that one...
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Postby Newfoundland-Labrador » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:34 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Newfoundland-Labrador wrote:Mate, I'll one up you, Thatcher was to blame for the war in the first place, shes the one who decided to lower the garrison after all. I couldn't give a hapenny shite about Thatcher or the conservatives, I'm a leftist, through and through, doubtlessly. That post was more so a critic on the number of quasi-political self proclaimed socialists I've met that are all for handing the Islands over on account of some vague notions of 'anti imperialism'.


You mean the Thatcher who tried to come to a deal with Argentina involving handing the islands over before the Argentine invasion? She was the one responsible after she literally tried to give them back?

I'm no fan of the woman but you need to get your facts straight in this case.

To call her "responsible" on the grounds of lowering the troop garrison I'll admit is more less bullshit I'll admit, and I'm probably making an arse of myself and shit talking tonight anyways. Most people who've looked into the war don't have a hard time figuring out that it was Galtieri's doing and that the war was supposed to help keep people rallied behind the Junta, sure. But to make it clear again, the original post was directed towards a number of people I've ran into when discussing the issue, and was probably to broad a generalization to post in a topic where clearly not everyone would have had the same experiences as I have.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:34 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
How about you just stop posting, hmm? No more of this derail?

Why don't all of you stop posting instead of asking me, and why don't you start acting a little ethical and make debates proper but that is too much to expect from your side of the argument


Literally all you ever give us is "ME ANGRY" and "BRITAIN SMASH!", you really don't get to cast aspersions.

Think about it for a moment. Which is more likely - everyone else here is a pro-imperialist British shill, or are you the one with the bizarre opinions? In every single debate you always end up entirely on your own, no-one of any shade of political opinion wants to be associated with hateful anglophobic tripe. The penny's got to drop at some point.
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Postby Planita » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:34 pm

The Wolven League wrote:
Planita wrote:Manisdog is here... oh sh*t

Run and hide while you can. Get a gun, if possible.

or a god mod

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Postby The Wolven League » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:34 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
You're the one who's advocating genocide. Stop doing that and maybe people will take you more seriously.

Not advocating Genocide, the British who live in falklands can live happily in Britain

Almost everyone in the Falklands is British, and I don't thnk they would be happy to be deported.
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Postby Val Halla » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:34 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
You're the one who's advocating genocide. Stop doing that and maybe people will take you more seriously.

Not advocating Genocide, the British who live in falklands can live happily in Britain

Or they could stay in their homes that they built up in the Falklands?
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Postby Chameliya » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:34 pm

Now I'm not one who defends colonialism but any reasonable person would say that the Falklands are British. The people who live their voted overwhelmingly to be British and the will of the people who live on the islands overrides the hurt feelings of a brainwashed nation.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:34 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
You're the one who's advocating genocide. Stop doing that and maybe people will take you more seriously.

Not advocating Genocide, the British who live in falklands can live happily in Britain


Forced relocations are a form of genocide.

And if you want to talk about what happened in Chagos then start a thread about it. You'd probably be surprised by the results. ;)

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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:34 pm

Calimera II wrote:
Ifaltannia wrote:So Argentinians, do you see why we hold the Falklands

1. The People Of The Islands Want Us To
2. The UN Actively Backs Up Our Claim But Not Yours
3. Your Claim Was Outdated in 1853 At The Latest
4. The Spanish roots are a cute story, but dont affect anyone on the island apart from the wars you started
5. We had the islands before spain after we took them from the french
6. We had them before you even existed as a country


1. You mean the implanted population?
2. False
3. False
4. But you left and didn't claim them; changed your geopolitical policies in the 30s of the 19th century and decided to occupy the islands.
5. And you left
6. And you left


1.) Argentina's population(if it had one) was implanted too.
2.) Fair point.
3.)Nah, Ifaltannia's correct
4.) Islands should go to Spain if it has to go to anyone but Britain, not Argentina.
5.) Thought France only had a few whaling stations but no colony?
6.) Still had them before Argentina existed, see #4.

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Postby Ifaltannia » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:35 pm

Calimera II wrote:
Ifaltannia wrote:So Argentinians, do you see why we hold the Falklands

1. The People Of The Islands Want Us To
2. The UN Actively Backs Up Our Claim But Not Yours
3. Your Claim Was Outdated in 1853 At The Latest
4. The Spanish roots are a cute story, but dont affect anyone on the island apart from the wars you started
5. We had the islands before spain after we took them from the french
6. We had them before you even existed as a country


1. You mean the implanted population?
2. False
3. False
4. But you left and didn't claim them; changed your geopolitical policies in the 30s of the 19th century and decided to occupy the islands.
5. And you left
6. And you left


1. Yes, the population who took the island of the nati- oh there were none
2. The UN Does back us up, Look It Up Dumbass (Because we are in the big 5)
3. Yes, You hold onto a claim to an island your ex-overlords held for a couple years
4. We left yes, but left a plaque claiming the islands and the Falklands were always on the british map even after we left
5. See above
6.See above
Last edited by Ifaltannia on Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Current Monarch: King Aeflswin
Current Prime Minister: Radnar Verback
Current Wars: Peace
Defcon:[5] 4 3 2 1
Ifaltannia is a country in the arctic populated by Ifalts with strong Proto-Germanic roots. It's most prominent religion is Wodenism/Esetroth and the language of its people is closely related to Old-English. The country is lead by King Aeflswin with the assistance of the Current PM. The population of Ifaltannia is 2.6 Million.
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Postby Saint Kitten » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:35 pm

Val Halla wrote:
Saint Kitten wrote:NSG having a "proper" debate? Hilarious

Imma just gonna take that one...

I was just being snarky.. :(
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