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Do you believe in an afterlife?

Yes
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42%
No
72
41%
I'm not sure
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17%
 
Total votes : 176

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Desperate Measures
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Postby Desperate Measures » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:15 pm

Uxupox wrote:Hopefully the afterlife is the epitome of perfection.

Perfection is boring.
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Postby Anarkhist Kyrylashka » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:15 pm

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Anarkhist Kyrylashka wrote:Daeth? What's Daeth? Did you mispell "death," or "Daesh?"

Handy tip: When trying to act like a smart ass by pointing out someone's spelling mistakes, do not make some yourself.

...Shit. I need to work on my sarcasm.
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Flenua
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Postby Flenua » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:16 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:*Smacks with Ruyi Jingu Bang*

No. Bad Flenua.

What did I do wrong?

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Conscentia
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Postby Conscentia » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:17 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:
Uxupox wrote:Hopefully the afterlife is the epitome of perfection.

Perfection is boring.

I'd say that boringness is an imperfection, and thus by definition perfection cannot be boring.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:17 pm

Flenua wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:*Smacks with Ruyi Jingu Bang*

No. Bad Flenua.

What did I do wrong?

Failed to appreciate irony.
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Postby Flenua » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:18 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:Perfection is boring.

I'd say that boringness is an imperfection, and thus by definition perfection cannot be boring.

"Perfection" doesn't objectively exist anyway.

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Postby Uxupox » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:18 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Uxupox wrote:Hopefully the afterlife is the epitome of perfection.

Audrey Hepburn?


Nope

Desperate Measures wrote:
Uxupox wrote:Hopefully the afterlife is the epitome of perfection.

Perfection is boring.


How would you know that perfection is boring?
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Flenua
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Postby Flenua » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:18 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Flenua wrote:What did I do wrong?

Failed to appreciate irony.

What irony???

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Conscentia
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Postby Conscentia » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:19 pm

Flenua wrote:
Conscentia wrote:I'd say that boringness is an imperfection, and thus by definition perfection cannot be boring.

"Perfection" doesn't objectively exist anyway.

That is true.
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Trevor Phillip Enterprises
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Postby Trevor Phillip Enterprises » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:19 pm

Flenua wrote:
Conscentia wrote:I'd say that boringness is an imperfection, and thus by definition perfection cannot be boring.

"Perfection" doesn't objectively exist anyway.

Yes it does. I am the embodiment of perfection.

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Postby Flenua » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:21 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Flenua wrote:"Perfection" doesn't objectively exist anyway.

That is true... unless you're someone who's easily pleased.

I said "objectively".
-_-


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Anarkhist Kyrylashka
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Postby Anarkhist Kyrylashka » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:22 pm

Trevor Phillip Enterprises wrote:
Flenua wrote:"Perfection" doesn't objectively exist anyway.

Yes it does. I am the embodiment of perfection.

Aren't you America done horribly, horribly wrong?
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Trevor Phillip Enterprises
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Postby Trevor Phillip Enterprises » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:23 pm

Anarkhist Kyrylashka wrote:
Trevor Phillip Enterprises wrote:Yes it does. I am the embodiment of perfection.

Aren't you America done horribly, horribly wrong?

Can't we crossed out that word, it was a mistake some NOT perfect people made when we asked them to describe us.

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Postby Heritick Farmland » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:38 pm

Uxupox wrote:Hopefully the afterlife is the epitome of perfection.


I believe the best is saved for last. We believe that death is the end because all of those that have died before us are never seen in the flesh again. It sure seems final and it is painful to lose those you love. What is perhaps saved for last is the knowledge, the realization that it isn't the last cognitive experience, instead just the contrary. You may find out that all those you saw die aren't in non-existence. Maybe some are gone for a later to be known reason, but most passed through, not away. The beginning of the afterlife is probably quite exciting for a long (I want to say time) interval. But it may not be time passing, just dark matter. Eventually like living, the after life evolves into the before life and perhaps you will recycle through again, if there isn't a better destination. Religions call it re-incarnation or heaven.
I don't expect angels with harps though, not at all. Our conception of all of these possibilities are almost surely completely inadequate. Finally, energy cannot be destroyed, only transformed.
I believe we are that stardust energy from the beginning of time and possibly last until the final stars burn out.

Now, I am going to bed and to try and achieve lucid dream status, lol.

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Postby Desperate Measures » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:58 pm

Flenua wrote:
Conscentia wrote:I'd say that boringness is an imperfection, and thus by definition perfection cannot be boring.

"Perfection" doesn't objectively exist anyway.

Flaws are interesting and help us improve, which makes our brains all happy with the thinking and the doing and the brain stuff.
"My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music."
- Vladimir Nabokov US (1899 - 1977)
Also, me.
“Man has such a predilection for systems and abstract deductions that he is ready to distort the truth intentionally, he is ready to deny the evidence of his senses only to justify his logic”
- Fyodor Dostoyevsky Russian Novelist and Writer, 1821-1881
"All Clock Faces Are Wrong." - Gene Ray, Prophet(?) http://www.timecube.com
A simplified maxim on the subject states "An atheist would say, 'I don't believe God exists'; an agnostic would say, 'I don't know whether or not God exists'; and an ignostic would say, 'I don't know what you mean when you say, "God exists" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:07 pm

Heritick Farmland wrote:
Uxupox wrote:Hopefully the afterlife is the epitome of perfection.


I believe the best is saved for last. We believe that death is the end because all of those that have died before us are never seen in the flesh again. It sure seems final and it is painful to lose those you love. What is perhaps saved for last is the knowledge, the realization that it isn't the last cognitive experience, instead just the contrary. You may find out that all those you saw die aren't in non-existence. Maybe some are gone for a later to be known reason, but most passed through, not away. The beginning of the afterlife is probably quite exciting for a long (I want to say time) interval. But it may not be time passing, just dark matter. Eventually like living, the after life evolves into the before life and perhaps you will recycle through again, if there isn't a better destination. Religions call it re-incarnation or heaven.
I don't expect angels with harps though, not at all. Our conception of all of these possibilities are almost surely completely inadequate. Finally, energy cannot be destroyed, only transformed.
I believe we are that stardust energy from the beginning of time and possibly last until the final stars burn out.

Now, I am going to bed and to try and achieve lucid dream status, lol.

I'm not entirely sure why people keep saying that energy can't be destroyed as if it's relevant. It's technically true, but it can also be rendered effectively useless, and even that's pointless. The data that makes us us is physically stored in our brains. When that goes, we go, and we don't know how to turn it back on past a certain point.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:37 am

Since antiquity, religion has been used to maintain order and keep the people from revolting and attempting to improve their lives by claiming they will be rewarded in an eternal afterlife if they behave well (specifically, if they do what their authoritarian rulers say).

Despite the lack of evidence of an afterlife, most accepted this belief, knowing they may as well bet on it considering they didn't have any way of really improving their worldly lives. How many of you would risk your life in a revolution?

Reinforcing the tie between a pleasant afterlife and obedience through the concepts of god-kings and later divine right, early authoritarians maintained control for the most part. The afterlife became a normal part of religious dogma. Democracies arose and the afterlife followed into its society as many considered it a no brainer. Since birth they had been taught this dogma. Why suddenly reject it?

The Enlightenment marked the beginning of unprecedentedly innovative thought, including deism and later atheism. Intellectual leaders realized the tie between order and religion. Many Founding Fathers were atheist, but recognizing the importance of religion to American society, they decided that faith should be protected.

More radical thinkers took different stances. Marx famously wrote "religion is the opiate of the masses," believing it a collection of lies that propelled capitalist exploitation; what had saved the kings and queens now protected worker resistance to low wages, long hours, and dangerous conditions.

I personally take the latter stance. While I do not disrespect faithful people for their devoutness, neither do I agree with their beliefs, including those of an afterlife. The "evidence" of NDEs does not stand against the possibility of a natural biochemical or bioelectrical reaction to failure in brain function. I find it unreasonable to assume there is an afterlife without hard facts, which cannot be obtained because any eyewitnesses would have to die (not just experience a NDE, for realsies).
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:51 am

You can believe whatever you want, I'm just saying that I believe religion is incorrect, misleading or misled, and useless to the individual and only useful to the collective because of how much it has integrated itself into society.
And no, you do not have to be religious in order to be a moral person (just to keep fundamentalists in check, not an attack on religion).
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Postby Distruzio » Sat Feb 14, 2015 1:06 am

I don't care.

I beg for a good standing every night during evening prayers but I honestly can't bring myself to care for one. I simply don't believe I'll merit it. So I live my life according to the doctrines of the Church as best I can so I won't be such a prick. If that merits a good account before the awesome judgement seat of Christ, then so be it. If I fail to measure up, so be it. The final decision isn't in my hands. I'll get my just reward either way. So I don't worry about the afterlife.
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Postby -Ebola- » Sat Feb 14, 2015 1:22 am

I don't believe in an afterlife.

The reason different people have similar experiences during near-death experiences is because they have similar biology. It is a product of what is going on in their brain, and many characteristics of the brain are the same from one person to another.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Feb 14, 2015 1:26 am

-Ebola- wrote:I don't believe in an afterlife.

I think you'd probably be disqualified, anyways. Afterlife implies that one first needs to have a life.
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Postby -Ebola- » Sat Feb 14, 2015 1:29 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:
-Ebola- wrote:I don't believe in an afterlife.

I think you'd probably be disqualified, anyways. Afterlife implies that one first needs to have a life.


I do have a life.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Feb 14, 2015 1:30 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:
-Ebola- wrote:I don't believe in an afterlife.

I think you'd probably be disqualified, anyways. Afterlife implies that one first needs to have a life.

Hey now, the debate on whether or not viruses qualify as life is still contentious. There's no need to put them down like that.
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