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Montana lawmaker pushes ban on yoga pants, Speedos in public

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Should people be allowed to wear speedos or yoga pants in public?

Yes, people should have the right to do so.
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No, eww eww eww.
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No.(Other reasons)
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The state Montana reminds me of the movie Scarface somehow. SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND.
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Do Yoga Pants Show Too Much?

Postby Benuty » Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:55 pm

A Brief History of the GOP War on Yoga and Its Pants
A Montana state representative says the leggings ought to be illegal. Oh, and Speedos too.
DAVID A. GRAHAMFEB 11 2015, 3:40 PM ET

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This nation faces many struggles: deep deficits, malicious foreign hackers, rapidly changing climate. And yoga pants.

Perhaps you don't agree with the last item. Let Montana state Representative David Moore, a Republican from Missoula, explain the need for greater modesty. After a pack of naked bicyclists pedaled through his hometown, Moore decided the state needed to strengthen its indecent exposure laws.

The proposal would expand indecent exposure law to include any nipple exposure, including men’s, and any garment that “gives the appearance or simulates” a person’s buttocks, genitals, pelvic area or female nipple.

The Republican from Missoula said tight-fitting beige clothing could be considered indecent exposure under his proposal.

“Yoga pants should be illegal in public anyway,” Moore said after the hearing.
In a move that some civil libertarians might think gives excessive leeway to police—especially given recent controversies over unnecessary use of force by law enforcement in Missouri, New York, and elsewhere—Moore thinks it'd be fine if police arrested more violators of the law.

One might reasonably point out that this involves a great deal of subjectivity and could be a sweeping violation of free speech, but the Supreme Court has deemed nudity laws constitutional. One might find the obsession with modesty Victorian at best and Wahhabist at worst. One might also argue that such a law could have a disparate impact on women, who tend to wear more tight-fitting clothing than men. The effect would be even greater if applied to yoga pants. As Moore's colleague Virginia Court understatedly put it, "I think you are kind of being a little prejudiced against women."

One might point out that this involves a great deal of subjectivity, but the Supreme Court has deemed nudity laws constitutional.
Not that indecent-exposure laws aren't often gender-biased to begin with. The "Free the Nipple" campaign released a film in 2014 and has recruited celebrities into its drive to bring attention to laws (as well as extralegal social taboos) that bar women but not men from displaying their nipples in public. Moore's proposal at least has the benefit of gender-neutrality on nipples, and he also favors a ban on Speedos, which would seem to effect mostly men.

It's been a rough stretch, so to speak, for yoga pants, which went from unknown to must-have in no time at all. But in 2013, Lululemon, perhaps the best-known purveyor, had to recall a jaw-dropping 17 percent of its inventory of the stretchy garments because they were made too thin and consequently were translucent. The horrified reaction by consumers to the too-thin pants suggests that woman are conscious of the dangers of the leggings without Representative Moore's intervention.

It's not the first time a Republican politician has gone to the mat with opponents on a yoga-related issue. During the 2013 election, Virginia lieutenant-gubernatorial candidate E.W. Jackson made a bold ploy to alienate Northern Virginia voters and was mocked for saying that yoga opened practitioners to satanic possession. But Jackson's comment wasn't actually all that radical. As Garance Franke-Ruta detailed at the time, there's a robust literature in some conservative Christian circles that objects not only to the importation of a Hindu practice but also to the spiritual approach at its heart. R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, wrote:

The bare fact is that yoga is a spiritual discipline by which the adherent is trained to use the body as a vehicle for achieving consciousness of the divine. Christians are called to look to Christ for all that we need and to obey Christ through obeying his Word. We are not called to escape the consciousness of this world by achieving an elevated state of consciousness, but to follow Christ in the way of faithfulness.
Even Pope Benedict has reservations about yoga. There is, however, a Christian alternative to yoga, for the believer who also wants a good stretching exercise. (It's called PraiseMoves.)

Back in Montana, Moore would also like to loosen the penalties associated with indecent exposure. First and second offenses currently carry fines of up to $500 and six months in jail, and $1,000 and one year in jail, he would leave those in place. But he would lower the penalty for a third offense from fines of up to $10,000 and up to life imprisonment, reducing the upper bounds to $5,000 and five years in jail. That extra five-grand savings could pay for a pretty sweet haul at the local Lululemon. Unfortunately, there isn't a single one in the Big Sky State.


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Is that your excuse? What a prude I mean it is Montana so who could they have possibly offended?
Honestly though this seems like a really bad, and prudish idea which hopefully will not succeed (or maybe atleast the part about reducing the fines would only pass). So what say you oh unleavened, and leavened masses of NSG?
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Postby Nuwe Suid Afrika » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:00 pm

Yoga pants? No. That's just silly, everyone wears them all the time. I'm pretty sure they're for yoga, anyways.

However, I agree with everything else he's saying relative to indecent exposure. The speedos, nipples, genitals, and buttocks all need to go.


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Postby Benuty » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:01 pm

Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:Yoga pants? No. That's just silly, everyone wears them all the time. I'm pretty sure they're for yoga, anyways.

However, I agree with everything else he's saying relative to indecent exposure. The speedos, nipples, genitals, and buttocks all need to go.

So breastfeeding by your definition is indecent exposure?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:03 pm

Who did they offend exactly? All 5 people in Montana?

Bad idea is bad.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:03 pm

Yoga pants... incident exposure? What?
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Postby Arkolon » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:04 pm

Banning yoga pants would be unforgivable.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:04 pm

That'll teach those perverts at lululemon a lesson. *nod*
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Postby Nuwe Suid Afrika » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:05 pm

Benuty wrote:
Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:Yoga pants? No. That's just silly, everyone wears them all the time. I'm pretty sure they're for yoga, anyways.

However, I agree with everything else he's saying relative to indecent exposure. The speedos, nipples, genitals, and buttocks all need to go.

So breastfeeding by your definition is indecent exposure?


In public, yes. There's areas where you can breast-feed your child, such as the bathroom, or you could give them a milk solution.

I believe there was an issue for my nation about this a few months ago.


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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:06 pm

Sorry I like wearing my leggings. You can look elsewhere if you don't want to look. *By the way, why is he looking that low on people?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:06 pm

Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:
Benuty wrote:So breastfeeding by your definition is indecent exposure?


In public, yes. There's areas where you can breast-feed your child, such as the bathroom, or you could give them a milk solution.

I believe there was an issue for my nation about this a few months ago.


How exactly is breast feeding indecent exposure?
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Postby Olivaero » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:07 pm

I would state my opinion on this type of law on this but lucky me the article has done it for me

Victorian at best and Wahhabist at worst


And because it's reactionary not conservative in nature (people wear Yoga pants all the fucking time and have done for some while now) I'm gonna say it bears more semblance to the former latter.

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Postby Scomagia » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:09 pm

Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:
Benuty wrote:So breastfeeding by your definition is indecent exposure?


In public, yes. There's areas where you can breast-feed your child, such as the bathroom, or you could give them a milk solution.

I believe there was an issue for my nation about this a few months ago.

What a bunch of prudish bullshit. It's a fucking tit. You sucked on one, I sucked on one. It isn't indecent, it's the crux of life.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:11 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:
In public, yes. There's areas where you can breast-feed your child, such as the bathroom, or you could give them a milk solution.

I believe there was an issue for my nation about this a few months ago.

What a bunch of prudish bullshit. It's a fucking tit. You sucked on one, I sucked on one. It isn't indecent, it's the crux of life.


It's like he expects a baby suckling off a breast will lead to public incest. Real life is not Game of Thrones.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:12 pm

Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:
Benuty wrote:So breastfeeding by your definition is indecent exposure?


In public, yes. There's areas where you can breast-feed your child, such as the bathroom, or you could give them a milk solution.

I believe there was an issue for my nation about this a few months ago.


Considering breast feeding a child incident is incredibly stupid, no matter where it happens.
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Scomagia wrote:
Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:
In public, yes. There's areas where you can breast-feed your child, such as the bathroom, or you could give them a milk solution.

I believe there was an issue for my nation about this a few months ago.

What a bunch of prudish bullshit. It's a fucking tit. You sucked on one, I sucked on one. It isn't indecent, it's the crux of life.


Just like the lower female/male reproductive organs. Most people will generally interact with them at some point in their life for reproduction purposes. If we did it in public, it'd be indecent exposure. Just because it's the crux of life does not change the fact we can just do it in the streets, at the movies, or in a restaurant.


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Postby Scomagia » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:15 pm

Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:
Scomagia wrote:What a bunch of prudish bullshit. It's a fucking tit. You sucked on one, I sucked on one. It isn't indecent, it's the crux of life.


Just like the lower female/male reproductive organs. Most people will generally interact with them at some point in their life for reproduction purposes. If we did it in public, it'd be indecent exposure. Just because it's the crux of life does not change the fact we can just do it in the streets, at the movies, or in a restaurant.

The issue with going bottomless is that it isn't especially sanitary. Pulling out a breast to feed a child is not, in any way, dangerous to anyone.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:15 pm

Most disappointing thread 2015.
I read the first line and I already know the jist.
Screw prudes.
Am I right?
Is it prudes being prudish?

I don't even have to read further than the 1st.
Title mentions sexy stuff, first line mentions GOP.
I hope i'm right. It's prudes, isn't it.
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Postby Montanaa » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:27 pm

I haven't found it mentioned anywhere in the thread, so I should put it out there that the bill to ban yoga pants and expand the definition of "indecent exposure" was unanimously killed and Rep. Moore is facing a lot of jabs and criticism for the bill.

Still don't know how a party that runs on a smaller government, less private interference could even entertain ideas like this though. Plain hypocrisy I suppose.
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Postby AiliailiA » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:36 pm

Montanaa wrote:I haven't found it mentioned anywhere in the thread, so I should put it out there that the bill to ban yoga pants and expand the definition of "indecent exposure" was unanimously killed and Rep. Moore is facing a lot of jabs and criticism for the bill.


"Unanimously" killed implies he didn't vote for it himself! Is that correct?
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Postby Second Blazing » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:38 pm

Montanaa wrote:I haven't found it mentioned anywhere in the thread, so I should put it out there that the bill to ban yoga pants and expand the definition of "indecent exposure" was unanimously killed and Rep. Moore is facing a lot of jabs and criticism for the bill.

Still don't know how a party that runs on a smaller government, less private interference could even entertain ideas like this though. Plain hypocrisy I suppose.


Yeah, this should be in the OP, but that would contradict the whole, GOP is the evil empire vibe.
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Postby Sheltopolis » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:54 pm

Oh great, another thing Americans can declare "war" on, we definitely need more wars.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:55 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Most disappointing thread 2015.
I read the first line and I already know the jist.
Screw prudes.
Am I right?
Is it prudes being prudish?

I don't even have to read further than the 1st.
Title mentions sexy stuff, first line mentions GOP.
I hope i'm right. It's prudes, isn't it.

Not every thread can be similiar to the time the British put LSD on trial.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:55 pm

Sheltopolis wrote:Oh great, another thing Americans can declare "war" on, we definitely need more wars.


Ron Paul warned us.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:55 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Sheltopolis wrote:Oh great, another thing Americans can declare "war" on, we definitely need more wars.


Ron Paul warned us.

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