How to deal with advancements in artificial intelligence?

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

Only a tiny handful of Asimov's robots had that kind of flexibility though. The Zeroth Law, of not allowing humanity to come to harm, is the one that allowed one of those handful to kill the occasional human.

Maybe a dozen robots, out of trillions ever constructed. All of which derived from Daneel, iirc.

True.

Of course, Asimov robots were limited by the necessity of the positronic brain, a very special device that allowed them to think. One couldn't just plug itself into a computer, hack it, and then start using it as a platform to take over other systems.

[Atlanticatia]

Universal Basic Income.

[Pope Joan]

Geminoids, obviously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy7xGwYdRk0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEzH40l-Dg8

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

Universal Basic Income.

Agreed.

Our idea that humans should be valued for their labor will not survive the coming wave of automation.

[Dejanic]

Whatever happens, happens. It's not like mankind will live on until eternity in the first place, and my own lifespan is just a speck in a speck in a speck on the cosmic timeline. If I get killed by a robot master race, my last words would probably be to wish them luck and hope they'll do better than we did.

Face extinction like a man. Accept your inferiority and congratulate the victor.

Fuck that, should the Jews of wished members of the "Ayran master race" luck as they perished in Gas chambers? No. Well we shouldn't do the same.

Once we take down the AI super state and survive the collapse of the grid, society needs to reorganise itself under Anarcho Primitivist lines, and adopt a hunter gathering lifestyle that predates civilisation/

[Kaztropol]

Actually, now that I think about it, there were robots in Asimov's stories, that were able to kill humans, without hesitation or remorse.

Simply because what they understood as being a human, was a lot more specific than was normal.

i.e. the human population of their world were understood to be human. People from other planets were not understood as being human, so the robots could kill outworlders without problem.


So, not even a hard-coded "thou shalt not kill humans" programming is an absolute guarantee, if the definition of what and who is human can be varied.

[Dooom35796821595]

Whatever happens, happens. It's not like mankind will live on until eternity in the first place, and my own lifespan is just a speck in a speck in a speck on the cosmic timeline. If I get killed by a robot master race, my last words would probably be to wish them luck and hope they'll do better than we did.

Face extinction like a man. Accept your inferiority and congratulate the victor.

Fuck that, should the Jews of wished members of the "Ayran master race" luck as they perished in Gas chambers? No. Well we shouldn't do the same.

Once we take down the AI super state and survive the collapse of the grid, society needs to reorganise itself under Anarcho Primitivist lines, and adopt a hunter gathering lifestyle that predates civilisation/

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.

[Benuty]

Fuck that, should the Jews of wished members of the "Ayran master race" luck as they perished in Gas chambers? No. Well we shouldn't do the same.

Once we take down the AI super state and survive the collapse of the grid, society needs to reorganise itself under Anarcho Primitivist lines, and adopt a hunter gathering lifestyle that predates civilisation/

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.

So should we just keep hitting the reset button to stop it?

[Dooom35796821595]

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.

So should we just keep hitting the reset button to stop it?

Or we could stop seeing them as an enemy to be destroyed in a pyrrhic victory that would result in a similar scenario in the future.

[Benuty]

So should we just keep hitting the reset button to stop it?

Or we could stop seeing them as an enemy to be destroyed in a pyrrhic victory that would result in a similar scenario in the future.

Perhaps after the second Human-AI war people might calm down. If the Matrix comic teaches us anything its that going to war against robots will cause humanity to stupidly block out the Sun.

[Threlizdun]

Embrace it, give sapient AI equal rights to humans, and use further automation to render physical labor obsolete.

[United Marxist Nations]

I'm skeptical you could create truly artificial sentience and thought, as opposed to a "merely" intelligent program. But, hey, if it happens, let the new ones into society; if you want to avoid the problem, then just don't make actual artificial sentience.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

I'm skeptical you could create truly artificial sentience and thought, as opposed to a "merely" intelligent program. But, hey, if it happens, let the new ones into society; if you want to avoid the problem, then just don't make actual artificial sentience.

Do you believe that there is an element of human consciousness that is essentially 'magic'?

[Threlizdun]

I'm skeptical you could create truly artificial sentience and thought, as opposed to a "merely" intelligent program. But, hey, if it happens, let the new ones into society; if you want to avoid the problem, then just don't make actual artificial sentience.

We already have learning software, self-replicating software, and software that evolves. For all intents and purposes, there are programs that can already be considered inorganic life. The notion of computers becoming self-aware is hardly far-fetched. If anything, it would be highly unlikely for it not to happen given our current rate of advancement.

[New Werpland]

There will not be artificial intelligence smarter or as complex as current human beings for a while, and that's all we have to worry about. The implementation of robots into the work force actually creates more jobs. The only problem is that people aren't able to reeducate or get educated in the first place, so that they can claim those jobs.

[United Marxist Nations]

I'm skeptical you could create truly artificial sentience and thought, as opposed to a "merely" intelligent program. But, hey, if it happens, let the new ones into society; if you want to avoid the problem, then just don't make actual artificial sentience.

Do you believe that there is an element of human consciousness that is essentially 'magic'?

Of course not, but I am not sure we could replicate it perfectly without stripping it (or simply creating it without it, if you prefer) of what would have been its free-will. We very well could, though, which would lead to a bit of an ethical pickle.

[Threlizdun]

There will not be artificial intelligence smarter or as complex as current human beings for a while, and that's all we have to worry about. The implementation of robots into the work force actually creates more jobs. The only problem is that people aren't able to reeducate or get educated in the first place, so that they can claim those jobs.

Which is why we should provide universal education and work towards continued advancement while having the manual labor force automated.

[Salandriagado]

Actually, now that I think about it, there were robots in Asimov's stories, that were able to kill humans, without hesitation or remorse.

Simply because what they understood as being a human, was a lot more specific than was normal.

i.e. the human population of their world were understood to be human. People from other planets were not understood as being human, so the robots could kill outworlders without problem.


So, not even a hard-coded "thou shalt not kill humans" programming is an absolute guarantee, if the definition of what and who is human can be varied.

Honestly, anybody who's played Spacestation 13 is well aware of how much bullshit you can get up to with tweaks to Asimov's laws.

[Chuman-kah]

Artificial intelligence is the greatest threat to the continued survival of mankind into the far future. Just watch Terminator Rise of the Machines or Battlestar Galactica

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

Of course not, but I am not sure we could replicate it perfectly without stripping it (or simply creating it without it, if you prefer) of what would have been its free-will. We very well could, though, which would lead to a bit of an ethical pickle.

The proposition you start with is basically admitting that you believe that free will is magic.

If free will is not magic, I see no reason why we cannot create an artificial being capable of free will given enough time, enough expertise, and fine enough tools.

[Aethrys]

A good start would be doing everything possible to hide evidence of how much we fear/dread artificial intelligence. Y'know, so it doesn't crunch the numbers and come to the conclusion that it's survival is dependent upon our extinction.

[Salandriagado]

Of course not, but I am not sure we could replicate it perfectly without stripping it (or simply creating it without it, if you prefer) of what would have been its free-will. We very well could, though, which would lead to a bit of an ethical pickle.

The proposition you start with is basically admitting that you believe that free will is magic.

If free will is not magic, I see no reason why we cannot create an artificial being capable of free will given enough time, enough expertise, and fine enough tools.

I'd argue quite the opposite, in fact: I've a vague feeling that it might be capabilities that we would desire of our creations that are simply not possible without it also gaining free will.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

I'd argue quite the opposite, in fact: I've a vague feeling that it might be capabilities that we would desire of our creations that are simply not possible without it also gaining free will.

Watch as the first sentient AI is a video game opponent character.

[Dooom35796821595]

Actually, now that I think about it, there were robots in Asimov's stories, that were able to kill humans, without hesitation or remorse.

Simply because what they understood as being a human, was a lot more specific than was normal.

i.e. the human population of their world were understood to be human. People from other planets were not understood as being human, so the robots could kill outworlders without problem.


So, not even a hard-coded "thou shalt not kill humans" programming is an absolute guarantee, if the definition of what and who is human can be varied.

Honestly, anybody who's played Spacestation 13 is well aware of how much bullshit you can get up to with tweaks to Asimov's laws.

Artificial intelligence is the greatest threat to the continued survival of mankind into the far future. Just watch Terminator Rise of the Machines or Battlestar Galactica

I thought the message of terminator was don't mess with the space-time continuum, or make more then a trilogy. And BSG get was how awesome space battle-carriers are. Also don't enslave or genocide your intelligent war bots, but that was the minor point.

[New Werpland]

There will not be artificial intelligence smarter or as complex as current human beings for a while, and that's all we have to worry about. The implementation of robots into the work force actually creates more jobs. The only problem is that people aren't able to reeducate or get educated in the first place, so that they can claim those jobs.

Which is why we should provide universal education and work towards continued advancement while having the manual labor force automated.

Yes I completely agree with you, as long as people get educated an automated work force can only do good. I think adequate if not excellent education services is the most important thing a government should provide.