So NSG, what do you think of PETA

[Edgy Opinions]

Veganism as a middle class cause deserves to be silenced as morally incompetent bullshit.

Let me clap at your bullshit then.

If you make wild generalizations about people but don't think about those who have no way to follow your lifestyle, because of income, functional, sensory or health limitations, then your activism is pretty much classist and ableist, sorry.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

If you make wild generalizations about people but don't think about those who have no way to follow your lifestyle

Bullshit.

because of income

Bullshit

functional

Bullshit

sensory or health limitations

Bullshit

your activism is pretty much classist and ableist

And to put the cherry of the bullshit, empty accusation on a person accusing people of generalizations while making generalizations themselves.

Just wow.

[Edgy Opinions]

And to put the cherry of the bullshit, empty accusation on a person accusing people of generalizations while making generalizations themselves.

Just wow.

I'm not talking about Furry the vegan, I'm talking about attitudes I see in the wider vegan community. As far as my experience goes, it lacks a lot of intersectionality and awareness of problems that surround people rather than just animals.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

I'm talking about attitudes I see in the wider vegan community.

Which involve themselves in their own morals and disconnect themselves to meat.

it lacks a lot of intersectionality and awareness of problems that surround people rather than just animals.

elaborate a bit

[Farnhamia]

Honestly PETA can go die for all I care.

Advocating the death of people is a rules violation, so knock it off. Go to the top of General and review those rules.

[United Marxist Nations]

Don't like them.

[Coltpower]

i belong to the group of People Who Eat Tasty Animals

[Edgy Opinions]

I'm talking about attitudes I see in the wider vegan community.

Which involve themselves in their own morals and disconnect themselves to meat.

Do you realize ideology doesn't come into the world without also interacting with our given reality in a really complicated picture?

For example, feminism can't speak for issues solely of and gather viewpoints solely from middle class white heterosexual women, if it is supposed to talk about all of them and how they have problems due to how society and State institutions relate to women.

Veganism can be similar. If meat-eating is put like a solely ethical and environmental issue, rather than [the form as we know it as] one of capitalist exploitation that often people have no choice to engage due to various reasons, and that often people HAVE TO engage as a necessity (often because of class problems associated with how their own bodies work), then you aren't paying attention to the right people. How can you wish your values and innovation be accessible if you don't fight for means to make them so?

I see vegan restaurants and organizations and groups, and most of them have a clear middle class following. Why is it so hard for one to create an idealized diet in which high numbers of the population aren't excluded? Exactly because it's not just an issue of lifestyle or morality. It's an issue of market, and of public healthcare. It's not a question of personal choices, it's a question of neglect and predatory economic models. This isn't there to harm just animals. Caring about animals rather than giving a priority to people isn't going to help them. It isn't with idealism that you'll cut the social and structural logic responsible for all that.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

And since half of your post makes no sense in the slightest terms, and only serves to tell you know nothing about veganism, I'm moving on to what is actually understandable.

I see vegan restaurants and organizations and groups, and most of them have a clear middle class following

Then obviously you have quite a obscure and blind seeing of vegan...
Okay, first of, restaurants are supposed to be cheap? Tell me that. Whether or not it's vegan.
Secondly, No. There are organizations and groups that have upper and middle classes which still serve to the poorer class.

Not to mention, prices for meat are more expensive than fruits and vegetables. If you're going to whine about not being able to buy something you could get for 69 cents a pound when a a few ounces of meat can go for over 10 dollars, then that's just your hypocritical oxymoronic statement because you're going to complain how lower poorer class people can't buy vegetables because their too expensive, yet meat is way more expensive than vegetables, yet, you still complain on how it's "middle class"

Why is it so hard for one to create an idealized diet in which high numbers of the population aren't excluded?

Ask that to your hypocritical oxymoronic statement. If one wants to create a idealized diet, then they can depend on more healthy or less healthy or just nothing-like foods that aren't meat.

Exactly because it's not just an issue of lifestyle or morality

We just went through a whole bullshit cake. I'm not giving another serving, because if you keep having bullshit, then your argument aren't going to be anything but bullshit.

It's an issue of market, and of public healthcare.

and in flows the bullshit.

it's a question of neglect and predatory economic models.

I think I'm going to be sick.

This isn't there to harm just animals.

Going onto strawmen already? Yeesus, your cruel.

Caring about animals rather than giving a priority to people isn't going to help them.

Help who?
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[Torisakia]

I'm not too big on the veganism thing they're trying to promote, but they're not much different than other activist groups.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

I'm not too big on the veganism thing they're trying to promote, but they're not much different than other activist groups.

Problem is not a lot of activist groups aren't batshit groups.

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

Top bunch of lads

[Torisakia]

I'm not too big on the veganism thing they're trying to promote, but they're not much different than other activist groups.

Problem is not a lot of activist groups aren't batshit groups.

I meant that they're trying to promote what they believe is right (as is the goal of all activist groups). Whether they go overboard with it apparently doesn't matter to them.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Problem is not a lot of activist groups aren't batshit groups.

I meant that they're trying to promote what they believe is right (as is the goal of all activist groups). Whether they go overboard with it apparently doesn't matter to them.

It does to other groups, mainly why some of them don't like being associated with them too much.

[Need a Name]

I can't take PETA seriously. Convincing people to not eat meat is even more ridiculous than the 18th amendment.

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

I can't take PETA seriously. Convincing people to not eat meat is even more ridiculous than the 18th amendment.

Convincing people that they shouldn't eat meat is more ridiculous than legally prohibiting booze?

For fuck sake

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

I can't take PETA seriously. Convincing people to not eat meat is even more ridiculous than the 18th amendment.

Really? Fucking really?

Convincing is not the same as banning liquor by amendment of the goddamn constitution

[Edgy Opinions]

Not to mention, prices for meat are more expensive than fruits and vegetables. If you're going to whine about not being able to buy something you could get for 69 cents a pound when a a few ounces of meat can go for over 10 dollars, then that's just your hypocritical oxymoronic statement because you're going to complain how lower poorer class people can't buy vegetables because their too expensive, yet meat is way more expensive than vegetables, yet, you still complain on how it's "middle class"

You ignore so much.

Like, that things that have essential nutrients like the omegas, many sorts of micronutrients like calcium, stuff you'd usually find in meat and so on are usually found in more expensive produce like nuts, seeds, tofu, fungi and sprouts, which aren't accessible in places where the availability of agriculture-derived items is poor.

If a mostly matured/rotten plant of broccolini tends to be around 4-5 reais where I live, and my family's income divided in two (the number of people living in the house) is slightly smaller than 500 reais, this is approximately 1% of how much we have to waste. There is broccolini in the supermarkets and market-places around where I live. The items where I cited, aren't around here. Because cities and metropolitan areas have class cohort.

Most people can't also have appropriate access to healthcare, once again because of health issues, so we can't just say people can go randomly picking supplements when they can barely have how to pay urgent services, like surgeries to maintain their sight.

Not to mention that cooking just vegetables and fruit requires time and skill, because Western diets, among many others, are rather meat-oriented, and this is problematic for people who can't cook for themselves, who have to divide a kitchen with someone with other dietary habits, or who have sensory issues that list off many items.

That is not just being picky. My mom can't eat the peels of tomatoes, yellow potatoes or eggplants. She feels a severely piquant-like toxic taste, and they gets very sick. My dad has the similar problem with anything related to cucurbitaceae (melons, cucumbers, pumpkins, squash). I have a lighter version of his issue, except I can eat the sweet fruits and correctly-placed ingredients that I have less issues with, but I get sick just with the smell of chayote. This is a response to cucurbitacin, a toxic substance present in these vegetables and fruits that isn't significant when it comes to their cultivated varieties, but that some people can still strongly perceive.

People with autism spectrum conditions, and other kinds of developmentally diverse neurological wiring, often have tons of these issues. And this is when we CAN live without eating meat. There are lots of people who can't. Others have specific diets because they have certain careers or their former body care had negative results, and a non-vegan diet is the most convenient. (It's really hard to enter ketosis if you don't want to or can't eat soy protein non-stop.)

Often disabled people are poor, when they barely have financial independence, or can choose stuff for themselves.

My point stands, and you just proved it.

[United Marxist Nations]

I can't take PETA seriously. Convincing people to not eat meat is even more ridiculous than the 18th amendment.

Convincing people that they shouldn't eat meat is more ridiculous than legally prohibiting booze?

For fuck sake

Yeah, it would be more ridiculous.

[Uawc]

PETA should be dismantled for the sake of animal rights.

[New Terricon]

PETA is for the bored, edgy libertarian who thinks they will make a difference for shaming people who so much as drink milk. They employ some of the most questionable practices to execute their outrageous campaigns that don't really affect anything. On top of that, they haven't even brought any effective means to fight animal abuse that Green Peace and other groups haven't already done (plus the latter expands itself to protect the environment, a much broader and more noble cause in my opinion).
Anything PETA has done has been solely for shock value: the grotesque video games, the anti-fur campaigns, and the harassing of non vegan related services! So I have nothing good to say about them as to date.

[Iwassoclose]

I would say that they have overreached. Maybe they grew too big too quickly.

I would also call them hypocrites, I read that they kill more animals in their shelters then actual shelters.

I dislike their tactics, I think a vast majority does as well, so I can only cringe when something out of them comes out.

No doubt they have done good work. People care about animals and I think that they would support PETA more but only if they lose the extremist shit.

[Jumalariik]

Let me clap at your bullshit then.

If you make wild generalizations about people but don't think about those who have no way to follow your lifestyle, because of income, functional, sensory or health limitations, then your activism is pretty much classist and ableist, sorry.

[sarcasm]That makes sense, poor people are exempt from morality...

I think killing people is wrong. It is ok if poor people kill people, they're poor, they don't know any better.

I think rape is wrong. It is ok if people with disabilities rape people, they're disabled, they don't know any better.

So, morality is classist/ableist.[/sarcasm]

Basically, what you are saying is that not all people should seek to live morally and that living a moral life is being rich.

I don't agree with vegetarianism, but what you are saying makes little to no sense, if morals exist, they apply to everybody.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Not to mention, prices for meat are more expensive than fruits and vegetables. If you're going to whine about not being able to buy something you could get for 69 cents a pound when a a few ounces of meat can go for over 10 dollars, then that's just your hypocritical oxymoronic statement because you're going to complain how lower poorer class people can't buy vegetables because their too expensive, yet meat is way more expensive than vegetables, yet, you still complain on how it's "middle class"

You ignore so much.

Like, that things that have essential nutrients like the omegas, many sorts of micronutrients like calcium, stuff you'd usually find in meat and so on are usually found in more expensive produce like nuts, seeds, tofu, fungi and sprouts, which aren't accessible in places where the availability of agriculture-derived items is poor.

If a mostly matured/rotten plant of broccolini tends to be around 4-5 reais where I live, and my family's income divided in two (the number of people living in the house) is slightly smaller than 500 reais, this is approximately 1% of how much we have to waste. There is broccolini in the supermarkets and market-places around where I live. The items where I cited, aren't around here. Because cities and metropolitan areas have class cohort.

Most people can't also have appropriate access to healthcare, once again because of health issues, so we can't just say people can go randomly picking supplements when they can barely have how to pay urgent services, like surgeries to maintain their sight.

Not to mention that cooking just vegetables and fruit requires time and skill, because Western diets, among many others, are rather meat-oriented, and this is problematic for people who can't cook for themselves, who have to divide a kitchen with someone with other dietary habits, or who have sensory issues that list off many items.

That is not just being picky. My mom can't eat the peels of tomatoes, yellow potatoes or eggplants. She feels a severely piquant-like toxic taste, and they gets very sick. My dad has the similar problem with anything related to cucurbitaceae (melons, cucumbers, pumpkins, squash). I have a lighter version of his issue, except I can eat the sweet fruits and correctly-placed ingredients that I have less issues with, but I get sick just with the smell of chayote. This is a response to cucurbitacin, a toxic substance present in these vegetables and fruits that isn't significant when it comes to their cultivated varieties, but that some people can still strongly perceive.

People with autism spectrum conditions, and other kinds of developmentally diverse neurological wiring, often have tons of these issues. And this is when we CAN live without eating meat. There are lots of people who can't. Others have specific diets because they have certain careers or their former body care had negative results, and a non-vegan diet is the most convenient. (It's really hard to enter ketosis if you don't want to or can't eat soy protein non-stop.)

Often disabled people are poor, when they barely have financial independence, or can choose stuff for themselves.

My point stands, and you just proved it.

You ignore so much.

Oxymoron at it's finest.

Like, that things that have essential nutrients like the omegas, many sorts of micronutrients like calcium, stuff you'd usually find in meat and so on are usually found in more expensive produce like nuts, seeds, tofu, fungi and sprouts, which aren't accessible in places where the availability of agriculture-derived items is poor.

Which is why imports exist.

Most people can't also have appropriate access to healthcare, once again because of health issues, so we can't just say people can go randomly picking supplements when they can barely have how to pay urgent services, like surgeries to maintain their sight.

And this has nothing to do with what we're talking about, really.
Listen, I have lots of time, and I don't want to waste it on strawmen and anecdotals. I feel sorry for your family, but I'm not saying a word about that because there's nothing I can say on your situation. Your situation is your situation, not statistics, simple as fucking that.

People with autism spectrum conditions, and other kinds of developmentally diverse neurological wiring, often have tons of these issues. And this is when we CAN live without eating meat. There are lots of people who can't. Others have specific diets because they have certain careers or their former body care had negative results, and a non-vegan diet is the most convenient. (It's really hard to enter ketosis if you don't want to or can't eat soy protein non-stop.)

And you're not eating soy protein non stop. Maybe stop generalizing and you'd know what you're saying.

Often disabled people are poor, when they barely have financial independence, or can choose stuff for themselves.

And this is where you need to read what I say next time.

My point stands, and you just proved it.

Please excuse me while I laugh so badly at you.

[Tamoi]

I'm pro-nature, therefore I am anti-PETA. That should be obvious, because they are mutually exclusive categories.