''It's All About Money''

[Imperializt Russia]

I know of one poster who claimed to have been homeless.
Can't recall the nation name, but he claimed to have lost his home to the police - he was co-sharing with a guy who was cooking meth (apparently without his knowledge), and the police seized the entire property.

He stated this while on a rant against minimum wages.

Now, THAT I might have a difficult time believing, since meth manufacture creates a particular smell, and there are very basic safety precautions that one must take in order to ensure that the house doesn't blow up.

He claimed he worked unsociable hours that the co-sharer took advantage of, doing it in the kitchen (which probably had an extractor fan system). That apparently, he never went to (because it was on the upper floor).

Still not that plausible, but that's what he said.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Now, THAT I might have a difficult time believing, since meth manufacture creates a particular smell, and there are very basic safety precautions that one must take in order to ensure that the house doesn't blow up.

He claimed he worked unsociable hours that the co-sharer took advantage of, doing it in the kitchen (which probably had an extractor fan system). That apparently, he never went to (because it was on the upper floor).

Still not that plausible, but that's what he said.

Eh, shaky, but vaguely possible, and there's really no way to tell for sure.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I was under the impression that it was all about that bass.

[Cannot think of a name]

I was under the impression that it was all about that bass.

No treble?

[Bearon]

I agree that it is plausible homeless people do go on the internet but I'm skeptical when somebody claims they were formerly homeless or currently homeless on a political simulator site.

What becomes hilarious is when you get to explaining why you're skeptical. With each explanation it gets more and more ridiculous. And it reveals the various cracks in your inability to relate to human beings based on your assumptions. The fact that the bulk of your social interaction appears to be online does, however, explain a great deal. Doesn't make it any less hilarious, but at least now we know how you got here from there.

Is it possible? Of course. Is it likely? Not really.

There it is, there's the kind of goofy logic we've come to love. Why is it not likely? The reason will both surprise and entertain you...

Will I believe it? Not without proof.

That's some choice grade A ego right there, man. I mean, first of all, what the fuck difference does it make? Remember, you're the one who made personal biography an issue and then went 'wa wa wa' all the way home when that personal bio did not fit your hilariously awkward and goofy conclusions.

I mean, let's revisit the clownshow assumption that started this whole kerfuffle...

And have you ever truly gone without Yum? I highly doubt it considering you have internet access.

Fucking delicious. As if internet access is a legacy gift only handed down to the well to do unless they have ever fallen from grace...then no internet access for you! Not only that, but we then find out that this appeal to biography, this notion that only someone who has never experienced poverty would say these things which kind of implies that the one making the challenge would have at least some passing experience with it...it was made by a homeschooled upper middle class 17 year old who hasn't had to pay for shit. Oh sweet sweet jeebus. I get a little giggle every time I think about someone not only typing this out but vigorously defending it like it was a goddamn virtue.

And then, as if all of that wasn't enough, to have the unmitigated balls to discount the persons story because they answered a direct fucking question. Holy shit that's awesome. Let's roll that tape again, too:

No I just don't believe him in the first place. Why would he tell me a deeply personal story about his life just for the sake of prolonging an internet argument?

Oh man, that's fucking golden. "I asked him and he answered different than my assumption so must not be true." I know, I know, you gave some weird convoluted explanation that was some sort of blather about how if you just told someone they've never been poor who has suffered through a long and arduous period of their life that was a defining moment in his life like a smug little bastard they'd just go "Yes I've been poor" or something as a response to...wait, I have to collect myself to repeat this nonsense again..."you clearly haven't been poor because you're currently on the internet."

Oh man. That's just so stupid.

Oh right. Ego. I forgot this part was about the giant bouncy balls ego it takes for this whole thing, you know, where you insist not only on biographical information to validate someone's post but then want that information proven to you because I guess to the best of your knowledge once you've been homeless you're like, "Well fuck the internet." Or something. Or because answering direct challenges is immediately suspicious. Or whatever other hilarious and inconsistent reasoning you'll come up with next.

Have I learned not to voice these doubts because apparently 20 people will jump in to tell me what a prick I am and how I have terrible grammar? Yes.

One would have hoped that you'd have learned to not make wild assumptions based on goofy ass logic to dismiss other people's arguments and instead address them for their content and not spazz out when those nutty assumptions don't bear out. But baby steps.

But the best advice at this point I can is simple: Stay down. You have made it oh so much worse with every flailing bizarre defense of you're already bizarre assumptions. Stay down.

You stepped in it. In possibly the worst way, really. Not only did you make arguments so bad that they became low hanging fruit where even the least among us get to feel like giants destroying them, but you did it to frankly the nicest guy you're going to find in the Mos Esley of the interwebs. He won't even be mean to you when you virtually punched him in the dick by denying one of his defining life experiences (Oh yeah, I left that part of the ego bit out, that this whole story was concocted solely for your benefit and not something that has been organically part of who Yummers is during the course of his posting. That's some mighty fucking ego right there.) You basically took a shit in the yard of the only guy in the neighborhood who will not only return your ball if it went in his yard but show you how to throw a knuckleball while he was at it and tell you a pretty interesting story about Ty Cobb. You not only acted like a prick, you acted like a prick to someone who is practically beloved.

Stay down. Hope that entropy kicks in and we forget who you are again.

Why should I have to explain why I'm skeptical? I assume it's pretty obvious why I would be.

So now you're saying that I am incapable of relating to human beings? Thanks a lot.

You've come to love it after only two days? My charisma must be working overtime.

"What difference does it make if somebody's telling the truth or not?" What do you even want me to say to a comment like that?

I was stating that because I believe he was saying he was still going without and I found that unlikely considering he had internet access that he was using to hop on Nation States and post in a debate thread. I probably didn't read his post through all the way and I should have just kept my mouth shut to have avoided this in the first place but alas I assumed Yum was around my age or younger and simply stating what he believed based on something he'd never experienced and I teasingly called him out on it not expecting a serious reply. I assumed and you probably know how the old saying goes.

Yeah I was caught a little off guard by his story and because of that I did instantly discount it. I shouldn't have done that regardless of my doubts.

You get quite a bit of enjoyment at finding nearly every way in the English language to call me stupid don't you.

*Shrug* No I just find it to be an unlikely set of circumstances that brought him to where he was but I've already admitted that I shouldn't have discounted what he said simply because I was doubtful.

I didn't make any assumptions. The worst you could say I did was act immature and while trying to pick apart the point of somebody I thought was a person basing their argument off of something they hadn't experienced embarrassed myself called down the wrath of several people at once and acted immature by backpedaling and assuming things based off my doubt. All of which I've admitted to and admit that I shouldn't have done or said in the first place.

"Stay down." Really? That's just immature. I admitted to making a mistake so just let it go already.

I didn't know that he was such an esteemed figure on NS and apparently has at least 3 guard dogs wherever he goes to jump on somebody if they look at him wrong.

"Stay down. x2" Are you done now?

[Bearon]

Ok so 600,000 people. There are around 300,000,000 people in the US. That's 0.2% of the population then. Let's say that there are around 12 million people that have been homeless at some point or are currently homeless. ( If that numbers way off sorry but I am just guesstimating currently. *Waits for somebody to comment on how guesstimating isn't a real word* ) That would be approximately 4% of the population. I'm guessing that there are around 250,000 active nations on nation states which is a political simulator game that yes I don't think people who were formerly homeless or are currently homeless are likely going to play. Aside from that there's just the fact that most of the NS population ( myself included ) are below the age of 18. Now I honestly have no idea what the stats are in my head for the likelihood of somebody claiming they were once or are currently homeless being true but I don't think the odds are good.

Honestly I've never met a homeless person and gotten to know them personally but I'm assuming somebody who went through those circumstances and survived would simply not care about a site like this thinking themselves above it or being put off by the amount of younger members here and in general it just being hard to find if they're not actively looking for a game like this. For people who are currently homeless I just don't think they'd be on here when they have the kinds of problems that are associated with homelessness to deal with.

Classist? Don't get me wrong I want for little since I have a family that I love, my mom makes excellent meals and the internet provides limitless entertainment but my Dad is the only one who works and he's a teacher. We never go out to eat, only go to the cheap theaters, only get our books through the library, me and my sisters ( *waits for comment about how its my sisters and I* ) don't have the newest iProduct and we entertain ourselves through playing soccer and basketball. I may not know what it's like to be homeless and I may be doubtful about people actually having experienced it but I in no way look down on anybody who's been homeless or think they're any stupider because of it.

Your assumptions are still classist. Why would someone who had been homeless not desire or seek out entertainment of this sort? Why would someone who had been homeless be put off by younger folks (and while those in their teens or twenties comprise a majority of this site, I can think of a few players off of the top of my head who are much closer to my age than yours)?

Based off my experiences with other adult/older NS members who have in the past had a disdain for those members that were younger then them. Actually not only NS but simply all over the Internet in general. I guess you and me just travel different circles as I see far less older players here then on other sites though I have seen a few. Regardless NationStates isn't super popular or super well known in general.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Based off my experiences with other adult/older NS members who have in the past had a disdain for those members that were younger then them. Actually not only NS but simply all over the Internet in general. I guess you and me just travel different circles as I see far less older players here then on other sites though I have seen a few. Regardless NationStates isn't super popular or super well known in general.

With the sort of inane assumptions younger posters make and their notions about the world, don't be surprised if those of us in the older cohorts don't find your particular age cohort ideally experienced on what the subject of discussion is.

[Bearon]

Based off my experiences with other adult/older NS members who have in the past had a disdain for those members that were younger then them. Actually not only NS but simply all over the Internet in general. I guess you and me just travel different circles as I see far less older players here then on other sites though I have seen a few. Regardless NationStates isn't super popular or super well known in general.

With the sort of inane assumptions younger posters make and their notions about the world, don't be surprised if those of us in the older cohorts don't find your particular age cohort ideally experienced on what the subject of discussion is.

To be honest I didn't really come to discuss as I'm not likely to change my views simply because of a debate. I was bored and I wanted to pick apart somebody's post to entertain myself while I waited for my RP to move along and I simply chose the wrong guy to do it on or more likely the wrong thing to do to entertain myself while I was waiting. I could simply stop responding to this thread but I'd feel like a jackass if I just left it like that.

Edit: And I wanted to add it wasn't to insult anybody or be a troll because I could've done that far easier with posts that took far less effort I simply did it in a teasing way and when I was confronted with somebody's who actually had experienced the things they were talking about I was embarrassed and sort of annoyed so I backpedalled and acted like I was right. I'm sorry for that and my intention in the first place was not to be malicious.

[Cannot think of a name]

You get quite a bit of enjoyment at finding nearly every way in the English language to call me stupid don't you.

I'm calling your arguments stupid. Whether or not you are stupid is not in my purview nor is it something I'm qualified to evaluate just from a handful of forum posts. Plus I just don't care.

[Bearon]

You get quite a bit of enjoyment at finding nearly every way in the English language to call me stupid don't you.

I'm calling your arguments stupid. Whether or not you are stupid is not in my purview nor is it something I'm qualified to evaluate just from a handful of forum posts. Plus I just don't care.

Well I've admitted that I assumed and acted like I was right because I was surprised and embarrassed by Yum's response. I apologized. Have you had your fill?

[Infected Mushroom]

i think society is instinctively suspicious of anyone who is satisfied with his life and says ''In my own opinion I consider my life to be very successful'' if they aren't overflowing with millions of dollars...

this is very sad though

[Tagmatium]

I don't do what I do for a living because of the money - I wouldn't have taken a £4000 pay cut from quitting my old job to do the one I currently do otherwise.

Admittedly, I'm now earning "only" £1,500 less than I used to earn now, due to promotions and pay increases.

[Infected Mushroom]

I don't do what I do for a living because of the money - I wouldn't have taken a £4000 pay cut from quitting my old job to do the one I currently do otherwise.

Admittedly, I'm now earning "only" £1,500 less than I used to earn now, due to promotions and pay increases.

I see...

what kind of work do you like?

[Dakini]

Yeah, I got that at school. Also toss "class" and "ability" in there as well though. Plus actually interacting with people in real life, which gives a much better impression of how people live than just interacting with them online. While the city I'm from is particularly diverse, I doubt it's that exceptional.


Which one was that?


Yes. That's the problem with run sentences that contain multiple ideas. There are a few different interpretations of the sentence in question depending exactly how you parse it. The absence of appropriate punctuation in the sentence does not tell the reader what was actually intended.


You're a high school student with crappy grammar. If your sentence composition was better, you could perhaps communicate your ideas more effectively and with less ambiguity.


Now who needs to improve their communication skills? (Also, that's another run on sentence.)

I know Yums isn't homeless, that's why I never said he was presently homeless. I have interacted with people on other message boards who were homeless and accessing the internet from a public library. That's unrelated to anyone here except to make your initial claim that someone couldn't have ever been homeless because they're on the internet now even more stupid than it was (since even currently homeless people can and do frequent message boards). Apparently you also missed Yums's post about the abundance of time to kill while homeless while you were busy writing his life's story for him.

Maybe but then again I speak with people during their free time and when they want to actually spend time communicating while at school it's sort of forced interaction. Yes I've been to school and I know what it's like and I never felt comfortable in that sort of environment.

Because clearly I only hung out with people I met at school during classes and did not also eat lunch with them, go to the arcade with them after school or go to their houses. Nope. It was all forced interaction.

I can't remember exactly what Yum said but something about when your homeless money means different things to you.

That's not a question.

I think you can assume what I mean and if you get it wrong I can correct you. I'm not going to change the way I've been writing simply because you can't understand it.

So you will not conform your writing style to the standards that most people hold for effective communication. Then you're going to act like it's a failing on my part instead of your own inability to communicate effectively that's holding the conversation back?

Perhaps but then again this conversation isn't really important enough for me to consider doing that.

I assume you couldn't understand that sentence either since you didn't address the point and only stated that it was a run on sentence.

No, I did address the point. More accurately, I addressed the myriad of things that seemed to be points you were attempting to make in your run on sentence.

I agree that it is plausible homeless people do go on the internet but I'm skeptical when somebody claims they were formerly homeless or currently homeless on a political simulator site. Is it possible? Of course. Is it likely? Not really. Will I believe it? Not without proof. Have I learned not to voice these doubts because apparently 20 people will jump in to tell me what a prick I am and how I have terrible grammar? Yes.

You acting like a clueless prick has absolutely nothing to do with your terrible grammar. Yums doesn't owe you proof. Besides, what proof would you accept? A selfie? Tax records stating zero income for a few years (though I've met people without incomes who are not homeless)?

[Genivaria]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=free+blog+hosting+services

this is a discussion question/thread

And what exactly is there to discuss?

[Bearon]

Maybe but then again I speak with people during their free time and when they want to actually spend time communicating while at school it's sort of forced interaction. Yes I've been to school and I know what it's like and I never felt comfortable in that sort of environment.

Because clearly I only hung out with people I met at school during classes and did not also eat lunch with them, go to the arcade with them after school or go to their houses. Nope. It was all forced interaction.

I can't remember exactly what Yum said but something about when your homeless money means different things to you.

That's not a question.

I think you can assume what I mean and if you get it wrong I can correct you. I'm not going to change the way I've been writing simply because you can't understand it.

So you will not conform your writing style to the standards that most people hold for effective communication and then you're going to act like it's a failing on my part instead of your own inability to communicate that's holding the conversation back?

Perhaps but then again this conversation isn't really important enough for me to consider doing that.

I assume you couldn't understand that sentence either since you didn't address the point and only stated that it was a run on sentence.

No, I did address the point. More accurately, I addressed the myriad of things that seemed to be points you were attempting to make in your run on sentence.

I agree that it is plausible homeless people do go on the internet but I'm skeptical when somebody claims they were formerly homeless or currently homeless on a political simulator site. Is it possible? Of course. Is it likely? Not really. Will I believe it? Not without proof. Have I learned not to voice these doubts because apparently 20 people will jump in to tell me what a prick I am and how I have terrible grammar? Yes.

You acting like a clueless prick has absolutely nothing to do with your terrible grammar. Yums doesn't owe you proof. Besides, what proof would you accept? A selfie? Tax records stating zero income for a few years (though I've met people without incomes who are not homeless)?

K.

[Infected Mushroom]

this is a discussion question/thread

And what exactly is there to discuss?

to what extent you agree with/disagree with the of-heard maxim ''It's All About Money'' or ''Life is mostly about money'' (and what qualifications you have about those statements)

also, what is the value of money to you personally for you lifestyle and what do you recommend its role should be for others

deep, extremely thought-provoking, philosophical discussions of the highest intellectual caliber

exactly what NSG was custom-built for

[United Earthlings]

Until we as human societies master "Communism" in it's purest form, I would say that statement is mostly true, if but for the use of more precise wording.

That being stated, seeing as I've been on an economics binge as of late, I propose the following statement which better reflects the sentimentality of that statement.

"It's All About the Capital"

To further elaborate, life is not priceless or valueless, each life can be given it's own quantitative value.

Where disagreements arise is where the values lie.

[Infected Mushroom]

Until we as human societies master "Communism" in it's purest form, I would say that statement is mostly true, if but for the use of more precise wording.

That being stated, seeing as I've been on an economics binge as of late, I propose the following statement which better reflects the sentimentality of that statement.

"It's All About the Capital"

To further elaborate, life is not priceless or valueless, each life can be given it's own quantitative value.

Where disagreements arise is where the values lie.

so capital includes factories and machinery for example?

[Tagmatium]

I don't do what I do for a living because of the money - I wouldn't have taken a £4000 pay cut from quitting my old job to do the one I currently do otherwise.

Admittedly, I'm now earning "only" £1,500 less than I used to earn now, due to promotions and pay increases.

I see...

what kind of work do you like?

I used to work writing copy for websites, and other shit related to the design of the websites, albeit not the actual designing of sites.

[Infected Mushroom]

I see...

what kind of work do you like?

I used to work writing copy for websites, and other shit related to the design of the websites, albeit not the actual designing of sites.

I see...

[Tagmatium]

I used to work writing copy for websites, and other shit related to the design of the websites, albeit not the actual designing of sites.

I see...

It was, admittedly, more the company that the actual work.

They increased targets and pressures, eventually making it an unpleasant place to work.

But the company in question was haemorrhaging cash and eventually got taken over by the banks, so they can go fuck themselves.

I quit and went onto pastures new, one that doesn't (usually) involve dealing with members of the public on a daily basis.

[Infected Mushroom]

I see...

It was, admittedly, more the company that the actual work.

They increased targets and pressures, eventually making it an unpleasant place to work.

But the company in question was haemorrhaging cash and eventually got taken over by the banks, so they can go fuck themselves.

I quit and went onto pastures new, one that doesn't (usually) involve dealing with members of the public on a daily basis.

I see...

[Tagmatium]

It was, admittedly, more the company that the actual work.

They increased targets and pressures, eventually making it an unpleasant place to work.

But the company in question was haemorrhaging cash and eventually got taken over by the banks, so they can go fuck themselves.

I quit and went onto pastures new, one that doesn't (usually) involve dealing with members of the public on a daily basis.

I see...

Quite so, quite so.

Indeed.

[United Earthlings]

so capital includes factories and machinery for example?

Yes, by extension. They are what's known as Capital Assets or Investments in general economics.

Might be time to change the thread title now.