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Should we have an IQ-based immigration system?

Yes
9
14%
Yes, with some alterations
5
8%
No
16
25%
Hell no
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53%
 
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Republic of Coldwater
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IQ Based Immigration

Postby Republic of Coldwater » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:02 am

Immigration, to many is a two edged sword. It can be a good thing, and a bad thing. You can have the best, and the worst of the world immigrating, at least that is the current immigration system in many nations.

Of course, cutting off immigration isn't a very good of an idea. We will see increased chances of inbreeding, and decrease genetic diversity, which isn't a very good thing to ensure the survival and health wellbeing of any country, but too much immigration can be quite detrimental to many nations, as if the immigrants are all welfare users, and consume more than they give, then they are a strain on society.

Of course, we want the best, not the worst of the world in a nation, so why don't we set an immigration quota that is based off IQ? Some think it is genetic, and in this case, we will have smarter people in the future, but others think that it is based off the education and experiences of the person, but if that person has a high IQ under this circumstance, then they would be highly educated and would therefore be beneficial to the workforce and (very likely) have highly educated children, which is beneficial to a nation.

So NSG, should we have an IQ-based immigration system?
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Postby Knockturn Alley » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:05 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:Immigration, to many is a two edged sword. It can be a good thing, and a bad thing. You can have the best, and the worst of the world immigrating, at least that is the current immigration system in many nations.

Of course, cutting off immigration isn't a very good of an idea. We will see increased chances of inbreeding, and decrease genetic diversity, which isn't a very good thing to ensure the survival and health wellbeing of any country, but too much immigration can be quite detrimental to many nations, as if the immigrants are all welfare users, and consume more than they give, then they are a strain on society.

Of course, we want the best, not the worst of the world in a nation, so why don't we set an immigration quota that is based off IQ? Some think it is genetic, and in this case, we will have smarter people in the future, but others think that it is based off the education and experiences of the person, but if that person has a high IQ under this circumstance, then they would be highly educated and would therefore be beneficial to the workforce and (very likely) have highly educated children, which is beneficial to a nation.

So NSG, should we have an IQ-based immigration system?


I would completely support this. But I strongly disagree on your implication that education increases IQ...it does not, it increases knowledge, comprehensive abilities and outlook on life, none of which have anything to do with Intelligence.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:06 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:Of course, we want the best, not the worst of the world in a nation, so why don't we set an immigration quota that is based off IQ?

Because a high IQ doesn't imply anything except a talent for IQ tests, and a talent for IQ tests is not, in and of itself, beneficial in any field of human endeavour.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:06 am

No. I don't want all those smart people without career opportunities to move here *points to several unspecified majors*
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Postby Shigiel » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:07 am

IQ measures this sort of abstract intelligence and says nothing about success in life. So no.

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Postby Knockturn Alley » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:10 am

Shigiel wrote:IQ measures this sort of abstract intelligence and says nothing about success in life. So no.


It does imply a high potential for success
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:13 am

Knockturn Alley wrote:
Shigiel wrote:IQ measures this sort of abstract intelligence and says nothing about success in life. So no.


It does imply a high potential for success

Only if by "success" you mean "scoring well in IQ tests".
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:33 am

I mean, if you want all immigrants to be professional IQ test-takers, sure, go ahead.

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Postby Allegan County » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:34 am

That's the most stupid idea I've heard in a while.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:36 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:So NSG, should we have an IQ-based immigration system?


Assuming, of course, that the IQ has some sort of scientific or sociological validity.

Which is quite the assumption.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:38 am

All the countries would be begging for me to immigrate to their country. ;)
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Postby Wombocombo » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:39 am

Only if we get IQ based private websites and the like.
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Postby Agritum » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:50 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:Immigration, to many is a two edged sword. It can be a good thing, and a bad thing. You can have the best, and the worst of the world immigrating, at least that is the current immigration system in many nations.

Of course, cutting off immigration isn't a very good of an idea. We will see increased chances of inbreeding, and decrease genetic diversity, which isn't a very good thing to ensure the survival and health wellbeing of any country, but too much immigration can be quite detrimental to many nations, as if the immigrants are all welfare users, and consume more than they give, then they are a strain on society.

Of course, we want the best, not the worst of the world in a nation, so why don't we set an immigration quota that is based off IQ? Some think it is genetic, and in this case, we will have smarter people in the future, but others think that it is based off the education and experiences of the person, but if that person has a high IQ under this circumstance, then they would be highly educated and would therefore be beneficial to the workforce and (very likely) have highly educated children, which is beneficial to a nation.

So NSG, should we have an IQ-based immigration system?

The U.S. is already pretty restricting when it comes to Green Cards.Relatives of permanent residents excluded, all the other categories are mostly restricted to highly skilled professionals, people with advanced degrees and investors. All those categories tend to be pretty high IQ, or valuable in some way.
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Postby Lordieth » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:52 am

Based on qualifications, work history, and whether or not immigrants hold criminal records might be a start, but the E.U can't even get those right.
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Postby Chaunceys » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:53 am

America is supposed to be a nation were everyone no matter who you are have an equal chance to make it. We shouldn't judge immigrants based on IQ that in my opinion would be some sort of discrimination.

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Postby Agritum » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:55 am

Chaunceys wrote:America is supposed to be a nation were everyone no matter who you are have an equal chance to make it. We shouldn't judge immigrants based on IQ that in my opinion would be some sort of discrimination.

Well, you still judge potential entries by family ties or educational degrees. Like it or not, that's a type of discrimination/selection.

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Postby Lordieth » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:56 am

Chaunceys wrote:America is supposed to be a nation were everyone no matter who you are have an equal chance to make it. We shouldn't judge immigrants based on IQ that in my opinion would be some sort of discrimination.


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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:57 am

The Neo-Confederate supports restricting opportunities for people that came after his family.

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Postby Draakonite » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:02 am

Because genetic diversity isn't a concern only for isle nation with a pop of 13...
In my opinion experience matters more than some arbitrary test.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:21 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:Immigration, to many is a two edged sword. It can be a good thing, and a bad thing. You can have the best, and the worst of the world immigrating, at least that is the current immigration system in many nations.

Of course, cutting off immigration isn't a very good of an idea. We will see increased chances of inbreeding, and decrease genetic diversity, which isn't a very good thing to ensure the survival and health wellbeing of any country, but too much immigration can be quite detrimental to many nations, as if the immigrants are all welfare users, and consume more than they give, then they are a strain on society.

Of course, we want the best, not the worst of the world in a nation, so why don't we set an immigration quota that is based off IQ? Some think it is genetic, and in this case, we will have smarter people in the future, but others think that it is based off the education and experiences of the person, but if that person has a high IQ under this circumstance, then they would be highly educated and would therefore be beneficial to the workforce and (very likely) have highly educated children, which is beneficial to a nation.

So NSG, should we have an IQ-based immigration system?


seems logical

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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:24 am

Completely Against. This is an undo government burden on immigrants.

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Postby Maineiacs » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:26 am

Would this include a proviso that anyone already here, whether born here or not, who didn't pass muster leave? If so, I might actually get behind that.
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Postby Bandwagon » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:26 am

Against. It would be discriminatory.
Plus IQ tests are stupid. It just means you are good at the tests, not that you are smart.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:28 am

Bandwagon wrote:Against. It would be discriminatory.
Plus IQ tests are stupid. It just means you are good at the tests, not that you are smart.


since a country can only accommodate a limited number of immigrants, it has to be merit-based somehow

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Postby Benuty » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:30 am

The US already has a biased system In place lets not make it even worse for these people.
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